Originally posted by BloodRainSo weight doesn't matter now ? You abandon logic at every turn. More weight equals more force, sport.
What does weight of the weapon matter when we already know the force?This is like saying a punch from Sauron is like a drunken brawler as he's never shown all of that 10-man-launching power in his hands without his mace.
...Okay, read my post again. Slowly this time. Let it really sink in.
Whether one uses a carton of juice or swings a car around, if we see the final form of the force, what it weighs is less important (as knowing the weight serves only the purpose of determine the force, which we already have, meaning its useless info (unless the main feat is listing said weapon)). E.g:
Sauron swings a giant mace around with the force to smack ten men around.
The force here is how Sauron applies it, in this case the results we see of smacking them away.
Same as;
Link swings a metal ball around with the force to smack a giant ice chink around.
Also: This is like saying a punch from Sauron is like a drunken brawler as he's never shown all of that 10-man-launching power in his hands without his mace.
Do you agree with this?
Originally posted by BloodRainThe weight is still a factor as well. You can't ignore this and pretend weight doesn't matter. Sauron is vastly stronger than Link who can be parried all game.
...Okay, read my post again. Slowly this time. Let it really sink in.Whether one uses a carton of juice or swings a car around, if we see the final form of the force, what it weighs is less important (as knowing the weight serves only the purpose of determine the force, which we already have, meaning its useless info (unless the main feat is listing said weapon)). E.g:
Sauron swings a giant mace around with the force to smack ten men around.
The force here is how Sauron applies it, in this case the results we see of smacking them away.
Same as;
Link swings a metal ball around with the force to smack a giant ice chink around.
Also: This is like saying a punch from Sauron is like a drunken brawler as he's never shown all of that 10-man-launching power in his hands without his mace.
Do you agree with this?
...one more time, for those that didn't pay attention;
Weight is a factor in determining force.
But we already have the force.
So while weight is useful, its nothing to take note of because we already have the final force delivered
Its redundant.
Also: This is like saying a punch from Sauron is like a drunken brawler as he's never shown all of that 10-man-launching power in his hands without his mace.
Do you agree with this?
Originally posted by BloodRainYou can't have it both ways. Link can't do what Sauron can with similar weighted objects. Point proven.
...one more time, for those that didn't pay attention;Weight is a factor in determining force.
But we already have the force.
So while weight is useful, its nothing to take note of [b]because we already have the final force delivered
Its redundant.
Also: This is like saying a punch from Sauron is like a drunken brawler as he's never shown all of that 10-man-launching power in his hands without his mace.
Do you agree with this? [/B]
Originally posted by BloodRainWrong since his magic and the weapon were both needed. With Link he can be parried left and right.
You're right, he does far more with lighter weapons~~"Also: This is like saying a punch from Sauron is like a drunken brawler as he's never shown all of that 10-man-launching power in his hands without his mace.
Do you agree with this?"
Stop running from me.
Oh no no no, don't try to deviate the topic on me. Stay on track.
You're saying that Link has the strength to swing a weapon and produce massive force, but are then saying that he cannot apply this strength to anything else.
To counter, I'm saying the exact same for Sauron.
So does Sauron magically lose all strength when not holding a mace?
Originally posted by BloodRainHe can use force but not with a sword to create the force Sauron created.
Oh no no no, don't try to deviate the topic on me. Stay on track.You're saying that Link has the strength to swing a weapon and produce massive force, but are then saying that he cannot apply this strength to anything else.
To counter, I'm saying the exact same for Sauron.
So does Sauron magically lose all strength when not holding a mace?
No, since that is the only weapon he used. It is ridiculous but it doesn't matter as we compare the mace to a sword.
Originally posted by BloodRainI never said he loses his strength he just doesn't have the force of an object that weighs more.
Give me one logical reason why he loses his strength when using a sword instead.Especially when saying Sauron wouldn't lose any.
Sauron doesn't need something that he can barely lift like Link to really pack force due to the objects weight, mostly.
Originally posted by BloodRainThe other weapons weigh less.
Which means you're saying the force exerted to swing said weapon and produce the feat cannot be used on another weapon, even through the same amount of force :lRemember, the force required comes from the person no matter what. Strength -> medium/weapon -> external force.
Yes, but the weapon weighs more which means more force.
He can't do so with the ms. 😂
Originally posted by BloodRainYes, but the weight also factors into the question and it's significantly less than his arm and the sword. That's the point, sport.
Quan, that's not how force works. At all. Just because you don't understand it doesn't make it false.Simple question; Where does the force to knock the men or the ice come from? Hint; the impact zone.
Originally posted by BloodRainAre you asking me which lever this is when it comes to force such as first class, second class, third class ? That is silly.
That's right, the answer to the impact zone that releases the force is " the weapon".Next question. Where does the force come from to swing said weapon which releases the total force?
Point is strength plus weight is the force which is greater with the other weapons than with his master sword. Undeniable.