Originally posted by StealthRangerAlready proved it with one Fiendfyre. They can't stop them.
Quanchi, you were the one who claimed that Death Eater>Helm's Deep, so don't cry about "that not being the point of this thread"Well come on, where did I say that? Show it coward
No, just steel and wood shields, overpenetrate, stone walls are clearly going to be very thick
Not now, kid.
Potter magic would annihilate the weaker Helms Deep. Sorry.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The video was not edited for time. My movie shows the same time lapse. There isn't one second and then Gollum dies anyway. 🙂
Pfft! You just can't count.
Originally posted by quanchi112
We see axe cannot do so thus Horcruxes have greater resistance feats, Beiber.That is your problem that we don't see greater feats not mine. 😂
Do you even realise what you just said?
How does the axe, by NOT destroying the ring, prove that Horxruxes have greater durability? This is backassward logic right here....
Originally posted by quanchi112
Sword of Gryffyndor destroys Horcruxes which the potter magic cannot thus proved. Potter magic can destroy structures such as Hogwarts whereas gillis axe cannot. That's proof whizzing about your face.
Except no spell ever did so in any HP movie.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Greater feats of power. Hogwarts shield incineration of bodies and resistance of hundreds if not thousands of blasts. Feats matter, Beiber.
Except the fact that the shield disintegrates bodies does not denote durability, fool.
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroIrony. I posted a video proving it. Post evidence otherwise you're just making things up.
Pfft! You just can't count.Do you even realise what you just said?
How does the axe, by NOT destroying the ring, prove that Horxruxes have greater durability? This is backassward logic right here....
Except no spell ever did so in any HP movie.
Except the fact that the shield disintegrates bodies does not denote durability, fool.
Greater magic has been unable to destroy the Horcrux that would destroy the axe. Point proven.
Are you unfamiliar with the potter films ? I guess you missed entire scenes.
The fact it withstood hundreds or thousands of bolts does, Beiber.
It is also very powerful and more so than any Lotr magic thus seen.
😂
Originally posted by quanchi112
he still beat him and Ali barely beat him the other times. Who cares.If someone had to wear the Horcruxes for that long I see no reason why not. The ring was resisted after years of influence. 😂 no matter how badly you try you can't escape it.
It shows how easily it can be resisted by Bilbo and how quickly Gollum can forget about it.
So you're saying the great Voldemort can't stop one Dementor ?
Rowling can have her opinion but she isn't the director nor did every scene from the book play out the same way in the films. Horrible.
People feared Voldemort far more than Dementors. Don't eve compare the two. Voldemort was the great wizard so to pretend one Dementor can defeat him is ridiculous.
No, it wasn't. Gandalf died so it was not that great of an accomplishment.
Harry still peered into his mind in the final film. Quit pretending he didn't. He clearly did along with a lot of help.
No, it is great power. At no point is it weakness exploitation. Silly claim.
The basilisk venom is power not weakness exploitation.
You just make things up due to your lack of comprehension skills.
Except we see that you don't have to wear horcruxes for decades in order to wear down their influence. That much can be done within a matter of weeks, as demonstrated by the weak-willed individual like yourself known as Ron Weaseley.🙂
Bilbo never resisted it. It kept him under its dark influence for decades. Gollum was obsessed with it for decades even after it was removed from his person. Ultimately, it influence on him was so powerful that he was willing to die along with it. No horcrux has ever displayed such a potent form of corruption/manipulation.
Unless shown on-screen, I don't believe it. Maybe there is some curse or dark magic which enables him to control them, but it's speculation at this point.
Rowling was the producer of the final installment of the HP series. She is also the creator of the HPverse. Her opinion counts, far more than yours.
What the heck are you talking about, boy? Dementors are the very embodiment of fear in the HPverse. Heck, fear and despair are the 2 emotional states which they literally feed upon. Their mere presence broke down most of Voldy's former lieutenants in Azkaban. Harry's boggart took the shape of a Dementor instead of Voldemort. Why was that?
Hell, Voldemort is so feared that every 2nd character we see on-screen speaks out his feared unspeakable name, lol. Harry even mocked him by calling him his real name. The guy is so freaking insecure, he has to cast a hex on his name to prevent people from speaking it out loud lol.
Gandalf died battling a powerful dark creature. And that wasn't even Gandalf at his best. Awesome showing.
He never did so to find out the location of any of the horcruxes. They did that using their own intelligence.
So if kryptonite is mentioned as being one of the few substances which can kill Superman, it means kryptonite possesses vast, unspeakable power? Great logic there.
My claims are in line with what the series itself showed us on-screen, unlike you who denies the very Word of God when spoken by the creator of HPlore in the form of JK Rowling.
Originally posted by EpicurusThey were all close matchups so these guys were definitely peers.
Ali beat Frazier in both their rematches. 2 out of 3, baby. 2 out of 3.Except we see that you don't have to wear horcruxes for decades in order to wear down their influence. That much can be done within a matter of weeks, as demonstrated by the weak-willed individual like yourself known as Ron Weaseley.🙂
Bilbo never resisted it. It kept him under its dark influence for decades. Gollum was obsessed with it for decades even after it was removed from his person. Ultimately, it influence on him was so powerful that he was willing to die along with it. No horcrux has ever displayed such a potent form of corruption/manipulation.
Unless shown on-screen, I don't believe it. Maybe there is some curse or dark magic which enables him to control them, but it's speculation at this point.
Rowling was the producer of the final installment of the HP series. She is also the creator of the HPverse. Her opinion counts, far more than yours.
What the heck are you talking about, boy? Dementors are the very embodiment of fear in the HPverse. Heck, fear and despair are the 2 emotional states which they literally feed upon. Their mere presence broke down most of Voldy's former lieutenants in Azkaban. Harry's boggart took the shape of a Dementor instead of Voldemort. Why was that?
Hell, Voldemort is so feared that every 2nd character we see on-screen speaks out his feared unspeakable name, lol. Harry even mocked him by calling him his real name. The guy is so freaking insecure, he has to cast a hex on his name to prevent people from speaking it out loud lol.
