Originally posted by Kaldin
First of, we can't use our moon for Naruto, since the moon in Naruto is a lot closer to their worlds orbit.
No change in the dessert? What are you talking about?
Notice the massive amount of sand blasting in the air?
Anyway, the Manga wasn't focused on the Lanza, it was focused on the battle, even still, it was made out to be a big deal that Lanza can be spammed.
Proof of this?
And no change as in no one comments on any sort of change in the environment.
Blasting sand into the air? Dude, a country busting explosion would completely vaporize the sand lol.
Saying the manga doesn't focus on the lanza is not an argument. It is a pitiful excuse for why this showing doesn't have the feats you want for some reason.
Originally posted by AuraAngel
Proof of this?
And no change as in no one comments on any sort of change in the environment.Blasting sand into the air? Dude, a country busting explosion would completely vaporize the sand lol.
Saying the manga doesn't focus on the lanza is not an argument. It is a pitiful excuse for why this showing doesn't have the feats you want for some reason.
I already posted my reasons to Neme, read that if you want.
The sand that was blasted was not inside the blast radius, all that says is that its strong enough to blast sand into the air that is higher then Las Noches itself, sand that is not in its actual blast radius.
There clearly would have been a sand crater or a hole in the sand, but it wasn't shown.
Choose a better argument.
Saying that Lanza had no focus is an argument, since it didn't. It wasn't meant to have any focus.
Kubo doesn't focus on those sorts of things.
When he does its kinda stupid.
Originally posted by Kaldin
I already posted my reasons to Neme, read that if you want.
The sand that was blasted was not inside the blast radius, all that says is that its strong enough to blast sand into the air that is higher then Las Noches itself, sand that is not in its actual blast radius.
There clearly would have been a sand crater or a hole in the sand, but it wasn't shown.Choose a better argument.
Saying that Lanza had no focus is an argument, since it didn't. It wasn't meant to have any focus.
Kubo doesn't focus on those sorts of things.
When he does its kinda stupid.
Not good reasons then.
You don't understand. A country busting explosion would destroy all the sand. The three hills of sand in between the explosion and Las Noches would no longer be there.
Then why should we care about it at all? If we should not care about it then we shouldn't talk about it. But people are insisting that it is a country buster, we have to look at it. And what we see is that it isn't destroying anything to make it remotely close to country busting.
Originally posted by AuraAngel
Not good reasons then.
You don't understand. A country busting explosion would destroy all the sand. The three hills of sand in between the explosion and Las Noches would no longer be there.Then why should we care about it at all? If we should not care about it then we shouldn't talk about it. But people are insisting that it is a country buster, we have to look at it. And what we see is that it isn't destroying anything to make it remotely close to country busting.
I've actually never outright stated that Lanza is country level. I think of a country level Lanza as high end.
I lean more towards island level actually, which I said not so long ago. I don't even know why we are debating something like this lol.
Originally posted by Kaldin
I've actually never outright stated that Lanza is country level. I think of a country level Lanza as high end.
I lean more towards island level actually, which I said not so long ago. I don't even know why we are debating something like this lol.
Exactly. This entire argument is stupid.
You, and especially Blazing storm, are basing this entire "country level Lanza" rubbish, on the SOLE fact that the view from their perspectives didn't change in an unknown time-frame.
As per the scan, there are three hills of sand that are roughly... I guess about a sixth of LN itself. That means that LN is NO bigger than a large mountain, or high-balled two. Not country sized. Not continent sized. Not planet sized.
For christ sake, when are you people NOT sniffing Jenkem?
Originally posted by SSJGGogetaThose "hills" are actually sand dunes of an unknown size. So it doesn't restrict their size to that of a mountainAs per the scan, there are three hills of sand that are roughly... I guess about a sixth of LN itself. That means that LN is NO bigger than a large mountain, or high-balled two.
And finally, stop pixel scaling
Didn't Inoue and Ishida fly up from the ground to the top of Le Nachos to meet Ulq and Ichi at their battle?
Anyhow the size has been calc'd to small Town size based on scaling Bawabawa to its walls. Not a childs quote or the trio running, which makes less sense as their little run where they didn't even get closer is contradicted by them riding Bawa and swiftly getting there while moving at their running speed. Didn't take 3 days either.
Originally posted by Blazing Storm
Those "hills" are actually sand dunes of an unknown size. So it doesn't restrict their size to that of a mountainAnd finally, stop pixel scaling
Yes, and you of all logic-tards, should know that sand dunes cannot physically grow past 300 or so meters tall. The conditions of a desert are too windy to support a structure of sand taller than that. 👆
And finally, that is exactly what you're doing by judging the size of Ulquiorra's attack compared to LN in the first place.
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Originally posted by BloodRain
Didn't Inoue and Ishida fly up from the ground to the top of Le Nachos to meet Ulq and Ichi at their battle?Anyhow the size has been calc'd to small Town size based on scaling Bawabawa to its walls. Not a childs quote or the trio running, which makes less sense as their little run where they didn't even get closer is contradicted by them riding Bawa and swiftly getting there while moving at their running speed. Didn't take 3 days either.
