Originally posted by CatL18
I didn't know Spectre is weaker than GL Corps
Some comparison between Spectre's power and GL's, from Legends of DC universe #33:
Originally posted by CatL18
I didn't know Spectre is weaker than GL Corps
Some comparison between Spectre's power and GL's, from Legends of DC universe #33:
Originally posted by operator616
Some comparison between Spectre's power and GL's, from Legends of DC universe #33:
Originally posted by Golgo13
Is this because he's beyond multiversal? If he is, what aboutMandrakk vs Shadow Oblivion?
I don't believe he's beyond multiversal, personally.
Shadow Oblivion was potentially capable of destroying the meta-versel (even when it was defeated, its demise was felt throughout the meta-verse). Though Mandrakk holds much more significance in DC than Shadow Oblivion, so id say he wins.
Thanos made it clear, he was supreme over all UniverseS:
When he let off that crazy reality wave of destruction (since the universe wasn't enough for Miss D)
which spread outward of 616 into Pocket-verses like Asgard Space and beyond,
it was noted later that this wave reached outside All Eternity into the Beyond Realm,
where it obliterated Counter-Earth, which the Beyonders' were keeping there.
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Anyway, even the Incomplete IG was portrayed as Far beyond universal. (gives Thanos' words weight)
Magus merged 616 and a duplicate 616 in an instant.
But when Magus and Warlock struggled over the Incomplete IG, it was a battle across countless universeS:
The effects across countless universeS was still resinating across Time/Space,
Dr Strange noted after leaving Alternate Reality 691: (over 1000 years in the Future)
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Incomplete IG Magus, was Omnipresent: (to what extent, I don't know)
but what we do know is that this scene is Magus appearing physically in 616,
from the Universe he's located in which is at-least literally well over 100 universeS away:
^ I don't believe the IG makes one supreme across all realities, Thanos contradicted that claim in the exact same issue when he said that he is this reality's supreme being:
http://i.imgur.com/ojFci99.jpg?1
(There are more examples)
Note: i believe that the IG is potentially capable of affecting all realities, but it hasn't shown to do so. That's why i don't count it.
As for the Infinity War scene, it tells us: "across countless planes..................for the fate of the universe" in the end
http://i.imgur.com/HADIfo8.jpg?1
Actually, i also do believe that those "planes" may refer to universes, given that "plane of existence" was used interchangeably with a universe in the arc. But it's ambiguous, and it may refer to planes within one universe.
Still, Magus with the IG (minus reality gem) was merging the 616 reality with a pocket one. Cool feat.
Originally posted by operator616^ I don't believe the IG makes one supreme across all realities, Thanos contradicted that claim in the exact same issue when he said that he is this reality's supreme being:
(There are more examples)
And his beyond universal feat proves it's not just this reality.
Originally posted by operator616As for the Infinity War scene
Actually, i also do believe that those "planes" may refer to universes, given that "plane of existence" was used interchangeably with a universe in the arc.
But it's ambiguous, and it may refer to planes within one universe.
(Dr Strange ... leaving Alternate Universe 691)
"A series of Time Ripples ... a residual effect left over from the Infinity War"
(the only time countless universes were possibly affected was Warlock vs Magus)
Originally posted by operator616Still, Magus with the IG (minus reality gem) was merging the 616 reality with a pocket one. Cool feat.
Originally posted by Mr Master
I have other examples too.
Although, where in that scan does Thanos say he is not supreme of other universes?
Just cause he's referring to the universe at hand, doesn't discount what he's said other times.And his beyond universal feat proves it's not just this reality.
he says that he's only supreme in 1 reality, contradicting his prior claim.
His beyond universal feat proves that it's capable of multi-universal feats, not that he's supreme across all realities, imo.
Originally posted by Mr Master
It's not ambiguous at all my friend,
when we see Dr Strange noting it's after-affects like 1000 years in the Future:(Dr Strange ... leaving Alternate Universe 691)
"A series of Time Ripples ... a residual effect left over from the Infinity War"
(the only time countless universes were possibly affected was Warlock vs Magus)
Well aware of that scene (GOTG v1 #33), and nowhere does it mention that it's Warlock vs Magus.
Originally posted by Mr Master"pocket?" ... On Panel it was a duplicate 616 Universe that 5 CCUs had created from scratch.
It's been confirmed in the handbook. Let me know if you need the proof. Not that it matters at all, because that pocket was completely separate from 616.
Originally posted by operator616he says that he's only supreme in 1 reality, contradicting his prior claim.
Originally posted by operator616His beyond universal feat proves that it's capable of multi-universal feats, not that he's supreme across all realities, imo.
To me, it transcended everything within All Eternity.
Originally posted by operator616Well aware of that scene (GOTG v1 #33), and nowhere does it mention that it's Warlock vs Magus.