Gandalf died battling a powerful dark creature. And that wasn't even Gandalf at his best. Awesome showing.
He never did so to find out the location of any of the horcruxes. They did that using their own intelligence.
So if kryptonite is mentioned as being one of the few substances which can kill Superman, it means kryptonite possesses vast, unspeakable power? Great logic there.
My claims are in line with what the series itself showed us on-screen, unlike you who denies the very Word of God when spoken by the creator of HPlore in the form of JK Rowling.
We see Frodo try to just give the ring away to Galadriel. 😆 😂
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=spHEw2n9LwE
He freely tries to give it away. What a weak thing. So when we compare the ring with short amounts of time the thing is freely attempted to be given away. You really have no idea about any of this stuff. I toy with you and release evidence to destroy you after I grow weary of you.
Bilbo gave it away. He was ignorant of its corruption and after a less than five minute conversation he gave it to Gandalf willingly. 💃
Gollum had the ring for years upon years as well but freely lost it. He also tried being good and resisting it until he believed that Frodo had betrayed him.
The Dementors were controlled by Lord Voldemort on screen. They were in his army pitted against the defense at Hogwarts. Point proven. Easily.
I don't care. There is no proof to the validity of her opinion. Her opinions regarding the books count but she isn't the director as the director changed many things from the books. Sorry, saying executive producer doesn't hold any weight here unless seen on screen. Quit being hypocritical.
That was prior to running into Voldemort. How could Harry fear a physical being he never really encountered that he could remember until gof.
At the end of the film he easily defeats the Dementors in groups. 😂
This is getting rather shallow and pathetic on your end.
People were afraid to cite his name right before they knew they were going to war with him. On screen and a fact.
The beast has no feats and it took him a while to fell the slow beast. We see him beaten with tk pushes by Saruman.
He used help, combined intelligence, and peering into Voldemort's mind as well. Quit ignoring the context, Abhilegend.
Knite is different than basilisk which destroys anything not just Horcruxes unlike Knite. 😂
Your logic is so silly it acts as if basilisk fangs can't destroy anything else. Poppycosh.
This is the film which is at points drastically different than the films. Movie feats only, Abhilegend.
Originally posted by quanchi112
They were all close matchups so these guys were definitely peers.
🙂We see Frodo try to just give the ring away to Galadriel. 😆 😂
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=spHEw2n9LwE
He freely tries to give it away. What a weak thing. So when we compare the ring with short amounts of time the thing is freely attempted to be given away. You really have no idea about any of this stuff. I toy with you and release evidence to destroy you after I grow weary of you.
Bilbo gave it away. He was ignorant of its corruption and after a less than five minute conversation he gave it to Gandalf willingly. 💃
Gollum had the ring for years upon years as well but freely lost it. He also tried being good and resisting it until he believed that Frodo had betrayed him.
The Dementors were controlled by Lord Voldemort on screen. They were in his army pitted against the defense at Hogwarts. Point proven. Easily.
I don't care. There is no proof to the validity of her opinion. Her opinions regarding the books count but she isn't the director as the director changed many things from the books. Sorry, saying executive producer doesn't hold any weight here unless seen on screen. Quit being hypocritical.
That was prior to running into Voldemort. How could Harry fear a physical being he never really encountered that he could remember until gof.
At the end of the film he easily defeats the Dementors in groups. 😂
This is getting rather shallow and pathetic on your end.People were afraid to cite his name right before they knew they were going to war with him. On screen and a fact.
The beast has no feats and it took him a while to fell the slow beast. We see him beaten with tk pushes by Saruman.
He used help, combined intelligence, and peering into Voldemort's mind as well. Quit ignoring the context, Abhilegend.
Knite is different than basilisk which destroys anything not just Horcruxes unlike Knite. 😂
Your logic is so silly it acts as if basilisk fangs can't destroy anything else. Poppycosh.
This is the film which is at points drastically different than the films. Movie feats only, Abhilegend.
Lol, what a spectacular way to make a backfiring point. Galadriel herself almost gave into the Ring's temptation in that scene and she wasn't even holding it, lol.
Bilbo did so after decades of influence, unlike the horcrux which was overcome by Ron Weasely in a week, lol.
Gollum was obsessed with it for decades and wanted it back. He died in the end simply to be with his "precious". Fact.
Nope, it was never shown that he used magic to control them. It's speculation. He could've easily just bribed them by offering more souls to feed on and less restrictions than the Ministry of Magic put on their activities. Under his rule, they were free to attack muggles, mudbloods and other wizard dissidents as they pleased, lol. They are his natural allies.
Yes there is. She's the producer of the DH movies. She also oversaw the script writing:
The first four, sixth and seventh films were scripted by Steve Kloves; Rowling assisted him in the writing process, ensuring that his scripts did not contradict future books in the series. She has said that she told him more about the later books than anybody else (prior to their release), but not everything.
http://www.accio-quote.org/articles/2003/0302-newsround-mzimba.htm
Yeah, and its not like Harry didn't show defiance of Voldy or outright thwarted him for the bazillionth time, lol. Harry's boggart is listed as being a Dementor in both the books and the series. Quit trying to twist and twaddle around the obvious.
From a safe distance, using weakness exploitation(patronuses are their weaknesses). Not to mention that his patronus has time and again been portrayed as the strongest one conjured of the bunch.
People were using his name freely even during the peak of his power, when he was supposed to be so feared nobody wanted to even think about him. He had to put a jinx on his name to prevent them from speaking it during his second takeover, lol.
The beast is a powerful dark creature which survived a fall thousands of feet deep and combated a powerful warlock in the form of Gandalf.
He never peered into Voldy's mind for intel on the horcruxes, you stinking, pig faced liar. They figured out the Gringotts vault, the Umbridge office and the Room of Requirement locations on their own.
Basilisk has other powers apart from the venom. Prove that it destroys anything when it couldn't even kill a prepubescent boy instantly. Kryptonite can also poison humans over a long period of time, but the effects on kryptonians is more readily visible. Hence weakness exploitation.
