Power Cosmic vs. Odin Force

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Originally posted by janus77
Odin can't make "another Thor", he never made the first one alone so how would he do it in the above instances.

Thor has some of his mother's mojo, which empowers him to some level or other (Chaos Wars, the prayer/spark amp thing).

And none of the guys listed are on the same level as Thor. Unless you believe Thor would be trounced as easily as BRB was by Surfer (when Surfer is less charitable than usual).

You are wrong by far, All the ones listed are all equal to Thor in power,

Thor however is more skilled then the others ans his will power is what makes him come up on top.

The enchantment of the hammers makes them "Thor"

So yes Odin can make other Thors,

Originally posted by Sundipped
IHe's a being who's skyfather level............

Blood pressure............reaching critical mass..........😠

with the potential to be borderline abstract.

Blood pressure.....stabilizing.......😎

Ron doesn't have to be the one to work him.

ANYONE, except Bendis (yes even Hickman), would do. I mean no one could do a worse job than Lackey. Good Lord that guy sucked.

Originally posted by zopzop

Blood pressure............reaching critical mass..........😠

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Blood pressure.....stabilizing.......😎

ANYONE, except Bendis (yes even Hickman), would do. I mean no one could do a worse job than Lackey. Good Lord that guy sucked. [/B]


What do you mean? You didn't enjoy Morg calling silver surfer a sissy?

Originally posted by zopzop
Shut up 🙁

I don't know why anybody would even like the character? You and sundipped are the only two guys I've ever met that like the character. Why?

Originally posted by abhilegend
What do you mean? You didn't enjoy Morg calling silver surfer a sissy?

LOL, that's not even the worst of it. He called Tyrant "butt face" and talked about "icing" aka killing him. Lackey must have been on crack when he wrote that SS arc.
Originally posted by abhilegend
I don't know why anybody would even like the character? You and sundipped are the only two guys I've ever met that like the character. Why?

Because he's awesome. Also I think Quan and like 2 or 3 other forum members are fans.

Originally posted by zopzop
LOL, that's not even the worst of it. He called Tyrant "butt face" and talked about "icing" aka killing him. Lackey must have been on crack when he wrote that SS arc.

Because he's awesome. Also I think Quan and like 2 or 3 other forum members are fans.


Ah yes, that was quite painful to read.

Tyrant was many thing, awesome wasn't one of them. They aren't fans of character, just his power level.

A little late than never, got a bit too busy during the holiday and vacations. - Sorry Abhi but do enjoy a bit of our exchange retort.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Are you ****ing kidding me? How are they the same thing? Surfer asked a question and it remained unanswered.

That's it. Who the **** cares? Its a what if universe, once it was told, its over.


The question being referred to is his Universe, The same Universe being discussed but you are right, who the **** cares? I am not dis-agreeing regarding, it not being a "what if Universe/ world " however what i am trying to point out is that this arc interconnected to 616 Universe therefore becoming canon to 616 Surfer.

Yes the story was over after, Unilord Surfer came out of the rift and NOT when he ask about his Universe and was responded by the narrator that " it remains to be told" - which means it still to be written - "The same Universe we are discussing".

And it has nothing that implies it was another silver surfer.

So a Silver streak of light, a silver comet that came out of the rift to 616 Universe, the same rift the Unilord Surfer traveled to return to 616 Universe, and in the same story arc does in no way suggest its not interconnected/ the same figure.??? That's absurd.

That would be like me saying this is not Superman.


Its just another distress signal.

Was the first distress signal delivered this way?? Was it delivered @ multiple light speed in a blazing silver fire? Let me answer that, NO. So why would you believed or say its a distress signal??? I just can't understand how you've come to this conclusion, it just does not make any sense.
Nice conspiracy theory Roldz, now where is your proof that it was silver surfer to begin with?

The proof is depicted in the art. /\ /\ /\

How about you? Where is your proof that what came out of the rift is another distress signal?

So? Him re-configuring doesn't means he amped himself.

What exactly justify for you as an AMP?
No he didn't. The upgrade was lost, case closed.

Got any proof of that? how was it lost?
And why not? He is merged with another silver surfer who in your words is even more poweful than him. By all logic he should be twice as much powerful.

Fine! If you say so. Im OK with that, just you remember that came from you not me. 😆
Nope, not a single comparison was made that he was more powerful than before.

