Originally posted by Zett
He didn't defeat them. He lost to them. Following by your own logic, Kenobi was unconscious after Maul's push, because his sabers were deactivated. Just like in Bulq's case, right?
Actually Bulq's shoto was still activated. Whilst both Kenobi's Sabers were deactivated. So clearly Kenobi was worse off than Bulq.
Originally posted by Zett
He didn't defeat them. He lost to them. Following by your own logic, Kenobi was unconscious after Maul's push, because his sabers were deactivated. Just like in Bulq's case, right?
You clearly didn't even read my post. If you did you'd realize it wasn't just his sabers being deactivated that suggests him being unconscious. Next time you want to serve me up a red herring you can at least cook it first.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
If Bulq was unconscious then he got up after 10 seconds since Mace's fight with Ventress was very short. Pretty sure unconsciousness lasts longer than that.
Have you ever seen a professional fight? People get knocked out for thirty-forty five seconds all the damned time. I got disproved when I said Kenobi wasn't knocked unconscious against Ventress in that 2v1 with Skywalker.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Either way Kenobi right after Maul's Force push looked in worse shape than Bulq right after Windu's Force push.
No, not really considering Kenobi got right back up and pursued them. Pile that on with Filoni flat out saying Kenobi won and I'll just accept that concession of yours.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
That's nice, but the time from where he could have been rendered unconscious to when he got up was less than ten.
Yeah do you have proof the Windu-Ventress fight was 10 seconds. Because the comic book fights that look 10 seconds are often 30-45 which is supposedly the average duration of a saber duel.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Yeah do you have proof the Windu-Ventress fight was 10 seconds.
Dooku's fight with Yoda lasted roughly 30 seconds. According to yourself, Mace's fight with Ventress was quite a bit shorter.
Originally posted by You
Ventressadmitted inferiority andran even faster than when Dooku ran against Yoda.
For that matter...
Originally posted by You
Windu cornered her onto a cliff in seconds.
😂
Originally posted by Lord StarkNo, not really considering Kenobi got right back up and pursued them. Pile that on with Filoni flat out saying Kenobi won and I'll just accept that concession of yours.
Wait wait wait.
I didn't say Kenobi didn't win.
I said going by your theory on the "deactivated Sabers", and by the look of them, Kenobi was definitely in worse shape than Bulq was.
Also if Kenobi got "right back up" then he would have caught up with the brothers easily, considering they took time to talk to Hondo and crewe and got into a fight with them first.
It was a very similar situation to the Mace/Bulq one, where Mace got into a short fight first but by the time Bulq reached him he was escaping.
Also Kenobi defeating the brothers was based on the general situation. Kenobi chopping Opress's arm, then Maul having to retreat to save his brother and because his whole plan was failing. It has no reflection Maul's force push on Kenobi which was clearly much bigger and more effective than any hit Kenobi landed on Maul.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Wait wait wait.I didn't say Kenobi didn't win.
No you are trying to be a smart ass.
I said going by your theory on the "deactivated Sabers", and by the look of them, Kenobi was definitely in worse shape than Bulq was.
Again if you read the entirety of my post instead of revolving around one sentence like a prick you'd know that my argument is not simply "deactivated sabers=unconscious."
Also if Kenobi got "right back up" then he would have caught up with the brothers easily, considering they took time to talk to Hondo and crewe and got into a fight with them first.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aE_CVWMWK74
5:02
Bro are you serious he gets up immediately, he can't catch up with them easily because of the massive pile of rubble that fell in between the two of them.
It was a very similar situation to the Mace/Bulq one, where Mace got into a short fight first but by the time Bulq reached him he was escaping.
No. Not really. Bulq didn't inflict any harm on Windu. Where as Windu just broke Savage's leg and cut off his arm. Kenobi is specifically shown waking up, immediately. There is a ton of rubble blocking his immediate pursuit. It isn't imperative to Kenobi's mission that the Maul brothers die.
