Originally posted by Lord Stark
Dooku can solo the brothers. The brothers would likely take the majority though. Also Dooku didn't get defeated by Yoda, he retreated (successfully at that) twice. Maul wasn't able to retreat because he was way more outmatched.
Maul wasn't able to retreat because he had no such leverage on Sidious. Dooku wouldn't be able to retreat in Maul's position either.
Also on Vjun where Dooku's powers would be enhanced he likely could kill the brothers.
Originally posted by ares834
Or because Sidious was worried of the possibility that Dooku would ally himself with Maul.
Originally posted by Unbowed
No. Sidious is a smart man. He knew Maul, and he knew Dooku. He knew Maul would be livid at Dooku for being his replacement, and he knew Dooku would resent Maul for killing Qui-Gon. There was zero chance of them joining forces.
Still, this is just speculation. We'll never know if he didn't send Dooku because he thought they'd overpower him or because he thought he'd ally with them. Opinions differ.
As Stark said, I also think Dooku might be able to defeat the brothers but would lose the majority. Maybe he'd win 3/10.
He probably didn't send Dooku for both those reasons. Of course the Brothers have a definite chance at defeating Dooku, so he didn't want to risk that. Plus Maul and Dooku are both Master Manipulators, so of course he didn't want them talking to each other either, since there would be a chance of them joining forces to challenge Sidious.
Just too many wild factors there. It was best for Sidious to go deal with the brothers himself.
Originally posted by Intrepid37you are failing to realize that mual has shown no adeptness in the force, savage has had little training and would have no chance against the count's lightening; and i would think ventress is more on mual's level(dont hold me to that though). With dooku dookue being able to handle obi and ani at the same time on multiple occasions(once while being shot at) he could 1v2 them without too much problems.
When?Hardly. Savage is a good bit more powerful than Ventress; his feats attest as much, from moving starships to obliterating several droids etc.
Maul is a comparable telekinetic.
Which came from a distraction.
Savage's powers would be boosted by the energies on Felucia in return.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
From his fight with Ventress before his Nightsister amp.It's in a Maul short novel. The one when Talzin tries to get a young Maul back from Sidious, and explains to him what her amp will do. I'll get the novel's name later.
Maul has punched holes in stone(that before having his strength amped 10 times)? Floored someone on the level of Dooku with one swing? Battered the likes of Ventress with strength alone?
If you think strength alone will give him the win in fencing you are a dumbass. Dooku and ventress have a very good defense based fencing style.Clearly his immense physical strength was keeping him alive through Dooku's FL blasts.
Vader, luke, and many others have survived force lighting. When dooku was punishing savage with it he wasnt trying to kill him, much to it. so dooku shocks mual in the legs and its game over from there.
Will have to check the comic again later, but pretty sure Kenobi was floored and seriously struggling to breathe, hence not in any shape to fight back once Maul was flying away.
Urmm, is Dave Filoni good enough for you? You know he outright confirms Kenobi wasn't in form for that fight due to the circumstances. He's also said something similar about Maul.
So I don't see how that fight can be used as evidence of anything. Not to mention Kenobi was winning that one anyway until he got distracted by saving Ventress.
So?
Interesting quote. What's the source?
The only times I can think where he actually had an opportunity to kill Obi-Wan was the 2 times he force slammed him. And they were both in the 2 vs 1 fight.
Originally posted by Unbowed
I'm curious, if Dooku can indeed "solo" the brothers, why did Sidious not give him this opportunity? Why didn't he send his apprentice to deal with the brothers? The answer is because he knew Dooku would be in over his head."You have become a rival!"
Dooku is not stronger than Maul. They are around the same level, at best(for Dooku, that is). Maul held his own against Sidious for roughly the same amount of time Dooku did against Yoda. Except we know Sidious fights much more ferociously than Yoda.
The only real thing Dooku has over Maul is Force Lightning, but it wouldn't do him much good. Maul will effortlessly block it with his saber.
If he thought those two were so powerful he woulnt have whooped their asses and killed one of them. if mual>dooku then he would have had them fight or just brushed dooku off.
Originally posted by nagasado
" You are no longer my apprentice....you have been REPLACED!"If he thought those two were so powerful he woulnt have whooped their asses and killed one of them. if mual>dooku then he would have had them fight or just brushed dooku off.
Dooku > Maul, but Maul possibly had more potential.
And your wrong saying that he would have replaced Dooku with Maul if Maul was more powerful. As we all know he already had Skywalker in mind for Dooku's replacement, and replacing Dooku during TCW wouldn't have fit well for Sidious's plans.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERIf thats the case why would it matter if he replaced dooku. Im not disputing that he was focused on anakin. Fact of the matter is mual still couldnt replace dooku becuase mual was just supposed to be used as a tool(even when plagueis was alive)
Dooku > Maul, but Maul possibly had more potential.And your wrong saying that he would have replaced Dooku with Maul if Maul was more powerful. As we all know he already had Skywalker in mind for Dooku's replacement, and replacing Dooku during TCW wouldn't have fit well for Sidious's plans.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Dooku > Maul, but Maul possibly had more potential.And your wrong saying that he would have replaced Dooku with Maul if Maul was more powerful. As we all know he already had Skywalker in mind for Dooku's replacement, and replacing Dooku during TCW wouldn't have fit well for Sidious's plans.
I dunno if Maul had more potential. Dooku was flagged as a potential successor by Plagueis in the event Sidious ever got captured. Maul was always just a tool, and viewed as such.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
I dunno if Maul had more potential. Dooku was flagged as a potential successor by Plagueis in the event Sidious ever got captured. Maul was always just a tool, and viewed as such.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Maul's VA also said Maul's last duel against Kenobi was a draw. He's pretty biased.
Yeah but Dave Filoni outright debunked that. Whilst he never debunked the Maul being Sidious's successor thing, which was also said right in front of Filoni.
He knows these things from extensive conversations he's had with Filoni. And Filoni knows his stuff from the extensive conversations he's had with Lucas. And it was Lucas who wanted to bring Maul back because "he was always one of my favorite characters." So I doubt one of his favorite characters was just a tool.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Also Darth Maul was 34 in TCWs. He should reasonably be in his prime.
Well there is the small fact that Maul was out of commission for 10+ years. Besides Jedi/Sith are not in their prime at that age. Sidious is far far more powerful in his 60's than he was in his 30's.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Yeah but Dave Filoni outright debunked that. Whilst he never debunked the Maul being Sidious's successor thing, which was also said right in front of Filoni.He knows these things from extensive conversations he's had with Filoni. And Filoni knows his stuff from the extensive conversations he's had with Lucas. And it was Lucas who wanted to bring Maul back because "he was always one of my favorite characters." So I doubt one of his favorite characters was just a tool.
Uhhh Dooku, Maul, and Vader were all tools. Sidious, like Plagueis never intended to be succeeded.
Well there is the small fact that Maul was out of commission for 10+ years. Besides Jedi/Sith are not in their prime at that age. Sidious is far far more powerful in his 60's than he was in his 30's.
Varies from individual to individual.
Kenobi was in his prime at 38.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Uhhh Dooku, Maul, and Vader were all tools. Sidious, like Plagueis never intended to be succeeded.
He was clearly always looking out for an apprentice who could rival or surpass himself one day. Neither Maul or Dooku were mere assassins. They were only replaced when they were either defeated or when Sidious found a potentially better replacement.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Varies from individual to individual.Kenobi was in his prime at 38.
That's because Kenobi went into seclusion at that age. But 38 is simply not old enough to have the decades of mastery of the force and skill that say Dooku has. Which is why Kenobi continuously gets tooled by Dooku.