Basilisk venom couldn't destroy Gryffindor's sword even though it was impaled right through its mouth. Point proven.
It counts due to reasons previously mentioned. You being too dense to accept it is of no relevance here.
Originally posted by EpicurusIt doesn't matter as they were clearly peers. You painted the picture like it was domination but it was anything but domination. Context, Abhilegend.
He beat them in both. 2 out of 3, baby. 2 out of 3. Ali also KO'd him in the final fight unlike Frazier who failed to put him down in the 1st fight.Lol, what a spectacular way to make a backfiring point. Galadriel herself almost gave into the Ring's temptation in that scene and she wasn't even holding it, lol.
Bilbo did so after decades of influence, unlike the horcrux which was overcome by Ron Weasely in a week, lol.
Gollum was obsessed with it for decades and wanted it back. He died in the end simply to be with his "precious". Fact.
Nope, it was never shown that he used magic to control them. It's speculation. He could've easily just bribed them by offering more souls to feed on and less restrictions than the Ministry of Magic put on their activities. Under his rule, they were free to attack muggles, mudbloods and other wizard dissidents as they pleased, lol. They are his natural allies.
Yes there is. She's the producer of the DH movies. She also oversaw the script writing:
Lol at you claiming that her opinion carries no weight even though she oversaw the writing of the films. Claiming that her opinion has no validity in this simply because of a few miniscule changes made to the movie is like claiming that GRRM's opinions have no bearing on the Game of Thrones show because of a few miniscule changes made to the show. Even though he is not just an executive producer of the show, but a writing consultant like Rowling was for the HP films, lol.
Yeah, and its not like Harry didn't show defiance of Voldy or outright thwarted him for the bazillionth time, lol. Harry's boggart is listed as being a Dementor in both the books and the series. Quit trying to twist and twaddle around the obvious.
From a safe distance, using weakness exploitation(patronuses are their weaknesses). Not to mention that his patronus has time and again been portrayed as the strongest one conjured of the bunch.
People were using his name freely even during the peak of his power, when he was supposed to be so feared nobody wanted to even think about him. He had to put a jinx on his name to prevent them from speaking it during his second takeover, lol.
The beast is a powerful dark creature which survived a fall thousands of feet deep and combated a powerful warlock in the form of Gandalf.
He never peered into Voldy's mind for intel on the horcruxes, you stinking, pig faced liar. They figured out the Gringotts vault, the Umbridge office and the Room of Requirement locations on their own.
Basilisk has other powers apart from the venom. Prove that it destroys anything when it couldn't even kill a prepubescent boy instantly. Kryptonite can also poison humans over a long period of time, but the effects on kryptonians is more readily visible. Hence weakness exploitation.
Basilisk venom couldn't destroy Gryffindor's sword even though it was impaled right through its mouth. Point proven.
It counts due to reasons previously mentioned. You being too dense to accept it is of no relevance here.
So I post the link to a video displaying a hobbit willingly try to give the ring away after being under its culturing influence for some time and you say oh look she turned it down. No one ever said it wasn't tempting the point is at multiple points we see the temptation overcome. This video both proves someone with the ring can give it away with no hint of a threat to give it to her and that despite the allure of the power she also resisted. 😂
You continue to repeat yourself in typical chimpanzee fashion. It demonstrates your inadequacies as a debater more than anything. You also ignore the point of Frodo just want to give it away a few sentences up. I have you beat both ways.
😂
He was obsessed with the ring. He still lost it and still tried to be good until he felt betrayed. I already have enough examples showing people freely overcome the temptation both by their own free will and when threatened as well. You just keep restating yourself whereas I have posted evidence.
I couldn't care less. Voldemort still controlled them. They were always controlled by dominant wizards and suggesting bribery when we see a few wizards easily own them is something your small brain would conceive.
Her input was definitely considered but the director ultimately decides what works best for the big screen. There was many changes from the books and citing her opinion for the movies is more reaching. I remember when you tried emailing Alan Ball or someone. You're some child who begs people to do their thinking for him. Submission. You can't wait to submit to other people.
There were facts which altered his path afterwards. I can be afraid of some thing at age ten that doesn't mean I fear the same thing at 17. 😂
Harry easily defeated the Dementors but he fled from Voldemort thereafter or used others to fight for him. It is ridiculous to think the protagonist feared the Dementors more at the series end than Voldemort the series antagonist. 😂
We see Aberfoth also do so. 😂
The Dementors also have an easily exploitable weakness by Potter magic. 🙂
You concede this point to me. Glorious.
We see people were afraid to speak his name but ultimately did right before battle. People feared him. Clearly. They would be stupid not to. You trying to pretend that they didn't fear him is about as ridiculous as the bulk of your posting history.
You and this warlock business. It means nothing. Gandalf was still beaten by Saruman. Who cares if he survived a fall. He was soundly humiliated by Saruman's tk.
I never said he peered into his mind for all the Horcruxes I said he did so in the final film. That is true. Quit being so emotional. It makes you look very weak. Harry used intel from himself and various others along with peering into his mind. Context, Abhilegend.
We see it destroy other objects or be fatal to humans. Acting like it only works on Horcruxes is demonstrating minimal if any intelligence whatsoever.
No, as the rules simply state movie feats only.
The only exception is Star Trek and the series.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It doesn't matter as they were clearly peers. You painted the picture like it was domination but it was anything but domination. Context, Abhilegend.So I post the link to a video displaying a hobbit willingly try to give the ring away after being under its culturing influence for some time and you say oh look she turned it down. No one ever said it wasn't tempting the point is at multiple points we see the temptation overcome. This video both proves someone with the ring can give it away with no hint of a threat to give it to her and that despite the allure of the power she also resisted. 😂
You continue to repeat yourself in typical chimpanzee fashion. It demonstrates your inadequacies as a debater more than anything. You also ignore the point of Frodo just want to give it away a few sentences up. I have you beat both ways.
He was obsessed with the ring. He still lost it and still tried to be good until he felt betrayed. I already have enough examples showing people freely overcome the temptation both by their own free will and when threatened as well. You just keep restating yourself whereas I have posted evidence.
