Originally posted by h1a8
Durability is a function of thickness. A thin sheet of metal is easier to damage than a solid block of it.Bryne's Superman's durability was once compared to miles of steel thick.
Doomsday isn't made up of the same material as Cap's shield, so him being thicker/larger in no way proves that he's more durable over all like you claimed.
Originally posted by BadabingYeah, I was getting sick of thoroughly trouncing h1.
Guys, please get back to the topic.
Back on the topic of Thor vs Doomsday...
The most powerful attack Doomsday took was the OBs. Which have been proven to bounce off "current" Superman, and other things.
However, he did get damaged by a random Kryptonian Sword. Which would have just bounced off Cap's shied, so we can rule out him being more durable than Cap's shield:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-30.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-31.jpg
Now on the other end of the spectrum, here's Cap's shield being effortlessly shattered. Doomsday has never output this type of power, nor has he shown the ability to tank this sort of power:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Page020.jpg
And here's Thor using his Odin Power on a being who is straight up immune to it's effects:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Page_020.jpg
There's two other scenes where Thor damages him a little with fully unleashed blasts, but then Desak overrides it immediately. But really, Desak is pretty much immune to the Odin Power on its own.
Now here is to show that Destroyer was more powerful than Desak:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/thorPage_014.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/thorPage_015.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/thorPage_016.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Page_017.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Page_018.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Page_019.jpg
Here is them merging together and what they became:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Page_023.jpg
And considering all of Desak's power comes from the jewel (not to mention he merged with him), that means that there was no question he was undoubtedly more powerful than merely the Destroyer Armor or Desak separately.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Page_005.jpg
Now, here's the kicker. As soon as Thor picks up Mjolnir he beheads this hybrid Destroyer/Desak combo with one throw. Overcoming the Destroyer's durability. Overcoming Desak's immunity to his power. And overcoming Desak's durability as well.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Page_014.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Page_015.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Page_016.jpg
Now, however long afterwards, Thor can casually fire a blast from Mjolnir that sends Gorr flying light years, when this is the first time in 900 years he's used the Odinforce (along with his indestructible Destroyer arm):
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Thor-GodofThunder009-006.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Thor-GodofThunder009-007.jpg
Doomsday has about as much chance as just one Greenman has at maneuvering Superman's cape
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Yeah, I was getting sick of thoroughly trouncing h1.Back on the topic of Thor vs Doomsday...
The most powerful attack Doomsday took was the OBs. Which have been proven to bounce off "current" Superman, and other things.However, he did get damaged by a random Kryptonian Sword. Which would have just bounced off Cap's shied, so we can rule out him being more durable than Cap's shield:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-30.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-31.jpg
Who's more powerful is irrelevant since we are discussing durability. More powerful doesn't mean more durable. But I don't see the point anyway.
The OB was very powerful as shown in the HP comic. It didn't do any damage to DD. We don't know if the sword would bounce off the shield. We don't know how powerful that sword was except powerful enough to cut through DD by several inches and thus it was more powerful than say the OB. The OB in that arc was more powerful than KT's energy attack. It vaporized missiles that Superman couldn't damage using all of his might. I see KT damaging the missiles without vaporizing them.Plus DD is pretty thick, much thicker than Cap's shield. A thin sheet of adamantium is less durable than a block of it. So if Cap's shield is more durable (pound for pound) then DD is more durable as a whole since he is thicker. So if it does damage the frontal of his flesh then DD would simply heal and adapt. But I say it won't do jack shit to DD at all since the OB didn't do jack shit.
Also from your logic we see that KT's eyebeam couldn't disintegrate Cap's skeleton. 🙄
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Now on the other end of the spectrum, here's Cap's shield being effortlessly shattered. Doomsday has never output this type of power, nor has he shown the ability to tank this sort of power:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Page020.jpgAnd here's Thor using his Odin Power on a being who is straight up immune to it's effects:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Page_020.jpgThere's two other scenes where Thor damages him a little with fully unleashed blasts, but then Desak overrides it immediately. But really, Desak is pretty much immune to the Odin Power on its own.
Now here is to show that Destroyer was more powerful than Desak:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/thorPage_014.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/thorPage_015.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/thorPage_016.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Page_017.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Page_018.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Page_019.jpgHere is them merging together and what they became:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Page_023.jpgAnd considering all of Desak's power comes from the jewel (not to mention he merged with him), that means that there was no question he was undoubtedly more powerful than merely the Destroyer Armor or Desak separately.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Page_005.jpgNow, here's the kicker. As soon as Thor picks up Mjolnir he beheads this hybrid Destroyer/Desak combo with one throw. Overcoming the Destroyer's durability. Overcoming Desak's immunity to his power. And overcoming Desak's durability as well.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Page_014.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Page_015.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Page_016.jpg
If Desak was immune to Odin's power then he wouldn't got beheaded. This is a contradiction. Thus either he wasn't immune (hyperbole) or it was just the blunt force of the hammer that did him in and not the Odin force. In other words, Mjolnir, by pure force alone, overpowered the Destroyer's armor and Desaks head which is impressive. Anyway Thor became worthy due to wanting to change everything and seeing the error of his ways. That means he couldn't pick Mjolnir up prior. So are we using KT after he became worthy again (since it was Desak and not DD that led to him being worthy)? If so then that is a viable tactic by Thor to win.
