Originally posted by Intrepid37Indeed?
From his fight with Ventress before his Nightsister amp.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Evidence?
It's in a Maul short novel. The one when Talzin tries to get a young Maul back from Sidious, and explains to him what her amp will do. I'll get the novel's name later.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
His physical showings indicates otherwise.
Maul has punched holes in stone(that before having his strength amped 10 times)? Floored someone on the level of Dooku with one swing? Battered the likes of Ventress with strength alone?
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Regardless,
Clearly his immense physical strength was keeping him alive through Dooku's FL blasts.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Evidence?,
Will have to check the comic again later, but pretty sure Kenobi was floored and seriously struggling to breathe, hence not in any shape to fight back once Maul was flying away.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
I'm not sure who you are to choose what counts and what does not; saying that there were ''too many wild factors involved'' is not a satisfying answer. 😬
Urmm, is Dave Filoni good enough for you? You know he outright confirms Kenobi wasn't in form for that fight due to the circumstances. He's also said something similar about Maul.
So I don't see how that fight can be used as evidence of anything. Not to mention Kenobi was winning that one anyway until he got distracted by saving Ventress.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
No? He outright demands Obi-Wan to ''surrender!''.
So?
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Interesting quote. What's the source?
The only times I can think where he actually had an opportunity to kill Obi-Wan was the 2 times he force slammed him. And they were both in the 2 vs 1 fight.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Which is precisely why I believe in this match Dooku could solo with difficulty. Dooku cannot dismiss Maul with the force as he did Kenobi, but he can likely trash Opress with the force on Felucia. And Maul without Savage is no match for Dooku.
Team 1 definitely wins this match up.
Dooku can solo, but the brothers likely take a majority against him.
But adding Ventress just tips the scales too much in Dooku's favor.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
From his fight with Ventress before his Nightsister amp.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Clearly his immense physical strength was keeping him alive through Dooku's FL blasts.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Will have to check the comic again later, but pretty sure Kenobi was floored and seriously struggling to breathe, hence not in any shape to fight back once Maul was flying away.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Urmm, is Dave Filoni good enough for you? You know he outright confirms Kenobi wasn't in form for that fight due to the circumstances. He's also said something similar about Maul.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Not to mention Kenobi was winning that one anyway until he got distracted by saving Ventress.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
So?
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Interesting quote. What's the source?
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
On a place strong in the dark side.
Due to the presence of two powerful dark siders: Maul and Savage. It wasn't some outside source of power.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
If it was that easy for Maul to own Kenobi he would have done so in their one on one in "Revival".
Maul has consistently overpowered Kenobi with the force almost as easily as Dooku has. That he never finished Kenobi when he had the opportunity was the result of choice, not the inability to do so.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Fact is Maul and Kenobi have been portrayed as equals no matter how much you and LordStark hate that idea.
No, not really. More times than not, Maul has owned Kenobi either with the force or in a saber duel. The same can not be said about Obi Wan, as he never owned Maul on any occasion. Going by consistency, if Maul were to go all out on Kenobi, he has the power to make Kenobi a non-factor.
Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
I don't really see Kenobi having any edge in sabers.And lol (really - I actually laughed) at Taay'hai indicating that Maul is = to Dooku. Dooku's trashing of Kenobi... twice... the second time with the Force, would strongly indicate otherwise.
I laugh at how you're such a self-righteous prick.
One's displays against the same opponents cannot define who has the upper hand. It depends on the kind of fighter one is, and what kind of opponent they're accustomed to facing. Besides, Maul and Dooku have both overpowered Kenobi just as easily as one another before.
For instance, unlike many other powerful Jedi Masters, Ahsoka Tano was accustomed to evading people like Grievous and tagging him when he was open with Force powers. This doesn't necessarily make Ahsoka better than any other Jedi Masters, but she's better at dealing with Grievous than they are.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Due to the presence of two powerful dark siders: Maul and Savage. It wasn't some outside source of power.
Hmm I'll have to check the comic again, but that could be a possibility. I don't think the source of the dark side was made clear though iirc.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Maul has consistently overpowered Kenobi with the force almost as easily as Dooku has. That he never finished Kenobi when he had the opportunity was the result of choice, not the inability to do so.
Apart from the comic where the dark side nexus is in question now, he's only ragdolled Kenobi in the 2 on 1 fight. So I don't think that's a fair assessment of Kenobi's force powers in comparison to Maul's simply because he must have been tiring from fighting both brothers simultaneously.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
No, not really. More times than not, Maul has owned Kenobi either with the force or in a saber duel. The same can not be said about Obi Wan, as he never owned Maul on any occasion. Going by consistency, if Maul were to go all out on Kenobi, he has the power to make Kenobi a non-factor.
Again I think calling "non-factor" is going a bit overboard. Simply because their most "fair" fight IMO was their one-on-one in "Revival". They were fighting pretty equally in that fight.
And you know I like Maul so would love to believe Kenobi is a non-factor to him, but I just don't think it's been portrayed like that, especially when you factor in Dave Filoni's comments on their fights.
Someone who is able to beat Sith Anakin won't be a non-factor against Darth Maul. Sure there were some circumstances in the battle but Obi-Wan was able to block Anakins force push so I don't think Maul is able to own him with the force as easily as Dooku did. He may be able to take a majority against CW Obi-Wan but at the end ROTS Kenobi is probably a bit better than Maul. Still, they are equals more or less.
I'm curious, if Dooku can indeed "solo" the brothers, why did Sidious not give him this opportunity? Why didn't he send his apprentice to deal with the brothers? The answer is because he knew Dooku would be in over his head.
"You have become a rival!"
Dooku is not stronger than Maul. They are around the same level, at best(for Dooku, that is). Maul held his own against Sidious for roughly the same amount of time Dooku did against Yoda. Except we know Sidious fights much more ferociously than Yoda.
The only real thing Dooku has over Maul is Force Lightning, but it wouldn't do him much good. Maul will effortlessly block it with his saber.
Originally posted by Unbowed
I'm curious, if Dooku can indeed "solo" the brothers, why did Sidious not give him this opportunity? Why didn't he send his apprentice to deal with the brothers? The answer is because he knew Dooku would be in over his head."You have become a rival!"
Dooku is not stronger than Maul. They are around the same level, at best(for Dooku, that is). Maul held his own against Sidious for roughly the same amount of time Dooku did against Yoda. Except we know Sidious fights much more ferociously than Yoda.
The only real thing Dooku has over Maul is Force Lightning, but it wouldn't do him much good. Maul will effortlessly block it with his saber.
Dooku can solo the brothers. The brothers would likely take the majority though. Also Dooku didn't get defeated by Yoda, he retreated (successfully at that) twice. Maul wasn't able to retreat because he was way more outmatched.
Also on Vjun where Dooku's powers would be enhanced he likely could kill the brothers.
Originally posted by Unbowed
I'm curious, if Dooku can indeed "solo" the brothers, why did Sidious not give him this opportunity? Why didn't he send his apprentice to deal with the brothers? The answer is because he knew Dooku would be in over his head."You have become a rival!"
Or because Sidious was worried of the possibility that Dooku would ally himself with Maul.
Originally posted by UnbowedDooku is not stronger than Maul. They are around the same level, at best(for Dooku, that is). Maul held his own against Sidious for roughly the same amount of time Dooku did against Yoda. Except we know Sidious fights much more ferociously than Yoda.
Nah, Maul and Kenobi are around the same level. Whilst Dooku effortlssley stomps Kenobi.
