Originally posted by LordofBrooklynYou said they have the power of all lords of chaos and order. Being the most well known has absolutely nothing to do with power. Do you know what evidence is ?
If you've read the comics it says it all.I just give you the 2 most well known Lords of Order and Chaos to indicate the power level.
Do I need to read the comics to you page by page?
Originally posted by quanchi112
You said they have the power of all lords of chaos and order. Being the most well known has absolutely nothing to do with power. Do you know what evidence is ?
NO.
Kent + Inza HAVE the power of BOTH the Lords of Order and Lords of Chaos.
NOT, Dr. Fate or Mordru individually. The fact that I actually have to point this out to you is somewhat disturbing.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklynThe fact you don't understand that one of each isn't all of them is somewhat laughable.
NO.[B]Kent + Inza HAVE the power of BOTH the Lords of Order and Lords of Chaos.
NOT, Dr. Fate or Mordru individually. The fact that I actually have to point this out to you is somewhat disturbing. [/B]
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Originally posted by quanchi112
The fact you don't understand that one of each isn't all of them is somewhat laughable.😆
You really are a fool.
There is only one instance of the Dr. Fate being used here. Despite that blatant fact you keep asking for evidence of the power of the 2 cosmic forces that were combined there.
I clearly stated I gave you the most powerful examples of both groups. To anyone not named Quan, they could see that LORDS indicate there is more than one on each side.
You are often unarmed in most battles of wit you engage in.
The failure continues! 😎
Originally posted by quanchi112
You haven't established what kind of power that amasses. You just used titles and acted like that is evidence. It isn't.
Lord Brooklyn May not have but I did. In the scans I posted on this thread we see classic Fate in his one and only appearance where he merged with Inza casually defeat two such lords ( one of each, a Lord of Order and a Lord of chaos) who together could casually reality warp the entire cosmos ( scans of that were also provided).
Other feats for lords of order and chaos "pre COIE" ( which is where Classic Fate is from)
Mordru soloed the combined forces of the SA JLA/ LOSH/ and JSA. That is a team that includes two SA Supermen, SA Superboy, SA Mon-el, two green lanterns, 2 Wonder Women ( the E2 one was vastly more powerful than E1 and actually able to move a planet), Dr Fate ( unmerged), and countless others.
Dr Fate himself had fought and defeated several sky fathers ( admittedly slightly below Odin) like Totec ( who could also warp reality and changed the earth to be in his own image.
In All Star squadron ( issue 27 I iRC) Fate also fought a blood lusted amped Spectre ( under the control of Kulak courtesy of the ring of life. Kulak was powerful enough to influence every mind on earth from another dimension and cause mother to kill child brother to brother etc) for about 7 pages. Spectre only one through BFR. This is one of a few times they faced each other.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklynYou used the word all which implies plural not one of each.
You really are a fool.There is only one instance of the Dr. Fate being used here. Despite that blatant fact you keep asking for evidence of the power of the 2 cosmic forces that were combined there.
I clearly stated I gave you the most powerful examples of both groups. To anyone not named Quan, they could see that LORDS indicate there is more than one on each side.
You are often unarmed in most battles of wit you engage in.
The failure continues! 😎
Originally posted by "Id"That doesn't make him equal to. Strange can invoke other powers but that doesn't make him those beings either.
What LoB is saying, is that Classic Fate (with Inza), can invoke the powers from the Lords of Order and Chaos.
Originally posted by beatboksSo defeating a few doesn't mean his power equals all. Just more formidable.
Lord Brooklyn May not have but I did. In the scans I posted on this thread we see classic Fate in his one and only appearance where he merged with Inza casually defeat two such lords ( one of each, a Lord of Order and a Lord of chaos) who together could casually reality warp the entire cosmos ( scans of that were also provided).Other feats for lords of order and chaos "pre COIE" ( which is where Classic Fate is from)
Mordru soloed the combined forces of the SA JLA/ LOSH/ and JSA. That is a team that includes two SA Supermen, SA Superboy, SA Mon-el, two green lanterns, 2 Wonder Women ( the E2 one was vastly more powerful than E1 and actually able to move a planet), Dr Fate ( unmerged), and countless others.
Dr Fate himself had fought and defeated several sky fathers ( admittedly slightly below Odin) like Totec ( who could also warp reality and changed the earth to be in his own image.
In All Star squadron ( issue 27 I iRC) Fate also fought a blood lusted amped Spectre ( under the control of Kulak courtesy of the ring of life. Kulak was powerful enough to influence every mind on earth from another dimension and cause mother to kill child brother to brother etc) for about 7 pages. Spectre only one through BFR. This is one of a few times they faced each other.
Thats child's play to Odin IMO.
Originally posted by quanchi112
So defeating a few doesn't mean his power equals all. Just more formidable.Thats child's play to Odin IMO.
1. Please show a single instance o Odin casually defeating a single universal level reality warper???
Fate without the amp did that, with the amp he defeated two who were aligned and as such drawing on the power of both the Lords of Order and Chaos. The merger allowed the new amped Fate to draw on both PLUS the power of the human spirit. This allowed the new merged Fate to go beyond the mere limits o just order and chaos.