Does everything have to be describe in detailed wording to make a comparison? There is ample of feat after the Unilord Saga like i have mentioned that clearly made him better than he was after this upgrade. An example: the capacity to absorb energy; ie. he went nuts when he tried to absorb so much energy during Infinity War but was fine during Unilord run after his upgrade.
I enjoy your desperation here. Just one small proof roldz, just one that the silver light was silver surfer. Not hard for someone like you, right?

Your actually looking more desperate here. I give you reason and proof as to why i believed the silver light, silver fire, silver comet was The Silver Surfer. Vice Versa, What is your proof that it was not?

Originally posted by Ambient
A little late than never, got a bit too busy during the holiday and vacations. - Sorry Abhi but do enjoy a bit of our exchange retort.
I experienced many thing in our retort, enjoyment wasn't one of them though.


The question being referred to is his Universe, The same Universe being discussed but you are right, who the **** cares? I am not dis-agreeing regarding, it not being a "what if Universe/ world " however what i am trying to point out is that this arc interconnected to 616 Universe therefore becoming canon to 616 Surfer.
No, there isn't. There isn't a single proof of that despite all your speculations.

Yes the story was over after, Unilord Surfer came out of the rift and NOT when he ask about his Universe and was responded by the narrator that " it remains to be told" - which means it still to be written - "The same Universe we are discussing".
No, it wasn't. Post the scan where "it remains to be told" was stated BTW.

So a Silver streak of light, a silver comet that came out of the rift to 616 Universe, the same rift the Unilord Surfer traveled to return to 616 Universe, and in the same story arc does in no way suggest its not interconnected/ the same figure.???
Yes, the distress code was silverish too.
That's absurd.
No, your theory/speculation is. Surfer got merged with another surfer without any mention at all? Rubbish.

That would be like me saying this is not Superman.

Superman was specified there bro. You know what the crazy part is? Superman has indeed been split into two supermen each with superman's powers and then merged back. Supergirl too.

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/Supergirl_Respect/onlyone.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/Supergirl_Respect/onlyone2.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/Supergirl_Respect/onlyone3.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/Supergirl_Respect/onlyone4.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc141/Supergirl_Respect/onlyone5.jpg

Does that mean they are twice as powerful as a single superman or supergirl now? Funny logic.

Was the first distress signal delivered this way??
Yes.
Was it delivered @ multiple light speed in a blazing silver fire?
Yes.
Let me answer that, NO. So why would you believed or say its a distress signal??? I just can't understand how you've come to this conclusion, it just does not make any sense.
It makes better sense than your theory though.

The proof is depicted in the art. /\ /\ /\
Nope.

How about you? Where is your proof that what came out of the rift is another distress signal?
Surfer's muttering of 101.

What exactly justify for you as an AMP?
Explicitly stated to be more powerful than ever.

Got any proof of that? how was it lost?
Surfer dispersed it himself.

Fine! If you say so. Im OK with that, just you remember that came from you not me. 😆
Sarcasm isn't your forte. Superman would be several times more powerful each time he gets split and merged back by black kryptonite.

Does everything have to be describe in detailed wording to make a comparison?
There must be a single statement or implication to validate something as bizarre as merging two surfers.
There is ample of feat after the Unilord Saga like i have mentioned that clearly made him better than he was after this upgrade. An example: the capacity to absorb energy; ie. he went nuts when he tried to absorb so much energy during Infinity War but was fine during Unilord run after his upgrade.
That's not a proof of an upgrade. Even before Unilord saga, he absorbed enough energy to change sun from red to yellow. Characters vary in their feats like those.

Your actually looking more desperate here.
Hahahaha. You want me to believe Surfer gets the feats of an amped surfer from a what if because there was a silver light even though the amp that made surfer make that feat was gone? You need some concrete proof.
I give you reason and proof as to why i believed the silver light, silver fire, silver comet was The Silver Surfer. Vice Versa, What is your proof that it was not?
You didn't give shit. Your desperation is laughable.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I experienced many thing in our retort, enjoyment wasn't one of them though.

At least one of us is enjoying it and one who enjoy is less likely to be desperate, "desperate" a word u seemed to repeatedly say towards someone u argue against. Wonders the truth of it 😆
No, there isn't. There isn't a single proof of that despite all your speculations.

