Originally posted by Kazenji
This fool againdisgust
How does he get into space with space armor that can't even get him into space?
"Mark XXXIX: "Gemini" Suborbital Armor. Suit's external repulsors could propel it to escape velocity, just not fast enough to achieve orbit. Deployed by J.A.R.V.I.S. to Miami as per the "House Party" protocol in Iron Man 3."
Suborbital armor that cant get him into orbit..<Fail...
Show me screen shots of any of his armor working in space.
Re: Stark vs ID4 fleet
Originally posted by The Fat Rambo
Tony Stark is present when the alien fleet from Independence Day invades. He must defeat them.Stark has his all the suits/tech/gadgets from IM3, his pal Brody and Jarvis. He receives no help from Will Smith or Goldblum. Can Stark figure out a way around the shields and defeat the alien fleet?
End of thread,
Tony has space armor that can't even get him into space
"Mark XXXIX: "Gemini" Suborbital Armor. Suit's external repulsors could propel it to escape velocity, just not fast enough to achieve orbit. Deployed by J.A.R.V.I.S. to Miami as per the "House Party" protocol in Iron Man 3."
Suborbital armor that cant get him into orbit..<Fail...
They have no alien space ship capable of disguising there entry into the mothership.
Jarvis could not even shut down the tessaract shields as the shield was unbreachable.
Tessaract Alien Technology>Alien Shields>Jarvis, "wifi" or any other argument
No way to get to the mothership to implant the virus as they have no alien ship to do so
Humanity Loses.
Re: Re: Stark vs ID4 fleet
Originally posted by SupraThis.
End of thread,Tony has space armor that can't even get him into space
"Mark XXXIX: "Gemini" Suborbital Armor. Suit's external repulsors could propel it to escape velocity, [b]just not fast enough to achieve orbit.
Deployed by J.A.R.V.I.S. to Miami as per the "House Party" protocol in Iron Man 3."Suborbital armor that cant get him into orbit..<Fail...
They have no alien space ship capable of disguising there entry into the mothership.
Jarvis could not even shut down the tessaract shields as the shield was unbreachable.
Tessaract Alien Technology>Alien Shields>Jarvis, "wifi" or any other argument
No way to get to the mothership to implant the virus as they have no alien ship to do so
Humanity Loses. [/B]
Originally posted by Lestov161. How the phuck is he getting past that entire alien armada single-handedly?
2.WTF does IM have in his arsenal equal to the missile Spud detonated in the mile-long ship?
I demand screenfeats.
I love it when IM fanboys ignore my indisputable arguments 🙂
Originally posted by Epicurus
Those alien shields were penetrated by a virus transmitted via Cold War era radio technology. Like you yourself, your argument fails as ever.
Actually, you're the failer here. How's he getting to the mothership? He doesn't even have armor that get go into space. Is he going to bypass all of the ships on Earth? How will he manage that? How's he sneaking on the mothership without an alien ship, which the OP barred?
And even if he takes down the mothership with wifi ( 😆 ), there will still be a platoon of these phuckers:
on Earth
How is he taking down the mile-long ships? It's not like Avengers where he (somehow? 😬 ) takes down the mothership and the rest fall too. Again, how's he taking down the mile-long ships? He doesn't have anything in his arsenal equal to the yield of the missile Farmer Spud kamikaze-ed into the mile long ship, and even if he did, he would probably die in the process, and there are still hundreds more ships all around the planet. Ergo, he loses.
Stop hanging around Kaz. You don't want to catch his epic case of fail.
Originally posted by SupraShow me screen shots of any of his armor working in space.
The IM fanboys make asses out of u and me......but mainly themselves 😂
Originally posted by Supra
You think they can hack into the Aliens Ship Remotely while Stark is getting blasted to kingdom come by 1000 ships?
Sure, if OP designed the thread conditions to be where thousands of ships, megaships, and the mothership are just hovering right over Stark's mansion, yeah, Stark would have no chance and the thread would be closed because it's clearly a spite thread at that point.
But I took the thread's opening post to mean that Stark gets the same conditions that David got: several days to analyze (if he needed it) and several days after the first attack.
