Sauron vs. Ganondorf (Twilight Princess)

Originally posted by BloodRain
Congrats for trying to take another tangent. Can you, or can't you, bring up the mooks durability? Not bring up Link in a way to dodge the question. (what happened in that last month that made you cower from questions like this?)

Which tells us...? Seeing as you've admitted that he does in fact have the strength to knock Bulbos around.

Theres the time a mook knock him out Pre-ToC only for him Post-ToC to take the kings hit, and attacks off Gorons. Oh look, proof

His men can ko Link whereas he failed to do so. Not impressed.

You need to prove the Toc amped his durability and his strength.

You say that, but then you start dodging every single question and instead bring up tangents. Why is this?

So, what are their durability feats as you say they have some?

Which means...? If you haven't guessed I'm waiting for you to draw a conclusion. Can we get past the foreplay and just get there?

Theres the time a mook knock him out Pre-ToC only for him Post-ToC to take the kings hit, and attacks off Gorons. Oh look, proof
(Which part of this is lost on you?)

Originally posted by BloodRain
You say that, but then you start dodging every single question and instead bring up tangents. Why is this?

So, what are their durability feats as you say they have some?

Which means...? If you haven't guessed I'm waiting for you to draw a conclusion. Can we get past the foreplay and just get there?

Theres the time a mook knock him out Pre-ToC only for him Post-ToC to take the kings hit, and attacks off Gorons. Oh look, proof
(Which part of this is lost on you?)

I am saying armor is more durable than Links skin.

It's like saying I ko'd you two months ago and you failed to do so last week so you can't be ko'd. Bulbin failed to do so unlike his henchmen in that instance.

You can't prove his durability changed.

😂

Good, so answer me. You said the mooks are more durable than humans, so prove it.

Urm.. noooo. Its like saying you ko'd me two months ago with a single punch, but now I can have a MMA champ smash me in the face with a sledgehammer and I shrugged it off. <-Thats an example. The clinch is that there is only one, single difference from the two scenes. Know what that is?

Lets see.. theres the time, wait, I've been here before. When a guy can take more force later then before, what does this mean?

Originally posted by BloodRain
Good, so answer me. You said the mooks are more durable than humans, so prove it.

Urm.. noooo. Its like saying you ko'd me two months ago with a single punch, but now I can have a MMA champ smash me in the face with a sledgehammer and I shrugged it off. <-Thats an example. The clinch is that there is only one, single difference from the two scenes. Know what that is?

Lets see.. theres the time, wait, I've been here before. When a guy can take more force later then before, what does this mean?

You are ignoring skill and the fact the henchmen used different weapons. Henchmen succeeded and Bulbin is strong enough to hurt Link so it makes him look all the more weaker in this instance.

You are ignoring too many variables here. Links durability did not chance just his skill level.

That called 'giving up'. Booorrrrrriiinnnnggggggggg......

Your example ignored.. everything. Yes, it was strong enough. Then Link tanks the top Bulbins massive axe to the face. Progression.

Based on what can you protest this as a fact?

Originally posted by BloodRain
That called 'giving up'. Booorrrrrriiinnnnggggggggg......

Your example ignored.. everything. Yes, it was strong enough. Then Link tanks the top Bulbins massive axe to the face. Progression.

Based on what can you protest this as a fact?

Different attack, skill level, etc. Not the same weapons used. Link was ko'd that doesn't go away.

You are speculating the Toc improves ones durability. Back your claim.

Sounds like a perma-concession. Unless "I don't want to :c" is a pro class of argument.

Yeah, one has more force and from a much larger weapon lol. Yes, you say that, then ignore the fact that Link tanks the stronger attack. Unless you feel he could because K.Bulbin is weaker than a normal Bulbin (depressingly laughable), which in that case you feel that a normal Bulbins strength is far above knocking a car sized Boar around. Which is it?

Just did. Took small damage, gets the piece, tanks large damage.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That doesn't mean it does occur. It isn't canon. The game forces you to do something else aka a game mechanic. 😂

Yeah, meaning ther tactic don't work, and there's a specific animation of Ganon teleporting to dodge an arrow.

No, he can't. There is no proof whereas Sauron overcomes someone with tk on screen.

Please prove Sauron can do anything about this.

Every sword has cut into his humanoid form. You have no evidence at all. As per the norm.

Behold, proof.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Sounds like a perma-concession. Unless "I don't want to :c" is a pro class of argument.

Yeah, one has more force and from a much larger weapon lol. Yes, you say that, then ignore the fact that Link tanks the stronger attack. Unless you feel he could because K.Bulbin is weaker than a normal Bulbin (depressingly laughable), which in that case you feel that a normal Bulbins strength is far above knocking a car sized Boar around. Which is it?

Just did. Took small damage, gets the piece, tanks large damage.

I said in the one showing link was ko'd with different weapons. In another he wasn't.

Isn't exactly the same situation so don't try to equate everything to the same. Horrible logic. Smaller guy ko'd me but a larger guy didn't with a punch therefore all smaller people cannot ko me anymore.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Yeah, meaning ther tactic don't work, and there's a specific animation of Ganon teleporting to dodge an arrow.

Please prove Sauron can do anything about this.

It isn't canon.

Behold, proof.

That was only able to happen due to her soul not being present. I proved that in the battlezone. 😂

That wasn't his humanoid form. 😂

Giant floating head of flames.

😂

Originally posted by The Scenario

Hun, if some kid just kept telling you "Nah, I don't want to prove my point or answer your questions" You would instantly belittle them then call concession. Ya have before~

Small club vs Giant, larger than Link, Axe. Yes, I see why the club is superior....

You're examples are atrocious. The only difference is the type of weapon used, which actually goes in King's favour.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Hun, if some kid just kept telling you "Nah, I don't want to prove my point or answer your questions" You would instantly belittle them then call concession. Ya have before~

Small club vs Giant, larger than Link, Axe. Yes, I see why the club is superior....

You're examples are atrocious. The only difference is the type of weapon used, which actually goes in King's favour.

Skill level, were the attacks the same force, etc.

You can continue to be ridiculous but that won't save you.

So by your own words in this situation; concession?

Explain how skill makes the Bulbin's more impressive then.

And you can continue to ignore points, but thats what copy/past is for; The only difference is the type of weapon used, which actually goes in King's favour.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We see other characters block the master sword so by your same logic that counts as well. You pick and choose.

So why are you picking and choosing gameplay examples?

I mean, the Master Sword has only ever been blocked in gameplay, but you say that Ganon dodging arrows can't be used because it's gameplay. Which is it, quan?

That was only able to happen due to her soul not being present. I proved that in the battlezone. 😂

Intangibility, quan. How does Sauron tk it?

That wasn't his humanoid form. 😂

Giant floating head of flames.

😂

In case you didn't notice, I'm not arguing his humanoid form. This entire time I've been saying that Beast Ganon will just step on Sauron. Nothing stops him from using the giant head form, either, and now Sauron truly can't do anything to him.

Now its in agreement that Link has the vast physical strength to throw Dangoro, and Ganondorf matched Link's physical strength, I guess even normal Dorf is showing the strength feats to crush Sauron.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Hyperbole.

Do you know what the word hyperbole means?

Originally posted by BloodRain
So by your own words in this situation; concession?

Explain how skill makes the Bulbin's more impressive then.

And you can continue to ignore points, but thats what copy/past is for; The only difference is the type of weapon used, which actually goes in King's favour.

No proof the skill of the attacks is the same or that Bulbin uses any skill at all due to his oafish portrayal.

I have not ignored anything at all. Thats your territory.