Lol. Didn't know u blind too dude, cause there is plenty evidence on it made direct from the art. Rather than keep repeating no proof, no proof why don't u just counter my argument with some backing.
No, it wasn't. Post the scan where "it remains to be told" was stated BTW.
unanswered I meant. But really who cares, the part where he was shown a glimpse of his universe. You have to remember the Okkapa are psyche beings. He was in the rift why would he be in the unilord universe in that instant? What matters is that, this was not the end of the arc and u can't make decision base on an unfinished story to be told.
Yes, the distress code was silverish too.

😱 What? Did it also come at multiple light speed and knock them out unconscious when they received it. Whose desperate again?
Superman was specified there bro. You know what the crazy part is? Superman has indeed been split into two supermen each with superman's powers and then merged back. Supergirl too. http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/...ect/onlyone.jpg http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/...ct/onlyone2.jpg http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/...ct/onlyone3.jpg http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/...ct/onlyone4.jpg http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/...ct/onlyone5.jpg

Yeah! But I'm just referring to that streak of red blue light, that was not specified as Superman. As far as I can tell, could be just a distress signal. That just sound stupid right? It's just exactly how it sounds like in your reference to the silver comet/ fire/ light coming out of the rift being referred to at the end of the Unilord saga. If your looking for specification, this was stated as silver surfer when he entered in the rift. Also might I add that there is absolutely no hint bearing in any of the arc that suggest another distress/ message being sent to 616? Like I said I'm quite confuse as to your conclusion to that finding, might help if you explain why u think it this way?
Yes

Proof? Scan? Evidence?
Yes

Again Proof? Scan? Evidence? 😆
It makes better sense than your theory though

Theory? Nice try dude. It's fact as provided proof thru the art it's depicted from and the flow of event in the story. You have non but speculation on your part - clear desperate attempt in disallow - ing this event on Surfer? There is clear reason as to why 😆 .
Surfer's muttering of 101.

😆 😂 your the one who stated that not me.
Surfer dispersed it himself.

The energy he absorb from the Unilord, is what he disperse, not the upgrade.
There must be a single statement or implication to validate something as bizarre as merging two surfers

Was there a single statement in the arc, the merging of the several surfer parts to the local beings that became the surfers of that Universe? No. Was there a single statement in the arc of the merging of grandmaster fey to Norrin rad? No. was there a single statement of the merging of the Unilord and Surfer? No. Did the art validate the merging of all this specified event in the story? He'll yes. The art and flow of the story unfolding is what validated of "merging" in this arc. It does not have to be a statement that can validate thing, the art is foremost in validating an event.
That's not a proof of an upgrade. Even before Unilord saga, he absorbed enough energy to change sun from red to yellow. Characters vary in their feats like those.

What? When? Issue #?
Hahahaha. You want me to believe Surfer gets the feats of an amped surfer from a what if because there was a silver light even though the amp that made surfer make that feat was gone? You need some concrete proof.
Yes to the point where the silver light which sounded more grand in the issue merged with 616 surfer. The energy he release in the rift is from the ones he absorbs from Unilord and not the upgrade.

Dude! Don't pretend to be illiterate, I know u can read. I've given you my proof back by the art it's depicted. Now, I ask u to present your proof to counter my argument?

You didn't give shit. Your desperation is laughable.

😆 😆 come on you can do better than that. Your disgruntled cause u have no comeback to my point? If u have nothing to say, just say it so and I'll stop making you looking way more bad. I mean I am genuine - ly feeling sorry for the ownage you've been receiving in the threads I've read so far this morning. Really 😂

Originally posted by janus77
Odin can't make "another Thor", he never made the first one alone so how would he do it in the above instances.

Thor has some of his mother's mojo, which empowers him to some level or other (Chaos Wars, the prayer/spark amp thing).

And none of the guys listed are on the same level as Thor. Unless you believe Thor would be trounced as easily as BRB was by Surfer (when Surfer is less charitable than usual).

Well, I think Surfer would win over either, but Bill's taken a ton more punishment then what Surfer did to him. Blood and Thunder being a good example, where Bill took beating after beating, and kept coming, while Surfer went down relatively easily. Or Stormbreaker, when he was grappling amped up Stardust with his bare hands, and survived being squashed like a bug by Galactus himself...

Power Cosmic wins, its basically the makeup of all that is.