I couldn't care less. Voldemort still controlled them. They were always controlled by dominant wizards and suggesting bribery when we see a few wizards easily own them is something your small brain would conceive.
Her input was definitely considered but the director ultimately decides what works best for the big screen. There was many changes from the books and citing her opinion for the movies is more reaching. I remember when you tried emailing Alan Ball or someone. You're some child who begs people to do their thinking for him. Submission. You can't wait to submit to other people.
There were facts which altered his path afterwards. I can be afraid of some thing at age ten that doesn't mean I fear the same thing at 17.
Harry easily defeated the Dementors but he fled from Voldemort thereafter or used others to fight for him. It is ridiculous to think the protagonist feared the Dementors more at the series end than Voldemort the series antagonist.
We see Aberfoth also do so.
The Dementors also have an easily exploitable weakness by Potter magic. 🙂
You concede this point to me. Glorious.
We see people were afraid to speak his name but ultimately did right before battle. People feared him. Clearly. They would be stupid not to. You trying to pretend that they didn't fear him is about as ridiculous as the bulk of your posting history.
You and this warlock business. It means nothing. Gandalf was still beaten by Saruman. Who cares if he survived a fall. He was soundly humiliated by Saruman's tk.
I never said he peered into his mind for all the Horcruxes I said he did so in the final film. That is true. Quit being so emotional. It makes you look very weak. Harry used intel from himself and various others along with peering into his mind. Context, Abhilegend.
We see it destroy other objects or be fatal to humans. Acting like it only works on Horcruxes is demonstrating minimal if any intelligence whatsoever.
No, as the rules simply state movie feats only.
The only exception is Star Trek and the series.
You posted a link which hilarioulsy backfired in your face, considering that 1) Frodo ultimately failed to get rid of the Ring and 2) even Galadriel, LoTR's top Elf, was almost overtaken by the Ring's power despite having not once laid her hands on it and the fact that she already possesed the White Ring Nenya. LOL.
You calling anyone a repeating chimpanzee is the worst possible example of a pot calling the kettle black. 😆
Nope, you have not showed any example wherein someone directly no-sells the Ring's influence. Your Galadriel and Bilbo examples backfired straight in your face, so they don't count either. In the former we have the almighty elven queen almost being tainted by the Ring's influence despite not even laying hands on it. In the latter a prod from a powerful warlock is what takes to free a strong-willed hobbit from the Ring's decades long influence.
I couldn't care less that you couldn't care less. Provide evidence that he controlled them thorugh magic. When have any wizards not proficient in the Patronus charm ever owned them, lol? We already know that most of Voldy's underlings went mad in the Dementors care in Azkaban. We know that the kiss of the Dementor is the worst possible thing that can be done to someone in the HPverse, since it's worse than death and all that jazz.
You are an idiot of the highest order if you think that her making sure that the script didn't directly override the material from the books in those films is the same as her just providing input. If there were changes, then she approved of them because they were plot elements which didn't directly contradict the established canon from the books. Me citing her contributions to the movies isn't the same as me being a submissive little prick like you, Wormtail.
Except that the facts don't at all support your notion that he feared Voldy as much or more than the Dementors, since Harry was 13 when his fear of Dementors came to light, not 10. Considering that he actively thwarted Voldy in direct combat despite Vold having backup from a half dozen mages, while he had to hide behind a bush in order to take out the Dementors that nearly drained his past self and Sirius, lol. You're also completely ignoring the concept of phobias, since in the movies Ron Weasely has a phobia of spiders which manifests in his boggart. Same goes for Padma whose phobia is that of snakes. Since Dementors are the very predators of fear and despair in the series, Harry's fear of them can be seen as "fear of feat itself" kind of jazz. Which is the way Rowling and the movie makers intended it to be.
Harry did so while hiding behind a bush and using weakness exploitation, mon ami. Harry also overcame Vold despite the massive power gap and the additional half dozen DEs in the cemetery. His boggart was that of a Dementor, and you stubbornly insisting that it's not the case
We see Aberforth do what? Shove a goat up your ass, Wormtail?😂
Considering how hard it is to perform the Patronus charm and the fact that DEs can't perform it at all, it's not all that easy I'm afraid.🙂
Made-up fantasy concessions on your part don't count, Wormtail.👆
Why did he have to put up a jinx on his name then?
Yes it does, as both Gandalf and Saruman were powerful warlocks. Him surviving a thousands of feet deep fall is a very impressive physical durability feat, something which nobody in the HPverse has managed to replicate.
You made it sound as if them tracking down and destroying the horcruxes was done solely thanks to his psychic connection to Voldy. You flip-flop yet again. Predictable, coming from you Wormtail.
The venom failed to destroy Gryffindor's sword. Point proven.👆
Considering the active consulting and producing part which Rowling played in the movies, along with being the series creator, none of the forum rules discount her opinion of things.
Originally posted by Epicurus
Considering that Frazier got KO'd and lost 2 of their rematches, one fails to note how in the heck could he ever be a "peer" of Ali's, lol. I guess JDS is also Velasquez' peer despite the complete demolishing he received in both their rematches, lol.You posted a link which hilarioulsy backfired in your face, considering that 1) Frodo ultimately failed to get rid of the Ring and 2) even Galadriel, LoTR's top Elf, was almost overtaken by the Ring's power despite having not once laid her hands on it and the fact that she already possesed the White Ring Nenya. LOL.
You calling anyone a repeating chimpanzee is the worst possible example of a pot calling the kettle black. 😆
Nope, you have not showed any example wherein someone directly no-sells the Ring's influence. Your Galadriel and Bilbo examples backfired straight in your face, so they don't count either. In the former we have the almighty elven queen almost being tainted by the Ring's influence despite not even laying hands on it. In the latter a prod from a powerful warlock is what takes to free a strong-willed hobbit from the Ring's decades long influence.