Bulq's entire mission was kill Mace Windu so he can continue acting as an internal agent. Failing that is a pretty big detriment to the war effort.
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Nope we're not getting into this again.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
No you are trying to be a smart ass.
I was pointing out the hypocrisy and inconsistency in your argument.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Again if you read the entirety of my post instead of revolving around one sentence like a prick you'd know that my argument is not simply "deactivated sabers=unconscious."
Well you shouldn't have been a dumb shit then and said that "Bulq was clearly unconcious because one of his Sabers were deactivated" Lol
Originally posted by Lord Stark
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aE_CVWMWK745:02
Bro are you serious he gets up immediately, he can't catch up with them easily because of the massive pile of rubble that fell in between the two of them.
Are you f***ing blind? He gets force slammed at 4:50. At 5:02 he still not up, in fact he's grunting and rubbing his head. It's 5:05 he gets up at. That's 15 seconds after he was force slammed. That's 15 seconds of being helpless and weaponless, so he's damn lucky there was rubble separating him and Maul.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
No. Not really. Bulq didn't inflict any harm on Windu.
And neither did Kenobi inflict any harm on Maul.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Where as Windu just broke Savage's leg and cut off his arm.
Nothing to do with Maul.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
It isn't imperative to Kenobi's mission that the Maul brothers die.
Urm, he was clearly out to Avenge Adi. It was actually the Zabrak brothers not trying to kill Kenobi, but capture him so they could torture him.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Bulq's entire mission was kill Mace Windu so he can continue acting as an internal agent. Failing that is a pretty big detriment to the war effort.
You don't have to convince me that Bulq failed to subdue Windu.
I'm just pointing out the clear hypocrisy in your arguments.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Nope we're not getting into this again.
Yeah you just keep wanking over Kenobi "defeating" Maul, when Maul's the one who landed the most lethal blows on Kenobi.
If you won't see what's clearly on screen, then just admit your being blatantly biased.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
DP, you know the quote where Filoni says that Maul is trained in every way of the Sith or something like that? I need it.
http://www.forcecast.net/story/forcecast/Weekly_ForceCast_May_4_2012_145329.asp
The Maul part starts at
1:25:40
It's not exactly how I remember it. He doesn't say "all the ways of the sith", but "all sorts of sith ways."
"He's a super dangerous threat" at 1:25:40 & "He's well trained in all sorts of Sith ways" at around 1:26:00
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I was pointing out the hypocrisy and inconsistency in your argument.
You didn't point out shit. All you did was use a strawman.
Well you shouldn't have been a dumb shit then and said that "Bulq was clearly unconcious because one of his Sabers were deactivated" Lol
Are you f***ing blind? He gets force slammed at 4:50. At 5:02 he still not up, in fact he's grunting and rubbing his head. It's 5:05 he gets up at. That's 15 seconds after he was force slammed. That's 15 seconds of being helpless and weaponless, so he's damn lucky there was rubble separating him and Maul.
Lol that was a scene change. It happened at the same time as Maul helping Savage up.
And neither did Kenobi inflict any harm on Maul.
Irrelevant when he overpowered him in a saberlock with one arm.
Urm, he was clearly out to Avenge Adi. It was actually the Zabrak brothers not trying to kill Kenobi, but capture him so they could torture him.
Lol Jedi do not seek to avenge. Let alone a member of the Jedi Council at the height of his focus.
I'm just pointing out the clear hypocrisy in your arguments.
Rather badly. You are intentionally using a strawman in a poor attempt to make my argument seem weaker than it actually is. My argument was not just "lul his saberz were deactivatd so dats y he's unconcious." The sabers deactivating was PART of a PART of my argument.
Not to mention they're completely different mediums. Considering literally a page before they showed Mace with his saber active resisting the force push is telling.
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What part of I'm not going to debate this fight don't you understand? Its been talked about to death.