Ulquiorra's lanza is indeed country level

Originally posted by BloodRain
[B]@BS:
Ah so it makes sense that Bawa could travel for 3 hours and get there when Ichigo was apparently running for nearly a day making no progress? Just how fast do you think Bawa is? If the superhuman Ichigo only runs at 10m/s and was on the treadmill for 10 hours for the day. That's 360km traveling while making no progress. That must mean that Bawa had to travel far more than that to reach it. So yes. Either Bawa moves as fast as Ichigo, as our only evidence suggests, and took days to reach, or Bawa is dozens of times faster than Ichigo. Which is unsupported. Basically, you have no way to use this for scale.

We don't know Bawa's speed, and that's an unquantifiable parameter. So I see no reason why you're bringing him up just for the sake of downlaying

More like hill.

Oh no, not fools at all. Just a foolish child. Let us no forget we have a reliable character stating that it takes a 10 day walk to get the next Seireitei gate. Know what that means? Let's take a 1.4m/s average walking speed and assuming they sleep for 8 hours, even though being in a rush would change that drastically. That's 160 hours which would make the distance to the next gate 806.4km away. That's also a quarter of the circumference. That'd mean the diameter of Seireitei would be just over a thousand km :l That would make it larger than Madagascar and many European countries. We know the size of Seireitei from all given facts, one of them by merely from having eyes, to know that statement is complete bs. Use that to compare to your 3 day statement.

And there's quite a lot of proof that Seireitei is atleast large Island sized, possibly country.

Fact 1: Seireitei has over 12 districts and over 12000 regions: http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb...ach-3353131.jpg

Fact 2: The movie Fade to Black was supervised by Kubo. In that, Seireitei is stated to be over 200 spirit miles long.

Fact 3: Seireitei has mountain ranges inside it, which are not even visible in its full view, thereby meaning Seireitei is huge: http://i15.mangapanda.com/bleach/479/bleach-2972259.jpg

Now let's stack up the evidence. We have a majorly inconsistent running scene which makes either Bawabawa massively faster than Ichigo, massively, or they were traveling for days on end, assuming no sleep.
-Anyone can see the bs from these obviously inconsistencies.

And you still haven't given me an answer as to why they didn't object to Nel's statement if it was BS. They had a good idea of its size after travelling towards it.

And Nel's statement directly in line with Yoruichi's days one, the latter already proven to be absolutely wrong.
-A clear call into question to any of these days/distance lines.

So there we go. Two pieces of evidence that have been defeated by the manga itself.

Nah, nothing points to Las Noches being any smaller than a city apart from weird pixel-scaling, when its common knowledge that author's don't draw to scale

Those are the "mountain ranges"? lol

yes they are. Infact much bigger than the mountains in Naruto

@BS:
Based on? The /only/ evodexd to its speed was when it was chasing Nel, showing peak human running speed. If you'd like to assume more you'll need proof. Until then, this is the only speed we can give. So either find actual evidence to support them riding Bawa at supersonic speeds, or accept the only known evidence.

Is that really your argument style? Find a single point to talk about then ignore the rest?

According to Yoruichi the diameter which we see in this picture is 1,000km long. Your official, 'cant deny no matter what' statements say this. Y'know, Even though we know the hill in the centre isn't that tall.. and even if the 4 gate giants are a quarter of the height of the walls.. but no, its officially a thousand km right?

Can you honestly look at every single image of Seireitei and say its as large as her word says? Keeping in mind that we can see two of these 'ten days apart' gates in that very picture.

Don't let the next response simply be "No he has /never/ drawn Seireitei to this size. Ever" because you're just asking for us to call into question his scale reliability.

Originally posted by Blazing Storm
yes they are. Infact much bigger than the mountains in Naruto

Why does it matter if they're bigger than Naruto's?

Those buildings are the size of cities.

Originally posted by BloodRain
@BS:
Based on? The /only/ evodexd to its speed was when it was chasing Nel, showing peak human running speed. If you'd like to assume more you'll need proof. Until then, this is the only speed we can give. So either find actual evidence to support them riding Bawa at supersonic speeds, or accept the only known evidence.

Just because that's the only scan we have doesn't limit Bawa's speed from being as fast as a car. And no one said he's supersonic.

Is that really your argument style? Find a single point to talk about then ignore the rest?
http://toxicmuffin.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/bleach10-11.png

According to Yoruichi the diameter which we see in this picture is 1,000km long. Your official, 'cant deny no matter what' statements say this. Y'know, Even though we know the hill in the centre isn't that tall.. and even if the 4 gate giants are a quarter of the height of the walls.. but no, its officially a thousand km right?