Not exactly from the ground, but you could calc it to be roughly half the size, in the same respect. That alone should account for how small it actually is.
Exactly, not to mention the supporting sand dune scaling, and several other hill-mountain sized indicators.
BS just can't stop spouting... well, bs.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Yes, and you of all logic-tards, should know that sand dunes cannot physically grow past 300 or so meters tall. The conditions of a desert are too windy to support a structure of sand taller than that. 👆And finally, that is exactly what you're doing by judging the size of Ulquiorra's attack compared to LN in the first place.
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Idk there could be a 300 meter sand dune out there in Egypt or Australia
Playin devils advocate 😎
Originally posted by BloodRain> Town sized
Fair enough but even so, unless they were at the very, very tip it would at least take hours to rise up there right? Knock all this up to inconsistancy and a very unreliable source.Town sized Lanza it is Town level. A million times below Island, billion below Country.
U wot m8??
Originally posted by BloodRainAnd no one knows their speed or how much time they took
Didn't Inoue and Ishida fly up from the ground to the top of Le Nachos to meet Ulq and Ichi at their battle?
Anyhow the size has been calc'd to small Town size based on scaling Bawabawa to its walls. Not a childs quote or the trio running, which makes less sense as their little run where they didn't even get closer is contradicted by them riding Bawa and swiftly getting there while moving at their running speed. Didn't take 3 days either.It was calced to be city level+ and thats assuming that author's draw everything to scale, WHICH THEY DON'T!
Hey wait, let me scale the planet's in DBZ in a similar way...http://lounge.moviecodec.com/vs-general/planet-namek-size-calc-legit-333524/
> Town level Frieza confirmed!
Originally posted by SSJGGogetaExcept that Las Noches isn't your ordinary desert and was never shown to have extremely windy conditions
Yes, and you of all logic-tards, should know that sand dunes cannot physically grow past 300 or so meters tall. The conditions of a desert are too windy to support a structure of sand taller than that. 👆And finally, that is exactly what you're doing by judging the size of Ulquiorra's attack compared to LN in the first place.
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Running is directly contradicted by them riding Bawabawa at their running speed right up to the walls, in a short time. This either means that old Bawa there can slither dozens of times faster than Ichigo can run, or you think they were riding for around a day.
We see them in motion.
Newer calc has it as Town, unless you can share the link. Iirc everyone there agrees on Town+. Not to be judgy but just seeing where it came from.. anyhow, that was initially and soundly refused as complete bs. Even taking a quarter second to look at it shows he's not using the actual spehere. Most of all its easily contradicted by..... Everything :l.
Now, why is that different? First this size makes sense with what happens inside. Second is that nothing contradicts it. All you have is a child's word and that running seen, both washed away by the fact that later we see them swidftly get there on Bawabawa :/
Originally posted by BloodRainYes, Bawabawa may be many times faster than a peak human, and they may have taken a few hours to reach it.
Running is directly contradicted by them riding Bawabawa at their running speed right up to the walls, in a short time. This either means that old Bawa there can slither dozens of times faster than Ichigo can run, or you think they were riding for around a day.We see them in motion.
If Bawabawa can slither at 50 or 100 miles/hr, he can cross a large Island or a small country in the given time. So better not bring up Bawabawa since his speed is unknown and so is the timeframe.
Newer calc has it as Town, unless you can share the link. Iirc everyone there agrees on Town+.The initial calc: http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?bt=69327 (5.6 km is small city sized)
The latest calc: http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=20129 (39-40 Megatons is city+)
Not to be judgy but just seeing where it came from.. anyhow, that was initially and soundly refused as complete bs. Even taking a quarter second to look at it shows he's not using the actual spehere. Most of all its easily contradicted by..... Everything :l.There are many things that contradict Lanza being only town level:Now, why is that different? First this size makes sense with what happens inside. Second is that nothing contradicts it. All you have is a child's word and that running seen, both washed away by the fact that later we see them swidftly get there on Bawabawa :/ [/B]
1. Neither Ichigo or Renji or Uryu objected to Nel's statement after they had reached Las Noches. This means they couldn't even see the farthest end.
2. Even if you use peak human speeds for Ichigo and co. (20 km/hr) and consider they ran towards it for 3-4 hours, its over 50 km.
3. Las Noches has a sky and a climate of its own, and its roof was so high that everyone thought it was a real sky and not an artificial roof. So its height can't just be 500m
As for the scaling calc, the mistake he made is that Bawabawa was closer to the observer than Las Noches in the scan he used: http://i35.mangapanda.com/bleach/247/bleach-1589767.jpg
They hadn't reached Las Noches yet and were still riding. So once Bawabawa reaches the wall, he may appear much smaller than he did in the scan.