But the problem here is DD is fast as hell. He's not just going to sit back and always let that happen and say "how?". He would be blitzing the shit out of Thor. And please don't let DD send one of these out at Thor's head before he can flinch.
Well I didn't think alternate future versions of characters were usable, as per the Gladiator example. I argue that's not the same KT since his arm is not missing at all and has an eyepatch.
Now, however long afterwards, Thor can casually fire a blast from Mjolnir that sends Gorr flying light years, when this is the first time in 900 years he's used the Odinforce (along with his indestructible Destroyer arm):
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Thor-GodofThunder009-006.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Thor-GodofThunder009-007.jpgDoomsday has about as much chance as just one Greenman has at maneuvering Superman's cape
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Yeah, I was getting sick of thoroughly trouncing h1.Back on the topic of Thor vs Doomsday...
The most powerful attack Doomsday took was the OBs. Which have been proven to bounce off "current" Superman, and other things.However, he did get damaged by a random Kryptonian Sword. Which would have just bounced off Cap's shied, so we can rule out him being more durable than Cap's shield:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-30.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-31.jpgNow on the other end of the spectrum, here's Cap's shield being effortlessly shattered. Doomsday has never output this type of power, nor has he shown the ability to tank this sort of power:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Page020.jpgAnd here's Thor using his Odin Power on a being who is straight up immune to it's effects:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Page_020.jpgThere's two other scenes where Thor damages him a little with fully unleashed blasts, but then Desak overrides it immediately. But really, Desak is pretty much immune to the Odin Power on its own.
Now here is to show that Destroyer was more powerful than Desak:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/thorPage_014.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/thorPage_015.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/thorPage_016.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Page_017.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Page_018.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Page_019.jpgHere is them merging together and what they became:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Page_023.jpgAnd considering all of Desak's power comes from the jewel (not to mention he merged with him), that means that there was no question he was undoubtedly more powerful than merely the Destroyer Armor or Desak separately.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Page_005.jpgNow, here's the kicker. As soon as Thor picks up Mjolnir he beheads this hybrid Destroyer/Desak combo with one throw. Overcoming the Destroyer's durability. Overcoming Desak's immunity to his power. And overcoming Desak's durability as well.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Page_014.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Page_015.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Page_016.jpgNow, however long afterwards, Thor can casually fire a blast from Mjolnir that sends Gorr flying light years, when this is the first time in 900 years he's used the Odinforce (along with his indestructible Destroyer arm):
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Thor-GodofThunder009-006.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Thor-GodofThunder009-007.jpgDoomsday has about as much chance as just one Greenman has at maneuvering Superman's cape
This is ownage on many levels,king Thor rage stomps doomsday period! King Thor has dd beat in every Way possible
Originally posted by h1a8stopped reading cause anything that fallows has to be nothing more than further blatant denial simply to save face
Who's more powerful is irrelevant since we are discussing durability. More powerful doesn't mean more durable. But I don't see the point anyway.If Desak was immune to Odin's power then he wouldn't got beheaded.
Originally posted by psycho gundamCan you stop trolling. I wrote relevant info after it. Debating is not personal. Who cares if who wins or loses a debate as long as the truth comes out? No such thing as save face.
stopped reading cause anything that fallows has to be nothing more than further blatant denial simply to save face
Originally posted by h1a8it's not trolling at all so spare the moderators this day. anyway, any fallow up to that quoted line other than "golly, i'm talking outta my ass again" is just saving face. your argument about durability was thoroughly defeated and had it's face submerged into an oily roadside puddle, you know the ones with the rainbow colours from the petrol? that shit.
Can you stop trolling. I wrote relevant info after it. Debating is not personal. Who cares if who wins or loses a debate as long as the truth comes out? No such thing as save face.
Originally posted by psycho gundammy argument about durability was won. The part you quoted wasn't discussing durability at all.
it's not trolling at all so spare the moderators this day. anyway, any fallow up to that quoted line other than "golly, i'm talking outta my ass again" is just saving face. your argument about durability was thoroughly defeated and had it's face submerged into an oily roadside puddle, you know the ones with the rainbow colours from the petrol? that shit.
My argument is that dd as a whole is equal or more durable than caps shield. Thus he can take an energy attack from KT with minimal or no damage.
Where is the save face at?
You are trolling by flaming and also by saying false things on purpose.
Originally posted by Silent Master
I find it rather funny that h1 actually thinks he won the durabaility argument, when in reality Bran utterly destroyed him.
You must didn't read my arguments. Bran used logic that lead to a contradiction. Thus his assumption was wrong. So how did he utterly destroy me when his argument is faulty?
Then the same logic of his argument can be applied to KT's blast where he failed to disintegrate Cap's skeleton. Thus Cap's skeleton is more durable than his shield.
Anyway DD tanks the shit out of KT's blasts for the very reasons I gave.
KT can indeed hurt or kill DD with a righteous hammer throw.
But we must answer the question of whether we are using worthy KT (since it was Desak in Destroyer's body that made him see the light and not DD).
If not, the DD wins easily.
If so, then DD can still win by blitzing KT and not giving him much of a chance to do a righteous throw. But KT would definitely win some this way.