So another example of bad art by Kubo, which is nothing surprising as it happens quite often in manga.

Can you honestly look at every single image of Seireitei and say its as large as her word says? Keeping in mind that we can see two of these 'ten days apart' gates in that very picture.

Don't let the next response simply be "No he has /never/ drawn Seireitei to this size. Ever" because you're just asking for us to call into question his scale reliability.

I have listed 4 different points above that point to Seireitei being many times larger than a city, and all you give me for an argument is some inconsistent pixel scaling? C'mon, give me a break...

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Why does it matter if they're bigger than Naruto's?

Those are hills.

Originally posted by Blazing Storm
Because Naruto fans like the guy above me keep using double standards (ie. using pixel scaling to downplay Bleach, while not using it for their own verse when it goes against them)

NemeBro likes Bleach more than Naruto at the moment and probably overall in general.

Right?

I hate Naruto.

@BS: No, it was the only scene we have so like I said, prove he can go faster or say nothing on it. Either way, that's his official fastest speed. Hah no one's saying supersonic? You're suggesting that he's dozens of times Ichigo's speed to push him to /at least/ half supersonic and then several times that speed to reach what Ichigo failed to. Remember, you're supporting that Bawa could do in a relatively short time what Ichigo failed to even get close to with a day of peak human running. Do you realise how fast or how long that would be? I'm not saying supersonic or a week for the sake of it. I'm saying it because that's literally the minimum needed for Bawa.

Now time to use your argument against itself. There are a over a dozen images showing , how many show mountain ranges? None. Now, where did we see mountain ranges? One scan in the entire manga. Now this is a guy you yourself admit is a poor artist, so why is it you see a single image and hold that above all everything else that the manga shows? Either it's a range /outside/ of the walls, or its your admitted inconsistent art. Or the third option, you belieb this one scan proves everything and just show some bias.

It's not even pixel scaling. And you would have known that if you've been properly reading my posts. I mean please, get a better argument? Your great points amount to a movie line which is inconsistent to other statements (well done there), mountains that you admit aren't only in that one scan due to poor art skills, and a single line you say someone else say means there are 12k districts when all the character says was a number, nothing more. No but we're to see this and say 'yes, Seireitei alone is larger than Madagascar'?

Give me some consistent and real evidence.

Originally posted by BloodRain
@BS: No, it was the only scene we have so like I said, prove he can go faster or say nothing on it. Either way, that's his official fastest speed. Hah no one's saying supersonic? You're suggesting that he's dozens of times Ichigo's speed to push him to /at least/ half supersonic and then several times that speed to reach what Ichigo failed to. Remember, you're supporting that Bawa could do in a relatively short time what Ichigo failed to even get close to with a day of peak human running. Do you realise how fast or how long that would be? I'm not saying supersonic or a week for the sake of it. I'm saying it because that's literally the minimum needed for Bawa.

Bawa just needs to be as fast as a car to cross that distance in a couple of hours, not supersonic.

So lets leave the unknown parameters aside, and just use Ichigo's speed being peak human as a low end value to calc the distance.

Now time to use your argument against itself. There are a over a dozen images showing , how many show mountain ranges? None. Now, where did we see mountain ranges? One scan in the entire manga. Now this is a guy you yourself admit is a poor artist, so why is it you see a single image and hold that above all everything else that the manga shows? Either it's a range /outside/ of the walls, or its your admitted inconsistent art. Or the third option, you belieb this one scan proves everything and just show some bias.

Which we both know is BS, since other pixel scaling calcs have it at city sized.

Those mountains were inside Seireitei as Ukitake was shown to be inside in the same chapter.

Yes, Kubo is a bad artist so keep aside all the drawings he makes since they're inconsistent as f**k. Don't judge something's size by how he draws it. What he says in the manga is way more credible than what he draws

It's not even pixel scaling. And you would have known that if you've been properly reading my posts. I mean please, get a better argument? Your great points amount to a movie line which is inconsistent to other statements (well done there), mountains that you admit aren't only in that one scan due to poor art skills, and a single line you say someone else say means there are 12k districts when all the character says was a number, nothing more. No but we're to see this and say 'yes, Seireitei alone is larger than Madagascar'?

2. what makes you say that the scan with the mountains was because of poor art, and not the scan which you showed?