I couldn't care less that you couldn't care less. Provide evidence that he controlled them thorugh magic. When have any wizards not proficient in the Patronus charm ever owned them, lol? We already know that most of Voldy's underlings went mad in the Dementors care in Azkaban. We know that the kiss of the Dementor is the worst possible thing that can be done to someone in the HPverse, since it's worse than death and all that jazz.
You are an idiot of the highest order if you think that her making sure that the script didn't directly override the material from the books in those films is the same as her just providing input. If there were changes, then she approved of them because they were plot elements which didn't directly contradict the established canon from the books. Me citing her contributions to the movies isn't the same as me being a submissive little prick like you, Wormtail.
Except that the facts don't at all support your notion that he feared Voldy as much or more than the Dementors, since Harry was 13 when his fear of Dementors came to light, not 10. Considering that he actively thwarted Voldy in direct combat despite Vold having backup from a half dozen mages, while he had to hide behind a bush in order to take out the Dementors that nearly drained his past self and Sirius, lol. You're also completely ignoring the concept of phobias, since in the movies Ron Weasely has a phobia of spiders which manifests in his boggart. Same goes for Padma whose phobia is that of snakes. Since Dementors are the very predators of fear and despair in the series, Harry's fear of them can be seen as "fear of feat itself" kind of jazz. Which is the way Rowling and the movie makers intended it to be.
Harry did so while hiding behind a bush and using weakness exploitation, mon ami. Harry also overcame Vold despite the massive power gap and the additional half dozen DEs in the cemetery. His boggart was that of a Dementor, and you stubbornly insisting that it's not the case
We see Aberforth do what? Shove a goat up your ass, Wormtail?😂
Considering how hard it is to perform the Patronus charm and the fact that DEs can't perform it at all, it's not all that easy I'm afraid.🙂
Made-up fantasy concessions on your part don't count, Wormtail.👆
Why did he have to put up a jinx on his name then?
Yes it does, as both Gandalf and Saruman were powerful warlocks. Him surviving a thousands of feet deep fall is a very impressive physical durability feat, something which nobody in the HPverse has managed to replicate.
You made it sound as if them tracking down and destroying the horcruxes was done solely thanks to his psychic connection to Voldy. You flip-flop yet again. Predictable, coming from you Wormtail.
The venom failed to destroy Gryffindor's sword. Point proven.👆
Considering the active consulting and producing part which Rowling played in the movies, along with being the series creator, none of the forum rules discount her opinion of things.
Their rivalry is epic. Their feud legendary. You act like it was this one aided stomp. It wasn't. It is just typical Abhilegend.
The point is he tried giving it away. She turned him down. It doubly failed. She denied the temptation. She resisted while Frodo still tried to give it away.
I debate based on evidence unlike you.
I never said the ring doesn't have zero influence but the same can be said of the Horcuxes when on their person. It has a toll. The thing is the ring has been on its user for years and resisted all the same. The queen and Frodo both resisted. Bilbo resisted after years of its influence with a simple parlor trick. Awful showing.
The films did override the books in multiple points. It is about making money not appeasing the writer. 😂 to act like Warner Bros. Was at her mercy for these films is hilarious. They bought the rights and valued her insight but she wasn't George Lucas over the Star Wars films when he owned them.
You are looking at the feat prior to his interaction with Voldemort and trying to claim he didn't overcome his fear of the Dementors by the series end. I didn't say he was ten I used that as an analogy you witless baboon. Voldemort had no aid from the other wizards. Harry fled. That's called running, amigo. Again, that was his specific fear which changed by the series end. Dementors were nothing to him anymore. Obvious is obvious.
The other De's weren't involved. Voldemort made sure it was one on one. So acting like they aided is lying. Harry didn't overcome his power and it was a test of willpower that was flawed due to having a piece of Voldemort living inside of him. 😂
Aberforth easily defeated a whole slew of Dementors.
Based on what ? Speculation on your end, again.
You conceded. I accepted.
They were weak compared to Potter wizards. Saruman beat the shit out of Gandalf. Energy shields. Gandalf couldn't even drop or fall from Isengard on his own. Hp characters can fly. 😂
No, I didn't. I said and gave all the circumstances and you ignored it, Abhilegend.
Again, WB owns the rights and decides not her.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Their rivalry is epic. Their feud legendary. You act like it was this one aided stomp. It wasn't. It is just typical Abhilegend.The point is he tried giving it away. She turned him down. It doubly failed. She denied the temptation. She resisted while Frodo still tried to give it away.
I debate based on evidence unlike you.
I never said the ring doesn't have zero influence but the same can be said of the Horcuxes when on their person. It has a toll. The thing is the ring has been on its user for years and resisted all the same. The queen and Frodo both resisted. Bilbo resisted after years of its influence with a simple parlor trick. Awful showing.
The films did override the books in multiple points. It is about making money not appeasing the writer. to act like Warner Bros. Was at her mercy for these films is hilarious. They bought the rights and valued her insight but she wasn't George Lucas over the Star Wars films when he owned them.
You are looking at the feat prior to his interaction with Voldemort and trying to claim he didn't overcome his fear of the Dementors by the series end. I didn't say he was ten I used that as an analogy you witless baboon. Voldemort had no aid from the other wizards. Harry fled. That's called running, amigo. Again, that was his specific fear which changed by the series end. Dementors were nothing to him anymore. Obvious is obvious.
The other De's weren't involved. Voldemort made sure it was one on one. So acting like they aided is lying. Harry didn't overcome his power and it was a test of willpower that was flawed due to having a piece of Voldemort living inside of him.
Aberforth easily defeated a whole slew of Dementors.
Based on what ? Speculation on your end, again.
You conceded. I accepted.
They were weak compared to Potter wizards. Saruman beat the shit out of Gandalf. Energy shields. Gandalf couldn't even drop or fall from Isengard on his own. Hp characters can fly.
No, I didn't. I said and gave all the circumstances and you ignored it, Abhilegend.
Again, WB owns the rights and decides not her.
She was almost taken over by the Ring's temptation. It's a high feat both ways; for the Ring since it almost overtook the great Galadriel herself and for Galadriel who managed to rise beyond the temptation. Galadriel also had the Nenya Ring at that point. Context.