2. Lesser powered versions of Dr Fate have shown to be a match for many lords of order plus as I stated this version could match Spectre who while at a lower power level ( as he was unbound which weakens him) in DoV defeated all the Lords of Order and Chaos. Spectre was clearly >>>>> than all and classic Fate matched a more powerful version.
3. Show a single feat of Odin demonstrating multiversal level blasts. In one JLA/ JSA cross over when destroying a vessel the impact of Fate's blasts were felt on earth 2, in Limbo and in deep space on Earth 1 at once.
Odin has had problems with celestialls, Galactus , and hell lords. Fate without the amp has matched or defeated beings like these.
Not saying he wins, but it's a tough battle for whoever does. Against just classic Fate without the merged Inza I'd lean toward Odin. Classic Fate was a close to even match to Classic Strange. He was above him in some regards like having class 100+ strength, sonic speed, invulnerability, TK that allows him to easily move planets, energy manipulation on or above Silver Surfer level, and matter manip around the same.
With Inza merged with him his power just got lifted a few more notches.
Originally posted by beatboksYou are exaggerating.
1. Please show a single instance o Odin casually defeating a single universal level reality warper???Fate without the amp did that, with the amp he defeated two who were aligned and as such drawing on the power of both the Lords of Order and Chaos. The merger allowed the new amped Fate to draw on both PLUS the power of the human spirit. This allowed the new merged Fate to go beyond the mere limits o just order and chaos.
2. Lesser powered versions of Dr Fate have shown to be a match for many lords of order plus as I stated this version could match Spectre who while at a lower power level ( as he was unbound which weakens him) in DoV defeated all the Lords of Order and Chaos. Spectre was clearly >>>>> than all and classic Fate matched a more powerful version.
3. Show a single feat of Odin demonstrating multiversal level blasts. In one JLA/ JSA cross over when destroying a vessel the impact of Fate's blasts were felt on earth 2, in Limbo and in deep space on Earth 1 at once.
Odin has had problems with celestialls, Galactus , and hell lords. Fate without the amp has matched or defeated beings like these.
Not saying he wins, but it's a tough battle for whoever does. Against just classic Fate without the merged Inza I'd lean toward Odin. Classic Fate was a close to even match to Classic Strange. He was above him in some regards like having class 100+ strength, sonic speed, invulnerability, TK that allows him to easily move planets, energy manipulation on or above Silver Surfer level, and matter manip around the same.
With Inza merged with him his power just got lifted a few more notches.
I will play your game.
Odin has stopped time, effected the multiverse, etc.
Odin wins.
Originally posted by beatboks
1. Please show a single instance o Odin casually defeating a single universal level reality warper???Fate without the amp did that, with the amp he defeated two who were aligned and as such drawing on the power of both the Lords of Order and Chaos. The merger allowed the new amped Fate to draw on both PLUS the power of the human spirit. This allowed the new merged Fate to go beyond the mere limits o just order and chaos.
2. Lesser powered versions of Dr Fate have shown to be a match for many lords of order plus as I stated this version could match Spectre who while at a lower power level ( as he was unbound which weakens him) in DoV defeated all the Lords of Order and Chaos. Spectre was clearly >>>>> than all and classic Fate matched a more powerful version.
3. Show a single feat of Odin demonstrating multiversal level blasts. In one JLA/ JSA cross over when destroying a vessel the impact of Fate's blasts were felt on earth 2, in Limbo and in deep space on Earth 1 at once.
Odin has had problems with celestialls, Galactus , and hell lords. Fate without the amp has matched or defeated beings like these.
Not saying he wins, but it's a tough battle for whoever does. Against just classic Fate without the merged Inza I'd lean toward Odin. Classic Fate was a close to even match to Classic Strange. He was above him in some regards like having class 100+ strength, sonic speed, invulnerability, TK that allows him to easily move planets, energy manipulation on or above Silver Surfer level, and matter manip around the same.
With Inza merged with him his power just got lifted a few more notches.
👆 I'm convinced.
Originally posted by quanchi112That doesn't make him equal to. Strange can invoke other powers but that doesn't make him those beings either.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You are exaggerating.I will play your game.
Odin has stopped time, effected the multiverse, etc.
Odin wins.
How is it exaggeration it is on panel in the scans I presented they warped the cosmos every star and planet ceased to exist and changed into something they wanted the universe to be. Only fates and Inza were immune because of their innate immunity to reality manipulation. Once merged he simply cast them out and put everything back to the way.
When he fought totec without this enhancement their battle literally destroy all life on earth. Once he won he simply created everything anew. In doing that he stated he was reaching to the limit of his power. These are on panel feats just like in more fun comics in the 40's where he was shown to completely control time and space
Originally posted by beatboksTherein lies the context. An immunity changes the feat since he is immune to that avenue of attack. Takes away from the feat itself.
How is it exaggeration it is on panel in the scans I presented they warped the cosmos every star and planet ceased to exist and changed into something they wanted the universe to be. Only fates and Inza were immune because of their innate immunity to reality manipulation. Once merged he simply cast them out and put everything back to the way.When he fought totec without this enhancement their battle literally destroy all life on earth. Once he won he simply created everything anew. In doing that he stated he was reaching to the limit of his power. These are on panel feats just like in more fun comics in the 40's where he was shown to completely control time and space
Odin wins.