FWIW, the dragons and Trolls in HPverse were extremely resistant to most spells due to their physical attributes. In Goblet of Fire a dragon was shrugging off spells from several wizards, the same with Trolls and they weren't that much strong or durable either. In fact a giant spider was shrugging off Harry's best attacks in GOF like stunning spells, Impedimenta (which works like Immobulus charm) and shit because it had tough skin. The same happened in Battle of Hogwarts.
Originally posted by abhilegendWhat the hell does this have to do with Crucio and specific spells ? Make some sense. These aren't force blasts from wands, kiddo.
FWIW, the dragons and Trolls in HPverse were extremely resistant to most spells due to their physical attributes. In Goblet of Fire a dragon was shrugging off spells from several wizards, the same with Trolls and they weren't that much strong or durable either. In fact a giant spider was shrugging off Harry's best attacks in GOF like stunning spells, Impedimenta (which works like Immobulus charm) and shit because it had tough skin. The same happened in Battle of Hogwarts.
Originally posted by FrothByte
You gave an example of an inanimate object withstanding a spell. The balrog is not an inanimate object. lol.The Gandalf that beat the balrog was Gandalf the Grey. It was only through that experience that he became Gandalf the white. But regardless of whether he's grey or white, can you give me an example of what makes you think he's so much more powerful than the Hogwartz wizards? Movie feats only please.
Gandalf had uber feats in the Hobbit, supposedly the same time period when he had less experience than when he faced the Balrog. I say that's a high-end Gandalf based on his respective feats in that particular scenario. He was able to fight a demonic creature for several days without breaking a sweat. That's beyond the resume of most HPverse mages with the exception of the highest level wizards like Dumbledore, Voldemort, Grindelwald etc.
Originally posted by Epicurus
Nope, but it is made up of inanimate materials. Fire, shadow and stone aren't things that any of the unforgivable curses would work on imo.Gandalf had uber feats in the Hobbit, supposedly the same time period when he had less experience than when he faced the Balrog. I say that's a high-end Gandalf based on his respective feats in that particular scenario. He was able to fight a demonic creature for several days without breaking a sweat. That's beyond the resume of most HPverse mages with the exception of the highest level wizards like Dumbledore, Voldemort, Grindelwald etc.
Avada Kadavra can't kill something that is not alive (ie, a chunk of rock). Nor will crucio work on something that doesn't feel pain (like a chunk of rock). The Balrog however is alive and does feel pain.
As for Gandalf's feats, so other than fighting the Balrog, what other high end feats did he have. You can't use the Balrog as an example because right now we're trying to determine just how strong the Balrog is.
By the way just to get this clear: Are you saying that the Balrog can defeat Hogwartz? Or are you simply saying crucio won't work on the Balrog?
Originally posted by FrothByte
Avada Kadavra can't kill something that is not alive (ie, a chunk of rock). Nor will crucio work on something that doesn't feel pain (like a chunk of rock). The Balrog however is alive and does feel pain.As for Gandalf's feats, so other than fighting the Balrog, what other high end feats did he have. You can't use the Balrog as an example because right now we're trying to determine just how strong the Balrog is.
By the way just to get this clear: Are you saying that the Balrog can defeat Hogwartz? Or are you simply saying crucio won't work on the Balrog?
Watch the movies. He has his fair share of good feats.
I am saying it's unknown how crucio will affect him. I already pointed out that Hogwarts could eventually seal the creature off or bfr it, and if the Basilisk were still alive, it could likely kill/immobilize the Balrog as well.
Originally posted by EpicurusThe Ak is a physical blast whereas the Crucio is not. Apples and oranges.
The AK has vaporized non-living objects as well before, so your argument fails there.Watch the movies. He has his fair share of good feats.
I am saying it's unknown how crucio will affect him. I already pointed out that Hogwarts could eventually seal the creature off or bfr it, and if the Basilisk were still alive, it could likely kill/immobilize the Balrog as well.
Crucio works since the Balrog feels pain and can die.
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Originally posted by Epicurus
The AK has vaporized non-living objects as well before, so your argument fails there.Watch the movies. He has his fair share of good feats.
I am saying it's unknown how crucio will affect him. I already pointed out that Hogwarts could eventually seal the creature off or bfr it, and if the Basilisk were still alive, it could likely kill/immobilize the Balrog as well.
The AK is still meant for use against living things. It's stupid to show an example of it being used on a non living rock and use that as proof that it will not work on a living thing made of rock.
I've watched all the LOTR and the 2 hobbit films. Gandalf was impressive, but he still hasn't done anything so impressive as to put him above the Hogwartz wizards.
Crucio and AK aren't the only spells the wizards can use. Remember this is a school of wizards with a host of other spells and potions to use.
Key factor is Balrog is INSIDE Hogwarts.
If everyone tried to shoot spells at the same time, it would be friendly fire galore for everyone since the sudden appearance of the Balrog would cause the students and possibly some of the professors to panic. Only some. Even so, some students may be stupid enough to even attempt to attack it and with all that bumping and shoving, their spells could go awry and hit another student instead since its crowded. So Hogwarts is subjected to friendly fire due to panic and a crowded, bustling environment. Dumbledore is unfortunately dead so bad luck Hogwarts.
Balrog picks off any numbers remaining if their powerful spells can't affect it. So Durin's Bane wins with unintentional help of Hogwarts students. It would actually be quite a funny sight. If their spells can affect it then Mcgonagall than transfigure it into a cat and Balrog loses (provided that some of the teachers don't panic and friendly fire as a result).
It should be said that Durin's Bane's footsteps were causing Dwarven stonework to crumble, Dwarven stonework which, even after thousands of years underground looks as if it was brand new (or at least showed no signs of decay or entropy or whatever else), going solely by movie feats, anyhow
Actually, like, 95% of combatants here would be totally useless
Originally posted by quanchi112
Context. Voldemort wounded him and then commanded Nagini to strike him.It is like saying Wormtongue killed Saruman and ignoring why that happened. You are one of the worst debaters I have ever seen.
Wormtoungue didn't kill Saruman at all. At least in canon.
Originally posted by FrothByte
The opposition is not valid because:1. The Balrog was shown to be affected, hurt and eventually killed by magic
2. Crucio (and every other spell the wizards use) is magic.
To simply make an assertion that the Balrog is immune to the spell simply because "he's big and tough and scarier than humans" is irrational and derives from no concrete evidence. It would have been a somewhat valid argument if crucio has been shown not to work on someone with superior durability.
Plus, Balrog was defeated by a single mage. Here he'll be facing a whole school of them.
The Balrog is a Maiar (Angel, or Demi God depending on opinions.) Maiar can't die, their physical form can only be 'destroyed.'
You mean the Balrog was affected by the power of another Maiar (Olórin.)
And was also affected by the sword of the First Age Elven King Turgon, one of the most powerful within the Elven race.
Galadriel is a far weaker Elf then Turgon, but can bust towns.
Olórin is stronger then both.
When the Balrog fell after his physical body was 'killed' it broke a mountain side.
The Balrog wins this.
