Originally posted by abhilegend
This sequence puts the question to rest IMO. Drax destroys two planets back to back and rips a star apart. Yet Captain Mar-Vell who isn't even class 100 takes his attacks to the chin and doesn't even budges after he knocked Drax out.
Originally posted by Evolve
Firelord vs Drax (dumb version). Takes a pounding from Drax without really wanting to fight back.Firelord vs Loki and his forces.
Firelord wasn't even KOed by Drax.
Spiderman KOed him.
Spiderman is above skyfather.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Firelord wasn't even KOed by Drax.Spiderman KOed him.
Spiderman is above skyfather.
http://i.imgur.com/7WhiBVk.jpg
Originally posted by abhilegend
They say surfer has super-speed..............
Suffice to say that beating Firelord is a minor feat for DeFalco's spider-man. But hey, She-Hulk is skyfather level too probably.
http://i.imgur.com/GG52y5c.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ycimIl0.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/LeLc5w5.jpg
Drax outright admitted that she-hulk was FAR stronger than he was.
Thor too.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsDraxIronManWaspCap4.jpg
Notice how everyone and their mothers outmuscle Drax?
Originally posted by Pillow Biter
I don't really follow the logic here. It isn't about fair, it is about deciding what kind of debate we want to have: how fights SHOULD go or how they typically happen. Not sure there is really a middle ground.
It is about being fair. Being fair to the characters.
We want the characters to fight not just how they can, but also how they can without those moments when they suddenly forget their powers.
We lean more towards how they should go. We just don't pretend that these characters are user avatars.
Yes, but sometimes is hard to say what is CIS and what is PIS.
Some guys have so many powers that they almost never use that. But if you say it is "CIS", then we have to assume the guy is just DUMB. Sometimes he really is, but others time, we know he is not. Then, it is PIS.
But in some threads in this forum, if you say a guy will use his powers in a PIS less fight, some say it is "out of character".
Lets say...there is really no reason at all to Thor dont use Godblast against his enemys. Even against enemys who are close to destroy the earth or kill a lot people, he dont use. The main reason is the plot. Thor comes and one shot a villan is no fun. If he use a godblast in a forum fight, it is "out of his character"
@ abhilegend...
That scan of Mar-Vell and The Stranger is utterly horrifying.
Namely the bottom panel where Mar-Vell appears about to be subjected to an oral violation by Stranger. Followed by Stranger dropping a monologue bomb about spanning the universe for exotic stimulation. 😕
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/14079680/captainmarvel_42_13.jpg.html
Originally posted by eaebiakuyaGodblast would straight kill most enemies.
Yes, but sometimes is hard to say what is CIS and what is PIS.Some guys have so many powers that they almost never use that. But if you say it is "CIS", then we have to assume the guy is just DUMB. Sometimes he really is, but others time, we know he is not. Then, it is PIS.
But in some threads in this forum, if you say a guy will use his powers in a PIS less fight, some say it is "out of character".
Lets say...there is really no reason at all to Thor dont use Godblast against his enemys. Even against enemys who are close to destroy the earth or kill a lot people, he dont use. The main reason is the plot. Thor comes and one shot a villan is no fun. If he use a godblast in a forum fight, it is "out of his character"
Thor ain't no murderer.
Originally posted by -Pr-
It is about being fair. Being fair to the characters.We want the characters to fight not just how they can, but also how they can without those moments when they suddenly forget their powers.
We lean more towards how they should go. We just don't pretend that these characters are user avatars.
Some characters typically forget most of their powers. Are you okay with rating characters higher in fights than than the writers normally do?
Should a Martian Manhunter actually be the number one stunner? Should Flash be a heavyweight instead of the middleweight he normally is?
Originally posted by Pillow Biter
Some characters typically forget most of their powers. Are you okay with rating characters higher in fights than than the writers normally do?Should a Martian Manhunter actually be the number one stunner? Should Flash be a heavyweight instead of the middleweight he normally is?
Originally posted by Pillow Biter
Some characters typically forget most of their powers. Are you okay with rating characters higher in fights than than the writers normally do?Should a Martian Manhunter actually be the number one stunner? Should Flash be a heavyweight instead of the middleweight he normally is?
I would say a bit of both.
Manhunter should be considered a class A telepath. But folks should also point out that, in character, he often forgets to use this power during stressful and complex battle scenarios.
Then both sides should debate the likelihood of Manhunter remembering to use said specific power against the foe at hand.
Thus allowing for debate of both power-set and personality.
Often powers don't get used for reasons that can't be explained "in comics". CIS doesn't cover it. Surfer, contrary to popular opinion, doesn't tend to just blast and punch with the occasional use of shields because he is a lousy fighter. He does it because that is what makes for visually interesting fights--or even just interesting fights. If he transmuted people or stopped time, anyone without a cosmically versatile power set could never be a challenge to him.
The truth is that for the most part writers don't really care that much about how power sets match up in a fight. Characters have a certain pecking order and their fights tend to bear that out, regardless of whether their power sets actually match up well against another guy. Of course exceptions abound, but by and large that is how it works. When Hulk fights a speedster, or a ranged flyer, he'll find a way to tag him. When Superman beats up Martian Manhunter, he'll find a way to punch him hard despite J'onn being, in theory, pretty much immune to punching via intangibility and a completely fluid physical structure.
Originally posted by Zack Fair
Godblast would straight kill most enemies.Thor ain't no murderer.
But he wont use, even he is trying to kill it. He dont used against Death Sentry, Serpent, Gorr, etc.
Even if he is going for the kill, he wont use. In the battle against Thanos, the Titan was close to beat then and destroy the Earth. And he dont used, etc.
This is PIS, not CIS.
In not saying he should use it all times. But he could have used many times and was stoped by the plot.
Originally posted by jaxthejester
@ abhilegend...That scan of Mar-Vell and The Stranger is utterly horrifying.
Namely the bottom panel where Mar-Vell appears about to be subjected to an oral violation by Stranger. Followed by Stranger dropping a monologue bomb about spanning the universe for exotic stimulation. 😕
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/14079680/captainmarvel_42_13.jpg.html
Originally posted by eaebiakuya
But he wont use, even he is trying to kill it. He dont used against Death Sentry, Serpent, Gorr, etc.Even if he is going for the kill, he wont use. In the battle against Thanos, the Titan was close to beat then and destroy the Earth. And he dont used, etc.
This is PIS, not CIS.
In not saying he should use it all times. But he could have used many times and was stoped by the plot.
Reading this reminds me of how Russians speak in the initial stages of trying to become fluent in english. Are you from over that way?
Originally posted by Pillow Biter
Some characters typically forget most of their powers. Are you okay with rating characters higher in fights than than the writers normally do?Should a Martian Manhunter actually be the number one stunner? Should Flash be a heavyweight instead of the middleweight he normally is?
Out of curiosity, have you read our rules? We go in to this kind of thing in a fair bit of detail.
With the Flash, we don't treat him like a god. We do take in to account that he shouldn't trip over random rocks just because the writer needs him to, though.
Martian Manjobber? Really? Even accounting for PIS and how they love to worf-effect him as much as they do Superman, there's still J'onn himself to take in to account.
Like I said before, we don't reduce these people to powersets.