Originally posted by Ambient
At least one of us is enjoying it and one who enjoy is less likely to be desperate, "desperate" a word u seemed to repeatedly say towards someone u argue against. Wonders the truth of it 😆
I only experienced pity for your desperation.

Lol. Didn't know u blind too dude, cause there is plenty evidence on it made direct from the art. Rather than keep repeating no proof, no proof why don't u just counter my argument with some backing.
Haha, "U blind"? What is this, some kind of kiddie show? Why don't you post the scan? There is no proof in the art and art is seldom a trustworthy proof in comics.
unanswered I meant. But really who cares, the part where he was shown a glimpse of his universe. You have to remember the Okkapa are psyche beings. He was in the rift why would he be in the unilord universe in that instant? What matters is that, this was not the end of the arc and u can't make decision base on an unfinished story to be told.
So there is no "the story of the universe is yet to be told?" Gotcha. He wasn't in the rift, he was back in the unilord universe.

😱 What? Did it also come at multiple light speed and knock them out unconscious when they received it. Whose desperate again?
Yeah, sure. he distress signal crossed the whole universe and it KTFO surfer.

Yeah! But I'm just referring to that streak of red blue light, that was not specified as Superman.
When you turn over the page, it was. Was surfer ever stated to be that light? Ever.
As far as I can tell, could be just a distress signal. That just sound stupid right? It's just exactly how it sounds like in your reference to the silver comet/ fire/ light coming out of the rift being referred to at the end of the Unilord saga. If your looking for specification, this was stated as silver surfer when he entered in the rift. Also might I add that there is absolutely no hint bearing in any of the arc that suggest another distress/ message being sent to 616? Like I said I'm quite confuse as to your conclusion to that finding, might help if you explain why u think it this way?
Your garbled nonsense aside, that silver light was never stated to be silver surfer and it acted exactly like the previous distress signal.

Proof? Scan? Evidence?

Again Proof? Scan? Evidence?

Already posted that.

Theory? Nice try dude.
I'm not even trying dude.
It's fact as provided proof thru the art it's depicted from and the flow of event in the story.
No, its not. You just posted a scan of a distress signal and expect us to believe it was an alternate surfer without any mention? **** off.
You have non but speculation on your part - clear desperate attempt in disallow - ing this event on Surfer? There is clear reason as to why
I have every proof dude, I'm not the one laughing to sound confident here.
your the one who stated that not me.
And you're daft too now?

The energy he absorb from the Unilord, is what he disperse, not the upgrade.
Nope, the blackbody upgrade was dispersed too.

Was there a single statement in the arc, the merging of the several surfer parts to the local beings that became the surfers of that Universe? No.
Yes, there was.
Was there a single statement in the arc of the merging of grandmaster fey to Norrin rad? No. was there a single statement of the merging of the Unilord and Surfer? No.
There was always an implication of what is happening. You haven't read the story I presume.
Did the art validate the merging of all this specified event in the story? He'll yes.
Hell no. A silvery light acting like a distress signal isn't silver surfer.
The art and flow of the story unfolding is what validated of "merging" in this arc. It does not have to be a statement that can validate thing, the art is foremost in validating an event.
Nope, just figment of your imagination.
What? When? Issue #?
Do you honestly read silver surfer? Silver Surfer 103.
Yes to the point where the silver light which sounded more grand in the issue merged with 616 surfer.
Distress signal.
The energy he release in the rift is from the ones he absorbs from Unilord and not the upgrade.
He released all the energies he absorbed including the upgrade.

Dude! Don't pretend to be illiterate, I know u can read. I've given you my proof back by the art it's depicted. Now, I ask u to present your proof to counter my argument?
You've given nothing but your speculation. How does one read art BTW? I have provided plenty of proof already.

come on you can do better than that. Your disgruntled cause u have no comeback to my point?
I'm mocking you dude. Its not being disgruntled.
If u have nothing to say, just say it so and I'll stop making you looking way more bad. I mean I am genuine - ly feeling sorry for the ownage you've been receiving in the threads I've read so far this morning. Really 😂
Me looking bad? Hahahahaha. Why are all the surfer fans so delusional?

Originally posted by abhilegend
I only experienced pity for your desperation.
Wonder's the real truth of those sentence? When its clear the force of desperation is strong in you. 😄
Haha, "U blind"? What is this, some kind of kiddie show? Why don't you post the scan? There is no proof in the art and art is seldom a trustworthy proof in comics.
quote:

Clearly you are blind!