False. You debate based on things you see through your fanboy goggles, not actual onscreen evidence.😂
Frodo failed to get rid of the Ring. Galadriel is one of the strongest willed persons in the LoTRverse plus she was also possessing the Ring of Adamant at that point. Context. Unlike Ron who overcame a horcrux in a matter of weeks without anyone else's aid, lol.😆
They didn't override the basic established rules of the HPverse is what I am saying, broski. Rowling also oversaw the writing of the scripts for the various movies apart from producing the Deathly Hallow sequels, so her opinion counts. Warner Bros had to concede certain demands from her, like all the actors be British and what not. Congratulations on pointing out the obvious when you say that the WB were at her mercy. You don't even think before making my point for me, lol.
Considering that when he did meet Voldemort, he didn't show fear but defiance and the will to fight instead, unlike the Dementors against whom he had to hide behind a bush to cast his spell, it would remain consistent that his fear of them is greater than his fear of Voldy. Prove that his boggart became Voldemort at the series end. Boggarts don't change unless one laughs at them to transform them into parodies, lol. I guess if Harry laughed at his, it would turn into Voldemort, lol.
The point is he still had backup in case something went wrong. And it did, in both instances in GoF and DH2. Heck, he needed to be hoisted up by his DEs after he and Potter went into a coma, lol. Despite all his backup, power and skill he failed to take down Harry, and ultimately got beaten by him.
Again, from a distance using a patronus. Aberforth is also Dumbledore's brother and a skilled wizard at that.👆
Based on the movies. Which you desperately need to watch again👇
I conceded nothing, mon ami. You need to get yourself checked for schizophrenia, since you're imagining things which don't happen in reality.
Potter mages have been owned by muggles, lol. Harry. Arianna(that was tragic but it still holds). Point proven.
Yes you did, Wormtail. You pretended as if Harry's psychic connection is the only thing which mattered, when in practically every case they figured out location based on intel they themselves gathered, their knowledge of Voldy's personality and how he operates along with the Gaunt history in general. How does it feel to flip-flop from post to post, Wormtail?
Venom couldn't destroy the G-Sword. It won't destroy the Ring.
Originally posted by EpicurusThat Ali has the slight edge in the rivalry and ko'd him. 😂
Frazier got KO'd in the final fight. He also never KO'd Ali in the first fight. What does that tell you?She was almost taken over by the Ring's temptation. It's a high feat both ways; for the Ring since it almost overtook the great Galadriel herself and for Galadriel who managed to rise beyond the temptation. Galadriel also had the Nenya Ring at that point. Context.
False. You debate based on things you see through your fanboy goggles, not actual onscreen evidence.😂
Frodo failed to get rid of the Ring. Galadriel is one of the strongest willed persons in the LoTRverse plus she was also possessing the Ring of Adamant at that point. Context. Unlike Ron who overcame a horcrux in a matter of weeks without anyone else's aid, lol.😆
They didn't override the basic established rules of the HPverse is what I am saying, broski. Rowling also oversaw the writing of the scripts for the various movies apart from producing the Deathly Hallow sequels, so her opinion counts. Warner Bros had to concede certain demands from her, like all the actors be British and what not. Congratulations on pointing out the obvious when you say that the WB were at her mercy. You don't even think before making my point for me, lol.
Considering that when he did meet Voldemort, he didn't show fear but defiance and the will to fight instead, unlike the Dementors against whom he had to hide behind a bush to cast his spell, it would remain consistent that his fear of them is greater than his fear of Voldy. Prove that his boggart became Voldemort at the series end. Boggarts don't change unless one laughs at them to transform them into parodies, lol. I guess if Harry laughed at his, it would turn into Voldemort, lol.
The point is he still had backup in case something went wrong. And it did, in both instances in GoF and DH2. Heck, he needed to be hoisted up by his DEs after he and Potter went into a coma, lol. Despite all his backup, power and skill he failed to take down Harry, and ultimately got beaten by him.
Again, from a distance using a patronus. Aberforth is also Dumbledore's brother and a skilled wizard at that.👆
Based on the movies. Which you desperately need to watch again👇
I conceded nothing, mon ami. You need to get yourself checked for schizophrenia, since you're imagining things which don't happen in reality.
Potter mages have been owned by muggles, lol. Harry. Arianna(that was tragic but it still holds). Point proven.
Yes you did, Wormtail. You pretended as if Harry's psychic connection is the only thing which mattered, when in practically every case they figured out location based on intel they themselves gathered, their knowledge of Voldy's personality and how he operates along with the Gaunt history in general. How does it feel to flip-flop from post to post, Wormtail?
Venom couldn't destroy the G-Sword. It won't destroy the Ring.
She was not overtaken. There was no almost. She resisted. Awful feat for the ring since she resisted its power. Her ring doesn't give her protection against the one ring. You clearly don't know what the word context even means, Abhilegend.
I posted evidence. Everything you criticized the Horcruxes for has had a worse showing in the Lotr films for the ring.
Frodo failed due to her resisting the ring. He still tried to give it away meaning he overcame its allure as well with it on. Her ring gave no protection against the one ring. Context. Quit just saying things that don't make a big of sense, Abhilegend.
She doesn't get the final say. That is the point. According to you versus matchups are pointless just email the people and ask them. Critical thinking. Quit avoiding it and try thinking for yourself. 😆
I didn't say her input wasn't valued but she didn't have the final say hence the differences between the two.
He went and hid behind a rock. Then he fled the scene. That is cowardice. He easily defeated a whole pack of Dementors. Comparing the series antagonist to the Prisoner of Azkaban villain he easily overcomes at the end is typical of you.
He never used the backup so you pointing our backup is incorrect. He wanted the fight between the two of them. You're a liar, Abhilegend. Context, Abhilegend.
Harry fled, had others fight for him, and wanted to cheat any way he could of a fair fight. You are trying to twist, Abhilegend.
Potter wizards use patronuses at a distance just like the Harry situation.
Irony. Hypocrisy. That is you. Rewatch them or watch them for the first time. Something.
