What does formidable have to do with the Ring? Yes, Balrog could dozens of orcs. But that shows nothing but them being stronger than orcs, which doesn't help the 'how strong are they in opposition to the ring" topic.
Well they were listing their options to destroy the ring, so why would they think of Sauron? And tbh they wouldn't even know if he could or couldn't do so.
Originally posted by BloodRainHe is strong enough to lay waste to structures the orcs couldn't begin to weather.
What does formidable have to do with the Ring? Yes, Balrog could dozens of orcs. But that shows nothing but them being stronger than orcs, which doesn't help the 'how strong are they in opposition to the ring" topic.Well they were listing their options to destroy the ring, so why would they think of Sauron? And tbh they wouldn't even know if he could or couldn't do so.
The only manner in which anyone can due to the magic used in this verse is in Mount Doom.
Originally posted by BloodRainI am saying by comparison Sauron is at the top of the food chain.
I already said he's stronger than them. And as said, are you saying that it's level of attack is one of the top things in the verse?Point is they wouldnt know. And I'm curious to movie Sauron's top showings.
So you have no idea. Figures.
Best feats I recall from LotR trilogy:
-Balrog smashes large rock chunks off the wall.
-Gandalf possible survives.
-Balrog and Gandalf fall a great distance.
-Sauron smacks 10 men around.
-Wizards magically destroying staves and TK throwing people.
2 strength feats on a low ton level, 2 survival feats on that level.
2+ magical feats on a human-level.
Best feats I recall from TP:
-K.Bulbin smacks a huge animal around.
-Link tanks.
-Gorons throw each other around and punch through rocks easily.
-Link tanks.
-TwiBeasts tank bomb blasts.
-Link throws Gorons around.
-Link throws Dangoro around.
-Link smashes a huge ice chunk.
-Link smashes a two-story ice chunk across the room.
-Ganondorf equals Link
-Ganon runs through stone pillars.
-Midna tanks.
-Midna telekinetically lifts a 3 story rock and rock bridge.
-Midna destroys a castle.
-Ganondorf survives.
-Ganondorf throwing around strong magic blasts, along with other magic beings.
-Ganondorf creates a castle sized barrier.
-Ganondorf drapes Twilight over Hyrule.
-Zant uses Ganondorf's power to local-scale reality warp.
4 strength feats on a low ton level, 5 survival feats on that level.
4 strength feats on a higher level, 4 survival feats on that level.
1+ magical feast on a low-superhuman level.
2 magical feats on a low building level.
3 magical feats on a castle level.
1 magical feat on a kingdom level.
When I say 'not impressive' I don't mean in a way compared to ours. Compared to other worlds, like one with greater showings? Yeah, in that sense its not impressive.
So is that the only feat he has to offer? A single strength feat? No magical, speed or durability ones?
Originally posted by BloodRainWe have to compare the similar attacks and Sauron is a lot more impressive than Link or Dorf.
Best feats I recall from LotR trilogy:
-Balrog smashes large rock chunks off the wall.
-Gandalf possible survives.
-Balrog and Gandalf fall a great distance.
-Sauron smacks 10 men around.
-Wizards magically destroying staves and TK throwing people.[b]2 strength feats on a low ton level, 2 survival feats on that level.
2+ magical feats on a human-level.Best feats I recall from TP:
-K.Bulbin smacks a huge animal around.
-Link tanks.
-Gorons throw each other around and punch through rocks easily.
-Link tanks.
-TwiBeasts tank bomb blasts.
-Link throws Gorons around.
-Link throws Dangoro around.
-Link smashes a huge ice chunk.
-Link smashes a two-story ice chunk across the room.
-Ganondorf equals Link
-Ganon runs through stone pillars.
-Midna tanks.
-Midna telekinetically lifts a 3 story rock and rock bridge.
-Midna destroys a castle.
-Ganondorf survives.
-Ganondorf throwing around strong magic blasts, along with other magic beings.
-Ganondorf creates a castle sized barrier.
-Ganondorf drapes Twilight over Hyrule.
-Zant uses Ganondorf's power to local-scale reality warp.4 strength feats on a low ton level, 5 survival feats on that level.
4 strength feats on a higher level, 4 survival feats on that level.
1+ magical feast on a low-superhuman level.
2 magical feats on a low building level.
3 magical feats on a castle level.
1 magical feat on a kingdom level.When I say 'not impressive' I don't mean in a way compared to ours. Compared to other worlds, like one with greater showings? Yeah, in that sense its not impressive.
So is that the only feat he has to offer? A single strength feat? No magical, speed or durability ones? [/B]
Originally posted by BloodRainI compared them directly. In that regard Sauron is undeniably more powerful with is weapon than they both are.
Why? You asked why I didn't find the tier the Balrog and Gandalf belong to isn't impressive, and I told you; because all the feats are both less in number and lower in power than in TP.This was a way you were saying Sauron was impressive, by comparing to them.
Originally posted by BloodRainI said comparing weapons to weapons. Link swinging his sword doesn't knock two men away this distance let alone all the men Sauron knocks back. The same goes for Dorf.
Why? The top physical feat is knocking 10 men away, or comparing to Balrog smashing some rocks.Compare to both Link throwing Gorons, or better smacking a massive massive ice block around.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, it is due to the fact he can still be overcome.I was not proven wrong.
How so ?
He can't tank swords so I don't believe that is the case. Ring is far more durable than his flesh.
No, you quite clearly stated that magic = tanking nukes, regardless of feats. Magic doesn't have to obey physical laws.
Too bad for the Ring that the Master Sword dispels magic, huh? And being evil certainly isn't doing it any favors.
Originally posted by The ScenarioI said that was my opinion but it was speculative.
No, you quite clearly stated that magic = tanking nukes, regardless of feats. Magic doesn't have to obey physical laws.Too bad for the Ring that the Master Sword dispels magic, huh? And being evil certainly isn't doing it any favors.
It didn't dispel the executioners sword just that sissy Dorf when it went inside his girlish frame.
Originally posted by quanchi112Strange. Because it sounds like you're saying Link does have the strength so smack massive ice chunks around.. but somehow he loses that strength when you place a sword in his hand.
I said comparing weapons to weapons. Link swinging his sword doesn't knock two men away this distance let alone all the men Sauron knocks back. The same goes for Dorf.
Strange indeed.
Originally posted by BloodRainHe doesn't have the strength to drive someone actively resisting him back that far.
Strange. Because it sounds like you're saying Link does have the strength so smack massive ice chunks around.. but somehow he loses that strength when you place a sword in his hand.Strange indeed.
You can't use abc logic when we see him swing his sword. 😂