Sauron vs. Ganondorf (Twilight Princess)

Originally posted by quanchi112
Nah. The one is a gameplay merchanic and we don't know that he canonically dodges any swords. We do know Link plunges a sword into him.

If you want to talk canon, in their fight Link put Ganondorf in a position where he couldn't dodge. This was point of the sword lock, after all. Oh, and Ganondorf does dodge arrows and block swords in that fight, too.

Yes, he does. We see him crush foes and send them flying backwards whereas we see other swords block the master sword and show nowhere near the power Sauron wields.

We don't see Sauron kill anything other than normal humans. The Master Sword destroys giant monsters, dragons, and evil magic regularly. It dispels a lot more magic than Sauron is seen to.

Here you go making things up again. Sauron kills him. We see pointy physical objects cut and kill him. Quit just making things up.

And we see Sauron get killed by a broken sword, what is your point here?

Ganon is still stronger and more powerful, and will kill Sauron by stepping on him.

Originally posted by The Scenario
If you want to talk canon, in their fight Link put Ganondorf in a position where he couldn't dodge. This was point of the sword lock, after all. Oh, and Ganondorf does dodge arrows and block swords in that fight, too.

We don't see Sauron kill anything other than normal humans. The Master Sword destroys giant monsters, dragons, and evil magic regularly. It dispels a lot more magic than Sauron is seen to.

And we see Sauron get killed by a broken sword, what is your point here?

Ganon is still stronger and more powerful, and will kill Sauron by stepping on him.

We see him kill and destroy magical blades. The elves possess magic as well. We see how powerful he is by just the swing unlike Link who doesn't have half this strength in combat hence the reliance on skill.

Sauron holds him in place or swings his axe and does massive damage. Game your pick. I have no idea why you think Sauron just watches as Dorf approaches without attacking.

Originally posted by BloodRain
What about the fact that a horse weighs over 10 men, and the boar is clearly larger than a horse?

How much greater is the distance difference to the weight difference?

Originally posted by Dramatic Gecko
Its funny because you said it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That is canon but the point is they were both locked in combat. There is no showing of him dodging arrows which is canon. You selectively try to argue for the best of both worlds which is rather annoying.

There is canon dialogue from Midna after you try to shoot him, try again. She actually pops out and tells Link that Ganon is changing his strategy and shooting him won't work.

We see him kill and destroy magical blades. The elves possess magic as well. We see how powerful he is by just the swing unlike Link who doesn't have half this strength in combat hence the reliance on skill.

No, we just see that Link far stronger than any Elf and Sauron combined. And so is Ganondorf.

Sauron holds him in place or swings his axe and does massive damage. Game your pick. I have no idea why you think Sauron just watches as Dorf approaches without attacking.

I don't know why you think Sauron's attacks will even slow Ganon down. Sauron can certainly try to stop Ganon from stepping on him, but it won't help as he can't even damage Ganon.

Originally posted by The Scenario
There is canon dialogue from Midna after you try to shoot him, try again. She actually pops out and tells Link that Ganon is changing his strategy and shooting him won't work.

No, we just see that Link far stronger than any Elf and Sauron combined. And so is Ganondorf.

I don't know why you think Sauron's attacks will even slow Ganon down. Sauron can certainly try to stop Ganon from stepping on him, but it won't help as he can't even damage Ganon.

False. Sauron can hold him in place and destroy larger areas with his tk alone.

One swing from his mace should kill him. Honestly.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That isn't canon and does not have to take place.

It's scripted to occur if you don't change to beast form immediately. Ganon is capable of countering everything else.

False. Sauron can hold him in place and destroy larger areas with his tk alone.

Ganondorf can escape tk, and his physical strength far exceeds Sauron's.

One swing from his mace should kill him. Honestly.

One swing from his mace would bounce off, and then Ganon steps on Sauron.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again, we don't know the exact weight and you're guessing. We know he didn't kill or even hurt link with a direct shot to the face. You ignore the direct comparison and want to hype the other feat. Bias. Its obvious.

Large horses weigh 700-1100 kg iirc. Horse fact.

So we already know the weight is in the hordes favour.

Bulbos are clearly larger than horses. Another fact.

Which part is the guess you're unable to follow?

Lol yeah, and Link the superhuman survives, so what?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again, we don't know the exact weight and you're guessing. We know he didn't kill or even hurt link with a direct shot to the face. You ignore the direct comparison and want to hype the other feat. Bias. Its obvious.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We know he didn't kill or even hurt link with a direct shot to the face.

Originally posted by quanchi112
didn't kill or even hurt link

Under the radar.. duel acceptance that Link tanks King Bulbin? Sweet.

Originally posted by The Scenario
It's scripted to occur if you don't change to beast form immediately. Ganon is capable of countering everything else.

