Originally posted by Intrepid37
Yeah, sure thing.
Vos was never rendered unconscious, but Bulq was because you say so? Not how it works.
1. They were sparring.
2. You need to post scans since we clearly have a different interpretation of battles than I do.
3. You've failed to address the rest of my argument. Instead your rebuttals have been stringent on this strawman.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
You're grasping at straws, bro. Provide [b]absolute proof that Bulq was unconscious in your next post, or don't post at all, and it will be considered an automatic concession on your part. [/B]
Lol. I'm grasping at straws? And I have to provide absolute proof? Well I'm not going to pull a quote out of my ass that says he was KO'd. But simple common sense and deductive reasoning says that he was. Not that it matters this entire Sora Bulq debate is a giant red herring. The real argument we were having was that Mace can compete with Sidious. In which case I did provide you absolute proof in the form of GL's quote. Absolute proof that you continue to ignore.
So do not behave as if getting you to close that HPV infected oraphis you call a mouth is so easy.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Well I'm not going to pull a quote out of my ass that says he was KO'd.
Originally posted by Me
Provide absolute proof that Bulq was unconscious in your next post, or don't post at all, and it will be considered an automatic concession on your part.
Your concession is accepted, your double standards exposed, your argument destroyed, and your head cut off (get it?)
Oh, and for the record:
http://i1349.photobucket.com/albums/p751/Intrepid37/LIGHTSABER%20DUELS/Mace%20Windu%20vs%20Quinlan%20Vos/MacevsVos4_zps392e2cc3.png
http://i1349.photobucket.com/albums/p751/Intrepid37/LIGHTSABER%20DUELS/Mace%20Windu%20vs%20Quinlan%20Vos/MacevsVos5_zpsc17d07a0.png
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Originally posted by Lord Stark
You didn't point out shit. All you did was use a strawman.1. That's a strawman.
2. If you are going to insult my intellect at least learn to spell "unconscious".
3. Again that wasn't the whole argument.
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Originally posted by Lord Stark
Lol that was a scene change. It happened at the same time as Maul helping Savage up.
LOL And then you have the nerve to throw "strawman" at me.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Irrelevant when he overpowered him in a saberlock with one arm.
What? He never overpowered him. He blocked him with one arm for a couple of seconds before he ducked out of the way.
Jeez talk about wanking all over Kenobi.
If he was that much better than Maul then I wonder why he didn't just overpower him with one arm in their previous fight in the same damn episode, in which he fought him for over a minute without managing to overpower him LOL
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Lol Jedi do not seek to avenge. Let alone a member of the Jedi Council at the height of his focus.
Guess you missed out the parts of Dave Filoni's comments you didn't like then.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Rather badly. You are intentionally using a strawman in a poor attempt to make my argument seem weaker than it actually is.
Well it is a pretty stupid argument.
Do you have any idea how many times people in Star Wars have had their Lightsabers deactivated without being rendered UNCONSCIOUS?
Originally posted by Lord Stark
My argument was not just "lul his saberz were deactivatd so dats y he's unconcious." The sabers deactivating was PART of a PART of my argument.
And that's the part I'm focusing on, because it's stupid as hell.
Especially when Bulq's Shoto was in fact still active.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Not to mention they're completely different mediums. Considering literally a page before they showed Mace with his saber active resisting the force push is telling.
Jeez you do talk a lot of shit don't you?
Different medium means it happened the way you want Lol
And the camera changing to the other combatant in the fight means it happened in the time frame you want as well Lol
Well Intrepid has gone and proven you wrong with the "different meduims" BS, by pointing out Vos was also forced to deactivate his Saber without being rendered UNCONSCIOUS, in the same damn comic. I mean jeez can you not see yourself how much BS your coming out with? Or is it just intentional trolling at this point?
And also, when a scene changes you have no idea how much time has passed in between. There's absolutely no reason to think Kenobi got up again immediately, or that the time frames were mixed there.
Fact is Kenobi was completely floored, completely disarmed and even shown rubbing his head in pain. What blow in the whole episode did Kenobi land on Maul which was that effective?
Oh yeah, right, there was none.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
What part of I'm not going to debate this fight don't you understand? Its been talked about to death.
You've talked shit about it to the death.
You can say Kenobi fought off both brothers, because he did. And you can even say Kenobi won the encounter because Maul chose to flee with his injured brother.
But what you can't say is Kenobi defeated Maul in direct combat. Because he simply hasn't done that yet.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
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I am not saying that Bulq was unconscious because of his sabers being deactivated. I am saying Bulq was unconscious because he didn't pursue Windu when he just earlier stated he was going to kill him. I am saying Bulq was unconscious because his plan hinged on killing Mace Windu and letting Ventress kill the rest. By letting Windu go on to force Ventress into retreat the plan is ruined. And we all know how Sith Masters feel about failure. When I brought this up with Intrepid all he did was throw a bunch of red herrings in my face rather than tell me how the hell Bulq logically wouldn't pursue Windu.
The icing on the figurative cake is that the art seems to suggest that Bulq was unconscious as well.
So yes focusing on debating whether or not a deactivated shoto means he was KO'd or not is a textbook example of a straw man fallacy.
Also as for the Kenobi vs. Maul and Oppress debate, if you'd take your head out of your ass and stop attacking me on every front. You'd realize I agree with you. I am saying I don't want to discuss that fight because it has been talked about to death and no new points are going to be brought up. It serves only to create pages of useless malarkey.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
I am saying Bulq was unconscious because he didn't pursue Windu when he just earlier stated he was going to kill him. I am saying Bulq was unconscious because his plan hinged on killing Mace Windu and letting Ventress kill the rest.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Indeed, which is why Bulq tells Mace that regardless of the victor, Mace has lost the battle. Killing Mace was a bonus; not requirement for him to succeed.
Yeah pulling his words out of context won't help you here. He said Mace had already lost the battle because Ventress was going to kill his companions. So yes...once Mace said "the real battle isn't here" Bulq should have pursued. What exactly do you think Bulq was doing while Mace dueled Ventress?
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Indeed, which is why Bulq tells Mace that regardless of the victor, Mace has lost the battle.
You do know that was a taunt, don't you? Taunts should not be interpreted literally.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Killing Mace was a bonus; not requirement for him to succeed.
Uh hello, the plan was to create a rift in the Jedi by killing some of the anti-war protesters and pinning the blame on Mace. Mace had uncovered that Bulq was a traitor. Killing him so that he couldn't reveal the truth was a huge requirement for him to succeed.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Provide absolute proof that Bulq was unconscious in your next post
Again, use common sense. After Bulq got nailed with the Force push Mace was able to get to where the other Jedi were fighting Ventress, drive Ventress off, get the other Jedi to his ship (while fighting through security droids) and lift-off. By the time Bulq arrives on the scene Mace and co are on the ship and flying off to safety.
Whether he was unconscious or just stunned means zip. What matters is that he was out of action for at least a few minutes.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Yeah pulling his words out of context won't help you here. He said Mace had already lost the battle because Ventress was going to kill his companions.
Originally posted by chilled monkey
Whether he was unconscious or just stunned means zip. What matters is that he was out of action for at least a few minutes.