The warlock known as Gandalf was hiding up a tree throwing pine cones of fire at random orcs. 😂
Use the upper wizards from Potter and they stomp the wizards from Lotr. That is the point. The Potter Magic is far superior in both a power and a versatility standpoint.
No, I didn't.
It didn't destroy the Gryffyndor sword due to it taking that in which makes it stronger. Context. Quit ignoring it.
You act as if the Sog was any other normal sword.
Originally posted by quanchi112
That Ali has the slight edge in the rivalry and ko'd him. 😂She was not overtaken. There was no almost. She resisted. Awful feat for the ring since she resisted its power. Her ring doesn't give her protection against the one ring. You clearly don't know what the word context even means, Abhilegend.
I posted evidence. Everything you criticized the Horcruxes for has had a worse showing in the Lotr films for the ring.
Frodo failed due to her resisting the ring. He still tried to give it away meaning he overcame its allure as well with it on. Her ring gave no protection against the one ring. Context. Quit just saying things that don't make a big of sense, Abhilegend.
She doesn't get the final say. That is the point. According to you versus matchups are pointless just email the people and ask them. Critical thinking. Quit avoiding it and try thinking for yourself. 😆
I didn't say her input wasn't valued but she didn't have the final say hence the differences between the two.
He went and hid behind a rock. Then he fled the scene. That is cowardice. He easily defeated a whole pack of Dementors. Comparing the series antagonist to the Prisoner of Azkaban villain he easily overcomes at the end is typical of you.
He never used the backup so you pointing our backup is incorrect. He wanted the fight between the two of them. You're a liar, Abhilegend. Context, Abhilegend.
Harry fled, had others fight for him, and wanted to cheat any way he could of a fair fight. You are trying to twist, Abhilegend.
Potter wizards use patronuses at a distance just like the Harry situation.
Irony. Hypocrisy. That is you. Rewatch them or watch them for the first time. Something.
The warlock known as Gandalf was hiding up a tree throwing pine cones of fire at random orcs.
Use the upper wizards from Potter and they stomp the wizards from Lotr. That is the point. The Potter Magic is far superior in both a power and a versatility standpoint.
No, I didn't.
It didn't destroy the Gryffyndor sword due to it taking that in which makes it stronger. Context. Quit ignoring it.
You act as if the Sog was any other normal sword.
Yes she was. The most glorious elf on Middle Earth, and even she nearly got corrupted into dark queen, while not even touching the Ring. Just imagine what would have happened if she'd touched it. Prove that her possession of Nenya didn't have anything to do with anything, even though it is supposed to provide protection against evil per canon LoTR lore.
You did nothing of the kind. Your own evidence also backfired in your face.
Frodo failed to give the Ring away. He tried so desperately to get rid of it, and still couldn't in the end. 😆
Her opinion on things which didn't occur in either books or movies counts though. Since she's an exec producer and oversees the scripts for the movies. Much like George RR Martin does for GoT.
Yes you did. You made it sound as if her opinion is completely invalid to use in the MvF, even though she actively contributed to the movie adaptions apart from just being their inspiration. Awful.
Wrong. He faced Voldemort head on despite being injured, having witnessed a friend's murder and the sheer power/skill gap between the 2. Balls of steel unlike the coward Voldemort who almost always prefers unfair fights. Harry defeated the Dementors while hiding behind a bush, from a safe distance.
The point is he still had it, and Harry clearly didn't trust him on his word that it would be a one-on-one match, considering what a liar Voldy's turned out to be before. You don't even know what you're talking about here, Wormtail.
Lol at Potter of all persons wanting to cheat against Voldy in a fair fight, when it was Voldy who tried to circumvent Lily's blood magic, tried use Lucius' wand to overcome their wand connection, and tried to acquire the Elder Wand(the most powerful weapon in Potterverse) just so he could vanquish Potter once and for all.
I am glad that you concede the point that a sufficiently skilled wizard needs to be at a safe distance in order to drive off a horde of dementors with a patronus.👆
Stop projecting your butthurt from never having watched the movies onto me. It's really unhealthy.👇
In the very same film, the warlock known as Gandalf took on an Orc army in the Necromancer's palace, and it took Sauron's power to finally best him. Awesome showing for a weaker version of Gandalf.
Only the strongest of the strongest bunch(which only number in 2 or 3 in HPverse), and even then it is highly debatable. To the point that giving either party more than a 6/10 win would be fanboy bias. Which you're quite well-known for, lol. Otherwise the average mage in the HPverse like Potter and Arianna get owned by muggles.
Yes you did.
Where was it mentioned that its absorption powers caused it to become immune to the venom? Either ways, that's proof that the venom only works on certain things, and not everything else due its power.
It was goblin-made. That was the only special trait. Going by your logic, Fleur Delacour's tiara shouldn't be affected by the venom since that too was goblin-made. Do you agree that the tiara could also tank the venom?
Originally posted by EpicurusTo try to belittle their rivalry or diminish it to a 2-1 win loss record is beyond ignorance. We don't forget the context of the matchups just to sell your trashy little points, Abhilegend.
Ali beat him in 2 out of 3 fights. That is all there really is to it.👆Yes she was. The most glorious elf on Middle Earth, and even she nearly got corrupted into dark queen, while not even touching the Ring. Just imagine what would have happened if she'd touched it. Prove that her possession of Nenya didn't have anything to do with anything, even though it is supposed to provide protection against evil per canon LoTR lore.
You did nothing of the kind. Your own evidence also backfired in your face.
Frodo failed to give the Ring away. He tried so desperately to get rid of it, and still couldn't in the end. 😆
Her opinion on things which didn't occur in either books or movies counts though. Since she's an exec producer and oversees the scripts for the movies. Much like George RR Martin does for GoT.
Yes you did. You made it sound as if her opinion is completely invalid to use in the MvF, even though she actively contributed to the movie adaptions apart from just being their inspiration. Awful.
Wrong. He faced Voldemort head on despite being injured, having witnessed a friend's murder and the sheer power/skill gap between the 2. Balls of steel unlike the coward Voldemort who almost always prefers unfair fights. Harry defeated the Dementors while hiding behind a bush, from a safe distance.