I have Warlock vs Magus battleing across Countless "Physical Planes" (UniverseS)
and "Astral Planes" damn.
Originally posted by operator616It's been confirmed in the handbook. Let me know if you need the proof.
because that pocket was completely separate from 616.
I gots tons of on panel scans waiting.
Bring it.
I also have on panel Magus being located over 100 UniverseS away from 616.
Which is from where he merged the entire 616 Universe with
another entire Universe which was a duplicate of 616.
Let me know.
@Mr Master: .... i can actually agree that it wasn't a pocket universe (though i can still provide the proof if needed), because it doesn't really matter to me (it was still an independent universe and that's the main point).
But to explain my reasoning behind it (just so you don't think that to me, handbooks > dozens of on panel statements): Fact is, a "pocket universe" is basically a universe, which is why calling it a "universe" doesn't contradict the fact that it's a pocket one. One source which specifies the kind of universe it is (a pocket one), was enough for me to take it as a pocket. (but like i said: it doesn't matter). Just like the Beyond-realm.
Though i am curious......you are sticking to Thanos' one statement in the SS tie-in to prove that he was supreme in all realities, yet you're disregarding the tons of scans (which i can bring up) which have him (and IG in general) as universal (if anything, the whole event seemed universal rather than multiversal, so that should be proof enough). Here's just 1 random example that i recalled from Warlock & the infinity watch #10, proves that the IG makes one supreme in one universe/actuality:
http://i.imgur.com/Zd9iRhV.jpg?1
So.......each IG makes one supreme/God of one actuality.
Ill stop with one example, and i dont wanna fill the whole page contradicting thanos' claim that it makes one supreme across all realities. That's just to give us the general idea here. And i am pretty sure that you yourself know that there are other examples.
Now.....im not saying that the IG is universal (i believe it's multi-universal, potentially more), but rather there's more than enough proof to suggest its power is not supreme in all realities.
I never disagreed that Magus was hundred universes/dimensions away, that was stated on panel, and it's a fact. 🙂
The IG was definitely portrayed as universal during the main IG series, imo-- one statement does not contradict multiple statements, nor does it contradict what we saw happen on panel. During Infinity War, however, it was shown to have influence across hundreds of universes, but even hundreds of universes don't represent even the smallest micro-fraction of the multiverse's totality(ie. infinite universes), so yeah...
I have also never been of the opinion that the actuality ripple Thanos released(shown in detail during Warlock & the Infinity Watch #4) is quite as uber as some believe, either. The 'ripples' caused by Thanos' actions within the 616 reality spread outward until they reached the Beyonders' realm-- like throwing a rock into a swimming pool: you throw a rock on one side of the pool, and eventually it will disrupt the water on the other side(as well as everything in between.) However, Thanos certainly didn't mean for this to occur-- it simply happened inadvertently as a result of his tantrum within one reality... That's how I took it, at least.
Anywho, given that I've argued these topics ad nauseam in the past, I don't care to do so again here-- although I do agree that 'multi-universal' is the term that fits the 'classic' IG best.
Originally posted by Galan007
The IG was definitely portrayed as universal during the main IG series, imo-- one statement does not contradict multiple statements, nor does it contradict what we saw happen on panel. During Infinity War, however, it was shown to have influence across hundreds of universes, but even hundreds of universes don't represent even the smallest micro-fraction of the multiverse's totality(ie. infinite universes), so yeah...I have also never been of the opinion that the actuality ripple Thanos released(shown in detail during Warlock & the Infinity Watch #4) is quite as uber as some believe, either. The 'ripples' caused by Thanos' actions within the 616 reality spread outward until they reached the Beyonders' realm-- like throwing a rock into a swimming pool: you throw a rock on one side of the pool, and eventually it will disrupt the water on the other side(as well as everything in between.) However, Thanos certainly didn't mean for this to occur-- it simply happened inadvertently as a result of his tantrum within one reality... That's how I took it, at least.
Anywho, given that I've argued these topics ad nauseam in the past, I don't care to do so again here-- although I do agree that 'multi-universal' is the term that fits the 'classic' IG best.
pretty much 👆 to this whole thing.
Originally posted by Galan007
The 'ripples' caused by Thanos' actions within the 616 reality spread outward until they reached the Beyonders' realm-- like throwing a rock into a swimming pool: you throw a rock on one side of the pool, and eventually it will disrupt the water on the other side(as well as everything in between.) However, Thanos certainly didn't mean for this to occur-- it simply happened inadvertently as a result of his tantrum within one reality... That's how I took it, at least.
Now imagine if his intentions would have been of a destructive nature.
Ripples have also been shown produced by the gems in Black September Infinity as a result of a side effect (forcible seperation). Those waves were warping multiple realities.