Here the proof again:

Surfer entered the rift traveled a great distance within, while releasing the energies he acquired from the Unilord.

But just before making it, he was shown a glimpse of a Universe - his universe in the process of being created. Take note his question "My Universe".

Then the breach/ rift opened and Surfer (Unilord) came out in the form of a silver light/ comet/ fire. Also take note that this was the beginning story of the Universe Unilord Surfer glimpse while in the breach, as evident in the word narrated as prologue(beginning) to the question ask by him, yet to be told.

Farther telling of what has transpired when Unilord Surfer came out of the rift and completed the cycle by going in/ merging with 616 Surfer.

That clear enough for you.

How about your proof that Unilord Surfer never came out of the breach?

So there is no "the story of the universe is yet to be told?" Gotcha. He wasn't in the rift, he was back in the unilord universe

No there is still a story yet to be told "Surfers Universe" the beginning (prologue) stated in the scan below. After Unilord Surfer came out of the breach/ rift.

Why would he be in the Unilord Universe when he already traveled far inside the rift/ breach. What ever led him back to this Universe started in the scan above, it being the beginning to that story, evident by the narration as prologue to his question. What is relevant to me is the art depiction of Unilord Surfer coming out of the breach in the form of Silver fire/ comet/ light as proof to my argument.

Yeah, sure. he distress signal crossed the whole universe and it KTFO surfer.


Ironic and you talk about desperation ???
Where did it state or depicted in the art on the scans above that the distress signal was coming at multiple light speed or in the form of silver comet/ fire/ light and could knock being unconscious?? Here's the follow up to the page above. unconscious he was not.. Nice try 😆


When you turn over the page, it was. Was surfer ever stated to be that light? Ever.
quote:
When you turn back the page, was Surfer ever stated going in the rift? Yes. Was there any body else ever stated to go in the rift? No. So why conclude its something else other than Surfer coming out of the rift. when there was absolutely 110% that no one other than Surfer was inside the breach. How do you come to that conclusion? Where is your proof? at least an explanation?
Your garbled nonsense aside, that silver light was never stated to be silver surfer and it acted exactly like the previous distress signal.

Yes it was. It was stated and depicted in the art that it was Silver Surfer who entered the rift and no one else.

Where is your proof that it acted like a distress signal? If you meant the scan you provided. 😆 Its not withstanding. There is absolutely no significance similarity .

No, its not. You just posted a scan of a distress signal and expect us to believe it was an alternate surfer without any mention? **** off.

How do you come up to this conclusion?? you made no bases rebuttal to your proof? Quite 😆 😂
I have every proof dude, I'm not the one laughing to sound confident here

😆 You have none. I am quite confident and actually 😆 😂 at you, at least you got that right.
And you're daft too now?

You've gone from s toe peed to moo run. I say this because your actually owning yourself with your own stated argument. This quote is all you, never did i mention him to be twice as he was but rather you, so bravo. Homage to yourself.
Nope, the blackbody upgrade was dispersed too

😱 Proof? I know you got none.
here was always an implication of what is happening. You haven't read the story I presume.

Yes and this be the art. I say Yay!
Do you honestly read silver surfer? Silver Surfer 103.

Yes! I read but not for the purpose of finding ways to downplay his feats, as oppose to you perhaps.

And yes i do know of this. and if you meant the ways he excruciatingly absorbs the energy fire at him and then use it to rekindle a dying sun, this is not at limits he absorbs during infinity war @ Thanos behest. when he went mad and is absolutely far lesser than the energy acquired during the Unilord run after upgrade. That right there is the difference prior and after the upgrade.

Distress signal.

Sorry! Proof not withstanding as explained above.
You've given nothing but your speculation. How does one read art BTW? I have provided plenty of proof already.

Other than your distress signal - by the way quite lacking. you have none.

You have to be blind/ uneducated not to be able to read art and i know your none of those. Which is really quite confusing to be exact, I see no reasoning to some of your findings/ conclusion. At times im 😱 to the point/ counter your trying to make.

Me looking bad? Hahahahaha. Why are all the surfer fans so delusional?

Nah brah! Its the other way around, just you. I think everybody here agree. Yah one deluded freak.