The point is he still had it, and Harry clearly didn't trust him on his word that it would be a one-on-one match, considering what a liar Voldy's turned out to be before. You don't even know what you're talking about here, Wormtail.
Lol at Potter of all persons wanting to cheat against Voldy in a fair fight, when it was Voldy who tried to circumvent Lily's blood magic, tried use Lucius' wand to overcome their wand connection, and tried to acquire the Elder Wand(the most powerful weapon in Potterverse) just so he could vanquish Potter once and for all.
I am glad that you concede the point that a sufficiently skilled wizard needs to be at a safe distance in order to drive off a horde of dementors with a patronus.👆
Stop projecting your butthurt from never having watched the movies onto me. It's really unhealthy.👇
In the very same film, the warlock known as Gandalf took on an Orc army in the Necromancer's palace, and it took Sauron's power to finally best him. Awesome showing for a weaker version of Gandalf.
Only the strongest of the strongest bunch(which only number in 2 or 3 in HPverse), and even then it is highly debatable. To the point that giving either party more than a 6/10 win would be fanboy bias. Which you're quite well-known for, lol. Otherwise the average mage in the HPverse like Potter and Arianna get owned by muggles.
Yes you did.
Where was it mentioned that its absorption powers caused it to become immune to the venom? Either ways, that's proof that the venom only works on certain things, and not everything else due its power.
It was goblin-made. That was the only special trait. Going by your logic, Fleur Delacour's tiara shouldn't be affected by the venom since that too was goblin-made. Do you agree that the tiara could also tank the venom?
No. If if she was overtaken she would have accepted the ring. She didn't. She passed the test. 😂
She resisted its allure. The ring failed. We see the ring on someone and he tried to give it away. 😂 we already have evidence of someone putting it on and trying to give it away. You made the claim so back your claim. I don't have to disprove your assertion. You first have to prove it. 😂
No, it proved people give it away freely or resist it altogether. Pathetic. I have other examples of people resisting it. Its fun destroying this myth of yours.
He failed only due to the fact the ring was resisted. The mere fact he tried to give it away destroys your own case. He was not threatened he tried to give it away.
No, it doesn't. That is fine for her but it doesn't override movie evidence. We go by movie feats only not the writers opinions on characters.
Movie feats only. Her opinion was in reference to the books.
No, he fled from him. He hid behind someone else as well. That is bravery according to you. Voldemort wanted a one on one fight unlike Harry. Repeating the lies or ignoring the evidence is very Abhilegend like. Harry overcame his fear of them while easily beating them. He overcame his fear throughout the progression of the movie.
In the midst of a fight Voldemort called his troops off. He literally showed him and wouldn't let anyone else interfere. Bellatrix asks permission to kill him but he denies her. That is a fact. Context, Abhilegend.
No, I do not since we see other wizards do right in front of them. The point is it is easy to do so before they get close.
I cite evidence whereas you state lies. 😂 Keep being delusional.
Gandalf used light to run from the Orc army. He tried escaping.
Sauron won't let him escape and crushes him. You ignore context and flat out lie. You are just like Abhilegend avoiding context and lashing out with misrepresentation after misrepresentation.
No,they do not. Not at all. The average mages crush the muggles. To suggest otherwise is just silly. Magic>>>normal human beings.
No, I didn't.
It takes in that which makes it stronger. It is a property of the sword. 😂
Ignorance thy name is epidural.
Being goblin made is a feat in itself. They craft greatness it's like ignoring that and the properties in an attempt to down play it, Abhilegend.
The Sog isn't the tiara. The specific trait was explained for the Sog.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Greater destruction feats than the ring has resistance feats.I win.
BAHAHAHA! That's seriously your argument?
THe Lotr universe has many mythical creatures, some supernatural and venomous like the Basilisk. Yet only Mt Doom can destroy the ring in that universe. What makes you think the Basilisk fang can? Because he destroyed the Horcruxes? Wake up! Snake fang destroyed Voldermort's horcruxes, he has an obsession with snakes so it is no doubt that there is that connection. And the RIng is not a Horcrux as much as you may want it to be, I admit their principle is the same but they do not have the same weaknesses.
COme at me with an intelligent argument.
Originally posted by Dramatic GeckoDespite all your babble the best resistance feat you have is an axe. Potter magic is far greater than an axe. Basilisk fangs are very powerful.
BAHAHAHA! That's seriously your argument?THe Lotr universe has many mythical creatures, some supernatural and venomous like the Basilisk. Yet only Mt Doom can destroy the ring in that universe. What makes you think the Basilisk fang can? Because he destroyed the Horcruxes? Wake up! Snake fang destroyed Voldermort's horcruxes, he has an obsession with snakes so it is no doubt that there is that connection. And the RIng is not a Horcrux as much as you may want it to be, I admit their principle is the same but they do not have the same weaknesses.
COme at me with an intelligent argument.
I agree they are not the same as the ring is far more of a liability than the Horcruxes. The ring is also less durable than the Horcruxes. Your logic is ridiculous and doesn't apply to other fictional universes so it is inherently flawed.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Despite all your babble the best resistance feat you have is an axe. Potter magic is far greater than an axe. Basilisk fangs are very powerful.I agree they are not the same as the ring is far more of a liability than the Horcruxes. The ring is also less durable than the Horcruxes. Your logic is ridiculous and doesn't apply to other fictional universes so it is inherently flawed.
One scene with the axe is your proof? Elrond and Gandalf didn't even try and they are way stronger then a Basilisk ("waiting for no there not" comeback). HArry stabbed the stupid snake in the face with a sword and it died. Talk about durability feats. Ring can tank weapons, Basilisk can't. It is also said by Elrond: The ring cannot be destroyed, Gimli, son of Gloin, by any craft that we here possess. The ring was made in the fires of Mount Doom. Only there can it be unmade. As Gandalf was among them, there is nothing in the whole Potterverse (except maybe Death) that can harm the ring.