Ganondorf can escape tk, and his physical strength far exceeds Sauron's.

One swing from his mace would bounce off, and then Ganon steps on Sauron.

No, he can't. There is no proof whereas Sauron overcomes someone with tk on screen.

Every sword has cut into his humanoid form. You have no evidence at all. As per the norm.

Originally posted by BloodRain
What guess? Ten guys (<80kg with metal) would be under 800 kg. Not a guess.

Large horses weigh 700-1100 kg iirc. Horse fact.

So we already know the weight is in the hordes favour.

Bulbos are clearly larger than horses. Another fact.

Which part is the guess you're unable to follow?

Lol yeah, and Link the superhuman survives, so what?

We don't see Sauron interact with any boars so it doesn't matter.

Link is ko'd by his henchmen earlier so again this makes Bulbin look pathetic even by direct comparison in his own game.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again, we don't see Sauron ever fail to kill anyone with strike against armored foes. Not the same can be said for Bulbin.

We don't see Sauron interact with any boars so it doesn't matter.

Link is ko'd by his henchmen earlier so again this makes Bulbin look pathetic even by direct comparison in his own game.

Who cares if he did? Strength is strength.

Yeah, something that happened pre-Toc? Anything new?

Originally posted by BloodRain
You punch regular guy and he dies. I punch Thor and he's knocked out. Which one of us preformed the more impressive feat?

Who cares if he did? Strength is strength.

Yeah, something that happened pre-Toc? Anything new?

The Toc isn't stated to amp his strength. He needs gear and training to get better. The Toc doesn't magically do anything sans give you great courage.

Sauron looks superior by direct comparison.

Its an example of facing a superhuman compared to facing normal humans. You said K.Bulbin is weaker because he failed to kill Link, who is a proven superhuman, while Sauron killed human mooks.

Link, in both TP and other games, get the TF and starts to physically improve. Lol what? The ToC gives you courage? What game did you play?

Well there you have it. You feel he's stronger because it looks superior. And even if Sauron is, its still the distance vs weight which at best would make him slightly above. At best.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Its an example of facing a superhuman compared to facing normal humans. You said K.Bulbin is weaker because he failed to kill Link, who is a proven superhuman, while Sauron killed human mooks.

Link, in both TP and other games, get the TF and starts to physically improve. Lol what? The ToC gives you courage? What game did you play?

Well there you have it. You feel he's stronger because it looks superior. And even if Sauron is, its still the distance vs weight which at best would make him slightly above. At best.

Sauron dominated multiple foes who aren't human whereas one guy failed to hurt or ko him unlike his henchmen.

He needs the gear he acquires the entire game. He doesn't turn into this superhuman stud. He skill improves as well as his gear.

It is far superior to a guy who can't even hurt someone his henchme ko'd previously. Links durability doesn't change at all.

😂

Can you say that these mooks have any durability feats?

Okay, he knocked 800kg off the ground? I literally just said this. And killed them? Do they have any durability feats to make this the impressive part of the feat?

The history of LoZ says otherwise.

When did that happen? Wait.. oh yes, pre-ToC.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Can you say that these mooks have any durability feats?

Okay, he knocked 800kg off the ground? I literally just said this. And killed them? Do they have any durability feats to make this the impressive part of the feat?

The history of LoZ says otherwise.

When did that happen? Wait.. oh yes, pre-ToC.

😂

Bulbin isn't strong enough to drive a body back like this with a swing.

You have no proof it amped strength or durability. If that was the case training wouldn't be necessary. Quit diminishing his training.

Congrats for trying to take another tangent. Can you, or can't you, bring up the mooks durability?

No no, he just has the strength to knock a car sized boar around~~

Hmmm.. lets see... proof... Theres the time a mook knock him out Pre-ToC only for him Post-ToC to take the kings hit, and attacks off Gorons. Oh look, proof.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Congrats for trying to take another tangent. Can you, or can't you, bring up the mooks durability?

No no, he just has the strength to knock a car sized boar around~~

Hmmm.. lets see... proof... Theres the time a mook knock him out Pre-ToC only for him Post-ToC to take the kings hit, and attacks off Gorons. Oh look, proof.

He failed to ko someone his henchmen did.

Prove the Toc amps strength and durability.

🙂

Congrats for trying to take another tangent. Can you, or can't you, bring up the mooks durability? Not bring up Link in a way to dodge the question. (what happened in that last month that made you cower from questions like this?)

Which tells us...? Seeing as you've admitted that he does in fact have the strength to knock Bulbos around.

Theres the time a mook knock him out Pre-ToC only for him Post-ToC to take the kings hit, and attacks off Gorons. Oh look, proof