So 500 different laughing smilies at different points? Man, you are so sad.

Originally posted by Ambient
How do you come up to this conclusion?? you made no bases rebuttal to your proof?
Totally did.

You have none. I am quite confident and actually at you, at least you got that right.
So I'm seeing it right now. You're trying so hard, I can practically see your tears in this reply.

You've gone from s toe peed to moo run.
Congrats, you've discovered your inner self now.
I say this because your actually owning yourself with your own stated argument. This quote is all you, never did i mention him to be twice as he was but rather you, so bravo. Homage to yourself.
Hah, "U am stupid, u ownd urself." Quite pathetic.

Proof? I know you got none.
Already posted.

Yes and this be the art. I say Yay!
Wut?

Yes! I read but not for the purpose of finding ways to downplay his feats, as oppose to you perhaps.
No, you do it to find random things to speculate upon.

And yes i do know of this. and if you meant the ways he excruciatingly absorbs the energy fire at him and then use it to rekindle a dying sun, this is not at limits he absorbs during infinity war @ Thanos behest.
Why? Changing the color of a sun and rekindling it requires far more power than destroying a ****ing moon.
when he went mad and is absolutely far lesser than the energy acquired during the Unilord run after upgrade. That right there is the difference prior and after the upgrade.
No it isn't. Surfer has several feats far lower than destroying a moon and getting killed after unilord saga.

Sorry! Proof not withstanding as explained above.
Hahaha, straight up deny the proof. Can I ask why?

Other than your distress signal - by the way quite lacking. you have none.
I have everything in control here kiddo.

You have to be blind/ uneducated not to be able to read art and i know your none of those. Which is really quite confusing to be exact, I see no reasoning to some of your findings/ conclusion. At times im 😱 to the point/ counter your trying to make.
Hahaha, you are just babbling incoherently at this point. Quite sad.

Nah brah! Its the other way around, just you. I think everybody here agree. Yah one deluded freak.
Going too far here, call me or anybody that again and I would report you. I'm being done with your incoherent babbling here. Either bring up a concrete proof or STFU.

Dude here let me try to help you out.

What proof/ explanations do you have that made you conclude that It was not the Unilord Surfer that came out of the breach?

As for silver comet coming out of breach, What made you think that this was a distress signal? By the way the scan you provided or proof is not sufficient enough as proof. Why because there was no similarities at all. It was not in the form of a huge Silver comet/ fire, it did not knock Surfer out unconscious and def. was not stated to be moving at multiple light speed. there was no mention of anything a distress signal remaining in the rift. meaning you need to find a diff. conclusion or proof.

Answering this 2 then we can have an educated debate rather than just mouthing of and going round in circle.

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Why? Changing the color of a sun and rekindling it requires far more power than destroying a ****ing moon.

Your missing the point. it was not the destructive force i was giving an example to the upgrade but rather the capacity to absorb energy.

ahaha, straight up deny the proof. Can I ask why?

Im not denying your proof but rather counter it with reason. why not do the same.

Your other post are basically rants. give me something i can respond, a valid counter argument coming from you to rebuttal the main points am trying put out.

Originally posted by Ambient
Dude here let me try to help you out.

What proof/ explanations do you have that made you conclude that It was not the Unilord Surfer that came out of the breach?

As for silver comet coming out of breach, What made you think that this was a distress signal? By the way the scan you provided or proof is not sufficient enough as proof. Why because there was no similarities at all. It was not in the form of a huge Silver comet/ fire, it did not knock Surfer out unconscious and def. was not stated to be moving at multiple light speed. there was no mention of anything a distress signal remaining in the rift. meaning you need to find a diff. conclusion or proof.

Answering this 2 then we can have an educated debate rather than just mouthing of and going round in circle.

Originally posted by Ambient
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Originally posted by Ambient
Your missing the point. it was not the destructive force i was giving an example to the upgrade but rather the capacity to absorb energy.

Im not denying your proof but rather counter it with reason. why not do the same.

Your other post are basically rants. give me something i can respond, a valid counter argument coming from you to rebuttal the main points am trying put out.

I'm not answering any of these untill you apologize. I didn't called you names or insulted you but you're calling me a "deluded freak"? Learn to respect others' opinion dude especially here when all you've done is present your opinion without any kind of proof whatsoever.