3. And c'mon, don't tell me that 12 districts is smaller than a city when we all know that an average district in japan is city sized and each of those 12000+ areas in it can comfortably hold over 60 people.

If you want other forms of evidence, here it takes Yoruichi 200 Shunpo just to get from the central prison tower to the Sokyoku hill: http://i15.mangapanda.com/bleach/119/bleach-11484.jpg

And the wall around Seireitei also cover's 5 different cities of the Royal Realm that are evenly spaced out with huge gaps between then: http://i32.mangapanda.com/bleach/516/bleach-3698693.jpg

Finally if you wan't consistent evidence, then visuals/pixel scaling is not be what you should be looking at, because all the scans that show Seireitei are inconsistent as hell.

Maybe what Ukitake saw was hills and not mountains? Like we have nothing to compare it to.

Originally posted by Rikudo sennin
Maybe what Ukitake saw was hills and not mountains? Like we have nothing to compare it to.

The official map of Seireitei has no mountains. Therefore there are none.

We have a feat that isn't contradicting anything. Its a feat unless you can somehow disprove it. Aha as fast as a car? No. See, the 'dozens of times Ichigo's speed' only takes Bawa to the same distance Ichigo covered, that being the one where he made no dent in covering. Which means that distance is a fraction needed, meaning the speed is a fraction needed.

Prove Bawa is that fast or admit the plot hole in this section. Because as you're obviously missing, this is the absolute minimum speed needed for Bawa for Ichigo's running scene to make sense.

Or you're just further proving that Kubo doesn't know his shit when it comes to scaling. Consistency has been the best way to judge feats. Do you know the consistency here? Dozens of images showing Seireitei at a similar size throughout. Compared to one line saying its the size of Madagascar, and one image showing mountains that's curiously not there when revising the scene.

But yes, its perfectly fine to ignore all consistent showings in favour of single pages that cannot be proven at any point in the manga. Not only that but also has the latter follow in line with your constant "nah its cool cause the guy's shit at drawing". With your own logic your mountains point is scrapped. "Kubo is a bad artist so keep aside all the drawings he makes since they're inconsistent as f**k" Right?

1. Was meaning to ask where you got this. Because that line only seems to appear in the dub, while all the subs say 200 locations. (But lol if the goo is meant to be covering over 700km. No excuse on artist this time either)

2. Because every single piece showing Seireitei fails to show any mountains. But hey, hes a crappy artist so who cares right?

3. Again with the 12000 thing.. Anyhow go confirm the districts then confirm their size.

Yeah, seeing as she took 3 shunpos to cover the bridge to stand on the adjacent building? Colour me impressed. Those disks which are shown to be smaller than the Seireitie from that one overview scan?

Anyhow its just funny that you can even mention consistency when ignoring everything but one or two select reasons, while ignoring all the rest. Heck even the anime keeps a consistent size to the manga.

Nice to know Ichigo and Co are visible even though that's a "country" sized sphere they are slamming into.

Those trees are the size of cities.

Originally posted by Blazing Storm
They were just playing at that time, duh. It was a gag scene. If DBZ has a gag scene showing Goku or Gohan playing tag with kids for fun, it doesn't restrict their speed to that level.

Just because that's the only scan we have doesn't limit Bawa's speed from being as fast as a car. And no one said he's supersonic.

That scan doesn't even show the mountain ranges that Ukitake was looking at here: http://i15.mangapanda.com/bleach/479/bleach-2972259.jpg

So another example of bad art by Kubo, which is nothing surprising as it happens quite often in manga.

Kubo's sense of scale is not reliable as I said.

I have listed 4 different points above that point to Seireitei being many times larger than a city, and all you give me for an argument is some inconsistent pixel scaling? C'mon, give me a break...

Because Naruto fans like the guy above me keep using double standards (ie. using pixel scaling to downplay Bleach, while not using it for their own verse when it goes against them)

Nel is a masochist. They were going full speed. Statement directly from the all-knowledgable, never incorrect, Nel.

Yeah. No statements other than him being equivalent in speed to a 10 year old little girl.

Ukitake wasn't in Seireitei. He was only in Soul society. Also, even if that was true, that's the only scan with mountains. There are TWO that don't have them, and are at different times. It's 2:1. No mountains. 👆

You have listed one singular statement from a cat, early on. Pixel scaling >>> You.

Double standards? Coming from the guy pinning Kubo as bad at scaling, and still saying Kishi draws it to a nanometers precision.

Stahp.

It wasn't even a gag scene either.

You strike me as a sock. Are you a sock? Be honest.