This also isn't Stark in his Iron-man suit, like some old - west standoff, against the entire Alien forces: that's just a stupid match up and the thread would be closed because of "spite."
The opening post says, "Stark has his all the suits/tech/gadgets from IM3, his pal Brody and Jarvis. He receives no help from Will Smith or Goldblum. Can Stark figure out a way around the shields and defeat the alien fleet?" So I take it to mean David and Will Smith's character just don't exist in this thread and Stark has to basically defeat the aliens without David's or Will's insight.
In which case, yes, Stark could do what David did and then some.
OP, clarify: have I interpreted your thread conditions correctly? If I have not, then the thread should be closed because it is clearly spite.
Originally posted by Lestov16
Prove the mothership will be susceptible to a "WiFi attack"
No, you prove the Mothership is immune to a wireless networking attack.
Since the ships communicate with each other, wirelessly, they have a communication weakness and a medium by which Tony can deliver his malware payload.
Basically, are you forgetting that the only reason David's plan worked is because his malware payload, which he had no choice but to upload to the mothership because he lacked the technology and knowledge to attack the alien's wireless communication network, was wirelessly communicated to all the ships which disabled their shields?
No the burden of proof sits on those stating that the aliens have immunity to attacks to their wireless communication networks, which David explicitly proved was susceptible to attack in the film. Meaning, you have an uphill battle to prove they are immune to the very attack that took down their shields.
Originally posted by Robtard
Was not talking about his finding of the decaying signal. My comment was directed at David's hacking/virus creating feats.That is incorrect and here's why:
It was David who did it all and from scratch. The ship was effectively turned off since 1947 until the aliens arrived. Data said something like "we could repair the physical damage, but we could not replicate their power source". The US government conceivably only had access into the ships systems for a couple days or so.
We're talking about hacking into and adapting to an advanced and utterly alien (ie not human) software and he did it with an older MacBook in a very short amount of time.
This is incorrect, as well. They had literally decades to analyze their systems and they did so. They got so good at analyzing and understanding their systems that they were able to repair that ship to a working state so functionally that it allowed the ship to make a fully functional trans-atmospheric trip into space.
That's well beyond just a couple of days of research: that's decades of analysis and reverse engineering. Or do you think just a couple of days is all it took to fabricate the parts to repair the ship and correctly integrate with their systems? In which case, I disagree.
Originally posted by dadudemon
No, you prove the Mothership is immune to a wireless networking attack.Since the ships communicate with each other, wirelessly, they have a communication weakness and a medium by which Tony can deliver his malware payload.
Proof of this wireless communication system? I don't recall a scene in ID4 in which this system is shown. How is he going to access this system? A Google search? And proof that hacking the wireless communication system will somehow....make all of the ships blow up? If IM hacked into, say, SIPRNet, would he then have control over all of the USAF weapons and aircraft? Seems like you're making some logical leaps.
How will he access it? Again, you act like he can hack their system as easy as he can do a google search. And again, how will hacking their communication system give him control over all of their systems. If somebody hacked my CB radio, would they suddenly have control over the entire truck, down to the windshield wipers? Again, prove hacking the communication system will somehow be the be-all end-all solution to the invasion.
Originally posted by Lestov16
How will he access it? Again, you act like he can hack their system as easy as he can do a google search. And again, how will hacking their communication system give him control over all of their systems. If somebody hacked my CB radio, would they suddenly have control over the entire truck, down to the windshield wipers? Again, prove hacking the communication system will somehow be the be-all end-all solution to the invasion.
Originally posted by dadudemon
No, you prove the Mothership is immune to a wireless networking attack.
I think you misunderstand how the burden of proof works, here: the burden is on you to prove that the aliens have specifically hardened their systems against such an attack (when a very similar attack already worked on their systems).
If you cannot provide evidence of their security mitigation, the attacks can and will work especially since Tony can and has shown hacking, even against systems are specifically hardened against such an attack, work.
Edit - Since David was able to upload a virus that took control of their systems, Tony will be able to do the same except to a much much greater degree. This is the justification for why Tony succeeds compared to David. David does not even come close to being the computer scientist or hacker that Tony is. You're also forgetting that Tony has a true AI system that appears to be self-aware that he built, himself.