Obi-Wan Kenobi and Anakin Skywalker vs. Darth Maul and Savage Opress

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Nah, if Kenobi can engage Maul and Opress together, and Ventress can engage Skywalker and Kenobi together, then I see no reason why Skywalker can't defeat the B-team.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Also this is circular logic. If Ventress can engage Skywalker and Kenobi together, then why can't three Jedi who together are vastly better than her not beat Skywalker alone?

On the other hand if Kenobi can stalemate Opress and Maul, why can't Skywalker beat 3 Jedi who are clearly inferior to that duo?

Point being Skywalker even on a consistent basis is a match for Count Dooku, so way above any of these guys, and TCW has shown us numerous times how a single combatant can engage several, even if he/she is not vastly above each individual opponent.

He can't. Confirmed in one of the TCW comics that he'd been murdered in the fight where Maul returns had he not received help from Ventress.

Nah. Tyranus is capable of stomping them individually because of his vast superior Force powers, but he can't stomp them on pure skill alone.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
He can't. Confirmed in one of the TCW comics that he'd been murdered in the fight where Maul returns had he not received help from Ventress.

Nah. Tyranus is capable of stomping them individually because of his vast superior Force powers, but he can't stomp them on pure skill alone.

Kenobi wasn't in his best psychological condition in his first fight with Maul. Dave Filoni confirms this as the reason he lost last time.

And Maul was?

Originally posted by Intrepid37
And Maul was?

Considering Filoni didn't mention it in better shape than Kenobi.

I have before posted quotes/scans from an Insider issue where some of the producers said that Maul was out of his place and he couldn't fight the same way as he did because of the legs.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
I have before posted quotes/scans from an Insider issue where some of the producers said that Maul was out of his place and he couldn't fight the same way as he did because of the legs.

Okay. Producers only provide the money for the show. The director's opinion is second only to GL's.

It was Maul's voice actor iirc 😬

Also Filoni said that ''Maul did really well to come back and beat Kenobi after so many years of absence'' <- paraphrased, but suggests it was a fair fight.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
It was Maul's voice actor iirc 😬

That detracts from your point even more. Maul's VA tried to say that their second battle was a draw. Filoni flat out denied what he said as false.

Also Filoni said that ''Maul did really well to come back and beat Kenobi after so many years of absence'' <- paraphrased, but suggests it was a fair fight. [/B]

No it doesn't. Kenobi just got tortured, and had to deal with the psychological trauma of seeing the man who killed his father figure again. And then worst of all, have that experience brought up by him.

Filoni even says in the last battle he wasn't focused. When Kenobi is focused he does better against Maul, Adi Gallia's death focuses him even more and then he defeats the Maul bros.

And Maul just came back from being dead, met his brother for the first time in decades, gained new legs, had no idea where his place was, etc.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
And Maul just came back from being dead, met his brother for the first time in decades, gained new legs, had no idea where his place was, etc.

Uh he wasn't dead. And Kenobi wasn't using that against him. Point is the director of the show felt that he was disadvantaged. If he didn't think that he wouldn't have brought it up.

Just like he wouldn't have brought up that Maul did really well after being out of a decade.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Just like he wouldn't have brought up that Maul did really well after being out of a decade.

Not denying that Maul did really well and that he wasn't disadvantaged. He was more physically disadvantaged, Kenobi was more mentally.

Well Kenobi had been beaten up and tortured before hand.

I would say it the other way actually. Maul was more mentally damages, Obi-Wan was physically.

I dunno about that. Maul had to fight on new legs.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Considering Filoni didn't mention it in better shape than Kenobi.

Filoni did mention that Maul was no where close to being in form after being out of action for 10+ years, and so did really well to beat Obi-Wan- End of season 4 IGN interview.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Filoni did mention that Maul was no where close to being in form after being out of action for 10+ years, and so did really well to beat Obi-Wan- End of season 4 IGN interview.

Fair point. But that has more to do with his physical shape than his mental condition. He's a Sith, if anything most of the time being ****ed up mentally improves his fighting.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
When Kenobi is focused he does better against Maul, Adi Gallia's death focuses him even more and then he defeats the Maul bros.

He didn't defeat them. He lost to them. Following by your own logic, Kenobi was unconscious after Maul's push, because his sabers were deactivated. Just like in Bulq's case, right?