Originally posted by quanchi112
Making it impervious to aging and what not has no bearing on an actual fight. Surtur, Mangog, etc. Are all capable of defeating Fate despite all of the exaggerations posted here.
Please state what exaggeration it is I've supposed to have made?
Every statement I've made in this text has been supported by the on panel evidence that proves it.
I've not even said throughout this thread that Fate wins because as I stated we haven't seen enough of this amped version to be sure. We've seen the four or five pages of the Ynar and Vaneamon battle and the few during the Inza fate run when they merged there. The merged entity has the power of order, chaos and humanity ( literally stated on panel to draw power from the several billion lives on earth- which I won't load the scan of because obviously you don't even look at them). It also Shari's their intellect with all man, woman and god seeing through each other and sharing control ( unlike standard classic Fate who was purely controlled by Nabu)
On her own Inza was the least powerful Dr Fate in "destructive" power but the most powerful in creative. She even creative 100's autonomous reality warping service baubles that could grant wishes and act on her behalf when she wasn't around to protect her neighbors.
Kent was the most powerful destructive user.
I've only questioned your baseless claims. You've made statements like "beings that pose a threat to Fate" when there has never been one that does pose a threat to Classic Fate and this is an amped version. I'm still waiting to hear what these alleged beings are, that don't exist. Only exaggeration a I can see are the ones coming from you. Not in relation to Odin but in what has been a problem for Fate
Originally posted by LordofBrooklynsticking to platitudes then?
A headbutt from Odin is enough to defeat the combined force of The Lords of Order and Chaos?Not even a member of the Thor Corps would make this assertion.
Originally posted by "Id"that was Kent V. Nelson if we are thinking of the same instance.
Physicality Gap? Odin HeadButt? Half Helm Fate has rumbled with the Spectre.
Originally posted by pym-ftw
that was Kent V. Nelson if we are thinking of the same instance.
I'm curious about what your both referring to, I can't recall a single instance of half helmet Fate taking on Spectre. that would be complete and utter PIS IMO.
Half helmet Kent is limited to his physical attributes ( 100+ tonner, sonic speed, impervious, TP, TK, and mystic senses) plus what magic he remembers powered by the amulet, or used in places of power (that at the time he wasn't aware of the power of, having not discovered it until the SA when he recovered the full Helm )
Originally posted by beatboks
Even the Corrigan Spectre who was amped by the ring of life and by Kulak could only BFR him for a temporary win.http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/doctor%20Fate/FateVSpec1.jpg.html?sort=3&o=46
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/doctor%20Fate/FatevSpec2.jpg.html?sort=3&o=43
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/doctor%20Fate/FateVSpec3.jpg.html?sort=3&o=42
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/doctor%20Fate/FatevSpec4.jpg.html?sort=3&o=41
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/doctor%20Fate/FatevSpec5.jpg.html?sort=3&o=40
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/doctor%20Fate/FatevSpec6.jpg.html?sort=3&o=39
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/doctor%20Fate/FatevSpec7.jpg.html?sort=3&o=38
How is this Corrigan Spectre when Spectre clearly states that he is "freed from all corporal restraints" unlike Nabu who is incarnated in human form? He goes on to say that this is his strength opposed to Nabu who at that time clearly admits inferiority.
Also where does it say that Spectre is amped? All that is mentioned is control and that this control has made Spectre bloodthirsty but I wouldn't consider that an amp.
You said Spectre "could only bfr" Fate but judging from what was said by Fate and what was shown on panel in those scans, this was a walk in the park for him. Fate got bfred "THROUGH AN INFINITY OF DIMENSIONS TO THE END OF UNRECORDED TIME". That's a awesome feat for Spectre. Fate was severely outclassed in this matchup.
Originally posted by Sundipped
How is this Corrigan Spectre when Spectre clearly states that he is "freed from all corporal restraints" unlike Nabu who is incarnated in human form? He goes on to say that this is his strength opposed to Nabu who at that time clearly admits inferiority.Also where does it say that Spectre is amped? All that is mentioned is control and that this control has made Spectre bloodthirsty but I wouldn't consider that an amp.
You said Spectre "could only bfr" Fate but judging from what was said by Fate and what was shown on panel in those scans, this was a walk in the park for him. Fate got bfred "[B]THROUGH AN INFINITY OF DIMENSIONS TO THE END OF UNRECORDED TIME
". That's a awesome feat for Spectre. Fate was severely outclassed in this matchup. [/B]
Because it's a story from All Star Squadron set in 1942 written and set well before the whole Aztar angel wrath retcon. That is how Corrigan was portrayed in original stories his Spectre form acted independently of his body as did his body.
The amp was mentioned IIRC in the next issue when Kulak sent Spectre to attack earth I'll have to look for the issues when I get home from work. The ing itself was the one thing more powerful than Spectre and was used to defeat him a few times. It also amped kulak enough to raise his long dead legion as well as restore his own power
Despite the type of BFR that's still all it was. He had to make it extra special as Fate could obviously come back pretty quick from a standard BFR. The point was and still is even Spectre couldn't destroy him, and even so he was back next issue ( with help as the fate entity questioned whether man was worth his trouble IIRC).
Since this Fate is amped quite a bit from that one it makes the whole "threat to Fate" thing a big question for me, since this fate doesn't have the stated weakness
Originally posted by pym-ftw
I don't think you know what platitudes are? Atleast I hope not...Guys like Surtur, Seth or Ymir come to mind.
You are aware that Classic Fate has also defeat guys like Seth, Osiros, and other sky fathers right? The continuity within Dr Fate series is that all the ancient gods were either lords of order or chaos who appeared to man to have their power increased by their worship. In some cases once they abandoned the guise that worship created the gods anew. That was the reason the Greek pantheon created the Amazons to ensure their survival. Nabu chose instead to appear to man as a mortal hero/ wizard. The beauty of this was that the hero worship he received could come from the devotees of any god ( hence why he was the most powerful).
I agree that Odin vs standard classic Fate would win after a hard fight, but the version here is an amped classic Fate. One who is supposed to be a reality warper without the weaknesses inherent in Fate's normal make up. I still don't know if he'd win but it's by no means one sided.
I honestly believe if they stand apart and just blast each other its a wash, but Odin is painfully obviously above elite physically and eventually it will factor in. We can make assumptions that the merger will grant Fate additional undisplayed power but again it really will just end in constant spamming of platitudes.
I'm not saying Fate can't win, but I wouldn't bet on the guy with the (relative) glass jaw.
Originally posted by pym-ftw
The Superman who knocked himself out running into a fence? Admitted lowshowing but pc era was kinda a joke.
Fate was an energy being, who can amp his durability AND strength to Superman levels. He's is NOT a glass jaw. And he went head to head against the Spectre. At his height, Fate wins.
Try again.
