Originally posted by h1a8lol?
my argument about durability was won. The part you quoted wasn't discussing durability at all.My argument is that dd as a whole is equal or more durable than caps shield. Thus he can take an energy attack from KT with minimal or no damage.
Where is the save face at?
You are trolling by flaming and also by saying false things on purpose.
this next part was delicious:
Originally posted by h1a8
My argument is that dd as a whole is equal or more durable than caps shield. Thus he can take an energy attack from KT with minimal or no damage.
if you said "cap's bones" then maybe it would have been funny
you've seen that picture at least 50 times on kmc
Well, I clicked some of the posts out of curiosity. lol at H1 winning any part. He ignored 2 out of 3 posts and instead created more contradictions while outright lying. Taking one post out of three and acting like it's in a bubble (like doing so in the comics) in the least important part doesn't do much. Especially when it's purely using your logic.
And his response to the proof of DD vs KT was straight up nothing. However, I'll highlight some things he brought up later.
In the meantime, he made a really great post that deserves recognition.
Originally posted by h1a8
Well I didn't think alternate future versions of characters were usable, as per the Gladiator example. I argue that's not the same KT since his arm is not missing at all and has an eyepatch.
Post of the year.
Originally posted by h1a8
Except that iron is heat resistant to a degree. What proof we have that vibranium can resist heat SIGNIFICANTLY beyond tungsten or even iron? I can be wrong here I admit so be nice.
Lol. I don't get why you're so invested in Hunter Prey that you are willing to forgo any form of common sense.
What proof is there that Hunter Prey Doomsday can resist any attack that is mystical in origin?
h1a8, it's useless to keep on arguing your point.
HP Doomsday is among the most hated characters on this website that I've noticed for a while.
Only entropy could defeat HP Doomsday and this website makes HP Doomsday very beatable!
It's unbelievable.
King Thor's only chance is to BFR HP Doomsday and if he can't, he's not destroying HP Doomsday.
Originally posted by ToughMindFalse. That is a misconception. Entropy stopped the process of him resurrecting. They weren't out to kill him again but take him off the map. Jurgens gave his opinion on what could take Doomsday out in a brawl anyway.
h1a8, it's useless to keep on arguing your point.HP Doomsday is among the most hated characters on this website that I've noticed for a while.
Only entropy could defeat HP Doomsday and this website makes HP Doomsday very beatable!
It's unbelievable.
King Thor's only chance is to BFR HP Doomsday and if he can't, he's not destroying HP Doomsday.
🙂
Originally posted by h1a8
You must didn't read my arguments. Bran used logic that lead to a contradiction. Thus his assumption was wrong. So how did he utterly destroy me when his argument is faulty?
Then the same logic of his argument can be applied to KT's blast where he failed to disintegrate Cap's skeleton. Thus Cap's skeleton is more durable than his shield.Anyway DD tanks the shit out of KT's blasts for the very reasons I gave.
KT can indeed hurt or kill DD with a righteous hammer throw.
But we must answer the question of whether we are using worthy KT (since it was Desak in Destroyer's body that made him see the light and not DD).If not, the DD wins easily.
If so, then DD can still win by blitzing KT and not giving him much of a chance to do a righteous throw. But KT would definitely win some this way.
I did read your arguments, however unlike you, I also read Bran's. You lost the durability argument.
Originally posted by Silent Masteryou can't lose a debate when another's argument leads to a contradiction.
I did read your arguments, however unlike you, I also read Bran's. You lost the durability argument.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympuslack of proof doesn't mean he can't. It's all about the intentions of the writers. I'm pretty sure if dd has problems with mystical attacks then they would have mentioned or showcased it. But he did tanked several beings without a scratch whose power was of mystical origin.
Lol. I don't get why you're so invested in Hunter Prey that you are willing to forgo any form of common sense.What proof is there that Hunter Prey Doomsday can resist any attack that is mystical in origin?
Originally posted by psycho gundam😂
it'll stay strong till december 31st, 2014*Family member from the army walks up to him at the airport with a band-aid on his left cheek*
H1: "My mom said to never talk to strangers"
Also, besides the fact that Doomsday has no feats where he actually blitzes anyone, Thor can react to him anyway.
Here is Thialfi removing everyone's weapons in a panel. There is quite a load of weapons there.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Thorv2072_19.jpg
Here is King Thor about to enter the Odinsleep, and after taking a sleeping elixir matching Thialfi in sword play for a page:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/thor74Page018.jpg
And although Doomsday may or may not have adapted past a timestop (although it seemed much more like TP), a timestop should still temporarily slow him down:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/thor79Page_018.jpg
Also, Desak was straight up said to be immune to Godly weapons.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/thor77Page_017.jpg
If we're under the assumption that Mjolnir that was created by Gods, and enchanted by the God ODIN's magic is not a Godly weapon, then I don't know what the **** we're supposed to believe. Not to mention all the times Desak was previously hit by Mjolnir to no real effect.
Fact is, the Destroyer armor assimilated with Desak, and was empowered by the jewel that gave all of Desak his powers. So not only was it at least as durable as Destroyer/Desak separately, but it was also "immune" to Mjolnir/Odinforce. And Thor still one shot killed it with a hammer throw after getting beat up for comic after comic by Desak.
Which is a little more impressive than simple durability. He had to overcome the immunity and the durability of Desakstroyer, and did with one shot which completely destroyed Destroyer's head.
Also, HP Doomsday's impressive speed and how dead anyone is if they get close to him besides getting hit by random army men and a humanoid being for the first half of the first book:
Radiant escaped his grasp easily
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-09.jpg
He doesn't hit Superman once even though he's got his claws in him, which Superman just stood and watched:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-19.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-20.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-21.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-22.jpg
Concussed Superman with a broken arm knocking Doomsday around even though Doomsday got the drop on him:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-37.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-38.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-39.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-40.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-41.jpg
Waverider is able to simply fly up and pluck his band from Doomsday:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-43.jpg
Superman intercepts his jump while he was turned around, and then takes two punches from Doomsday to no real effect (the scans I showed of the sword cutting immediately follow this):
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-26.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-27-28.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-29.jpg
Another interesting point, is that Doomsday's kneebone was broken off the entire first comic of HP from his "Death of Superman" fight, and didn't grow back until issue 3 (he wasn't seen in issue 2, but we can stow the talk of him simply growing it in a panel considering he didn't for a full issue). Which brings about questions of how quick he actually regenerates.
First time we see him in issue 1:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/DoomsdayHunterPrey1pg13.jpg
Last time:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/DoomsdayHunterPrey1pg49.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/DoomsdayHunterPrey1pg50.jpg
Call me crazy, but a guy who can destroy the Destroyer's head at range, and who at close range can one shot Cap's shield with his eyes among everything he could do with Mjolnir should have no issues dealing with Doomsday at close range.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
😂Also, besides the fact that Doomsday has no feats where he actually blitzes anyone, Thor can react to him anyway.
Here is Thialfi removing everyone's weapons in a panel. There is quite a load of weapons there.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Thorv2072_19.jpgHere is King Thor about to enter the Odinsleep, and after taking a sleeping elixir matching Thialfi in sword play for a page:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/thor74Page018.jpgAnd although Doomsday may or may not have adapted past a timestop (although it seemed much more like TP), a timestop should still temporarily slow him down:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/thor79Page_018.jpgAlso, Desak was straight up said to be immune to Godly weapons.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/thor77Page_017.jpgIf we're under the assumption that Mjolnir that was created by Gods, and enchanted by the God ODIN's magic is not a Godly weapon, then I don't know what the **** we're supposed to believe. Not to mention all the times Desak was previously hit by Mjolnir to no real effect.
Fact is, the Destroyer armor assimilated with Desak, and was empowered by the jewel that gave all of Desak his powers. So not only was it at least as durable as Destroyer/Desak separately, but it was also "immune" to Mjolnir/Odinforce. And Thor still one shot killed it with a hammer throw after getting beat up for comic after comic by Desak.Which is a little more impressive than simple durability. He had to overcome the immunity and the durability of Desakstroyer, and did with one shot which completely destroyed Destroyer's head.
Also, HP Doomsday's impressive speed and how dead anyone is if they get close to him besides getting hit by random army men and a humanoid being for the first half of the first book:
Radiant escaped his grasp easily
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-09.jpgHe doesn't hit Superman once even though he's got his claws in him, which Superman just stood and watched:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-19.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-20.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-21.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-22.jpgConcussed Superman with a broken arm knocking Doomsday around even though Doomsday got the drop on him:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-37.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-38.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-39.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-40.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-41.jpgWaverider is able to simply fly up and pluck his band from Doomsday:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-43.jpgSuperman intercepts his jump while he was turned around, and then takes two punches from Doomsday to no real effect (the scans I showed of the sword cutting immediately follow this):
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-26.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-27-28.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/HaCsAHunter-Prey-03-29.jpgAnother interesting point, is that Doomsday's kneebone was broken off the entire first comic of HP from his "Death of Superman" fight, and didn't grow back until issue 3 (he wasn't seen in issue 2, but we can stow the talk of him simply growing it in a panel considering he didn't for a full issue). Which brings about questions of how quick he actually regenerates.
First time we see him in issue 1:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/DoomsdayHunterPrey1pg13.jpgLast time:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/DoomsdayHunterPrey1pg49.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/DoomsdayHunterPrey1pg50.jpgCall me crazy, but a guy who can destroy the Destroyer's head at range, and who at close range can one shot Cap's shield with his eyes among everything he could do with Mjolnir should have no issues dealing with Doomsday at close range.
Too add, King Thor killed Thing/Hulk while WITHOUT the Odin Force.
Kudos on the effort you're putting into this discussion. Hunter Prey was a pretty tough monster, but yea, he has absolutely no business facing someone like King Thor.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusHe also went back in time and effortlessly owned King Thor too... which would have been the ultimate trump, but meh. H1 clearly never read the arc.
Too add, King Thor killed Thing/Hulk while WITHOUT the Odin Force.Kudos on the effort you're putting into this discussion. Hunter Prey was a pretty tough monster, but yea, he has absolutely no business facing someone like King Thor.
Honestly, besides Rex, IC and DOS, HP was one of the weaker incarnations IMO, or middle ground I guess. Doomsday Wars was more impressive, and OWAW as well. The one who fought the Kryptonians would be in my top two though.
Well, I stopped replying to h1 directly since he just makes shit up with zero proof and contradicts everything. Definition of arguing to argue, trolling, spamming? Not sure entirely, but it's hard to argue with something when their opinion isn't based off anything resembling proof, and they ignore like 30 plus scans of proof. Not constructive at all to continue that.
Although I really have to stop reading his posts since my last two proof posts were based off any possible "concerns" his flailing might have presented. And based on the fact that they're just mind numbingly not based on anything. It hurts.
Though I would like to continue the discussion, not necessarily a debate with someone capable now that I went through the arc again. Maybe I'll just keep posting things the way I have been, but based on real people's opinions. We'll see what tomorrow holds, but I'm definitely not clicking any more h1 posts.
srug
KT can win with Mjolnir righteous throw but DD is still very fast and has cutting weapons that can rip Thor up. He also can send a claw through Thor's brain from a distance.
I still believe that HP DD can tank energy blasts without much, if any, damage, while healing back up and evolving resistance.
This is an interesting fight. But I see DD ripping KT up something fierce most of the time and KT beating him some of the time.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
King Thor wins.
I see DD blitzing at times and cutting him up to shreds similar to what he did to DS.
I see DD sending a claw at KT from a distance that could possibly go through his head.
I see DD adapting and healing from KT's energy blasts to become more resistant in the fight.
I see KT possibly winning with a righteous Mjolnir throw. But this depends on if he's worthy and if DD just stands there and let's it happen.
Originally posted by h1a8
Except that iron is heat resistant to a degree. What proof we have that vibranium can resist heat SIGNIFICANTLY beyond tungsten or even iron? I can be wrong here I admit so be nice.
It's not merely vibranium, but still:
The shield can withstand nova flames from Johnny. Wanna see how the Human Torch fares against tungsten or even iron?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Cap's shield =/= vibranium.
It's not merely vibranium, but still:The shield can withstand nova flames from Johnny. Wanna see how the Human Torch fares against tungsten or even iron?
Also in that scan, Cap's shield is taking the collateral of the attack and not a direct full on attack. Not only is Cap a distance away but Ultron is blocking the majority of the attack. This is a huge difference.
Originally posted by h1a8
Cap's shield =/= vibranium.
I know.
That argument is irrelevant anyway since all that matters is the ability of Cap's shield to withstand heat as a whole.
Also in that scan, Cap's shield is taking the collateral of the attack and not a direct full on attack. Not only is Cap a distance away but Ultron is blocking the majority of the attack. This is a huge difference.
Please, stop. If you don't know the extent of the Torch's Nova blast, or the durability of Cap's shield, please, stop.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85The Nova blast mostly was blocked by Ultron. I could be nitpicky and say that parts of Cap's body was exposed but I won't. I know that the Nova blast isn't hotter than the core of a star. If it is then please provide proof. It did jack shit to Ultron who is composed of Adamantium.Please, stop. If you don't know the extent of the Torch's Nova blast, or the durability of Cap's shield, please, stop.
Do you know the extent of DD's durability against energy blasts?
