Star Wars: The Force Awakens

Originally posted by quanchi112
Trust me it'll work. I get what you're saying in terms of originality but I never loved the ot's and I'm really excited for this. I have a feeling it's going to greatly differ but we don't have that much longer to wait to find out.

Well, that's kinda the rub. My three favorite Star Wars stories/eras are the PT, OT, and NJO precisely because, despite common elements to keep everything feeling like Star Wars, it's pretty substantially different in terms of theme, narrative, characters, etc.

Not just superficial, cosmetic alterations. For example, Abrams saying the Knights of Ren aren't Sith is a step in the right direction, but I have a gut feeling that they'll be substantively the same. Which is just cheap and boring, honestly.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Well, that's kinda the rub. My three favorite Star Wars stories/eras are the PT, OT, and NJO precisely because, despite common elements to keep everything feeling like Star Wars, it's pretty substantially different in terms of theme, narrative, characters, etc.

Not just superficial, cosmetic alterations. For example, Abrams saying the Knights of Ren aren't Sith is a step in the right direction, but I have a gut feeling that they'll be substantively the same. Which is just cheap and boring, honestly.

People chastised the ending of Star Trek: Into Darkness for all the flipped events and similarities between it and Wrath of Khan. To me the film worked and every Khan line came from the lips of a god. It was perfect. Point is I won't care as much as the films era to be totally unique as much as does the film get me emotionally involved and does it deliver.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Well it depends on the philosophical differences from a Sith to a Knight of the Ren. We both k ow they are the villains if the film so in that sense they will be the same. You've said this before so I know the era difference you want to be totally know and I chartered territory. To me it's this simple it either works or it doesn't.

People chastised the ending of Star Trek: Into Darkness for all the flipped events and similarities between it and Wrath of Khan. To me the film worked and every Khan line came from the lips of a god. It was perfect. Point is I won't care as much as the films era to be totally unique as much as does the film get me emotionally involved and does it deliver.

Well, I don't mind similarities. In fact, I expect them. Certain enduring conventions and elements, etc. But to me, to essentially repackage a story-- however good that story is-- and try to pass it off as something totally new and unique is just weak writing.

If you're going to do that, you should just do a reboot. Which is what the new Star Trek films were. If Abrams wanted to reboot the OT for a modern audience, that's cool. Just don't be cheap and disingenuous by throwing on some different names in an attempt to pass it off as something new.

Star Wars is overburdened with people and stories trying to retell the story of the PT and OT. I respect someone with the balls to stand up and say, let's do something different.

The first KotOR game is a good example of a story that had similarities to the PT/OT, but did things very differently.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Well, I don't mind similarities. In fact, I expect them. Certain enduring conventions and elements, etc. But to me, to essentially repackage a story-- however good that story is-- and try to pass it off as something totally new and unique is just weak writing.

If you're going to do that, you should just do a reboot. Which is what the new Star Trek films were. If Abrams wanted to reboot the OT for a modern audience, that's cool. Just don't be cheap and disingenuous by throwing on some different names in an attempt to pass it off as something new.

Star Wars is overburdened with people and stories trying to retell the story of the PT and OT. I respect someone with the balls to stand up and say, let's do something different.

The first KotOR game is a good example of a story that had similarities to the PT/OT, but did things very differently.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I think Abrams is smart enough to not do this to the Star Wars fan base as they are crazy obsessed with continuity and what came prior to this. I already love the rumors I've heard (I have tried to avoid spoilers) but I heard the legacy characters don't have major roles which means when we see them we will really appreciate it and their time has passed and this is about the newer generation with them still in there but not in a starring or film time hogging capacity. We already know Kylo Ren is the inverse of Luke Skywalker so that's different as well. I'm telling you Abrams will hit this ****er out of the park. You'll be wishing he was coming back for episode nine.

Perhaps, but I think there's plenty of reason to be skeptical. Snoke himself is a perfect example. We already had a Mysterious Manipulative Dark Side Big Bad who Wanted To Rule The Galaxy and commanded Fleets of Star Destroyers and TIE Fighters and shit. Why begin with a character whose conceit is suspiciously close to the conceit of the Big Bad from the previous 6 movies?

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Perhaps, but I think there's plenty of reason to be skeptical. Snoke himself is a perfect example. We already had a Mysterious Manipulative Dark Side Big Bad who Wanted To Rule The Galaxy and commanded Fleets of Star Destroyers and TIE Fighters and shit. Why begin with a character whose conceit is suspiciously close to the conceit of the Big Bad from the previous 6 movies?

Abrams also has a proven track record with mega sci fi franchises. He made Trek matter again and it's never had even one half the following Star Wars has. Abrams get Star Wars and I think the higher ups at Disney along with Abrams understand the intelligence and ultra geekiness of the fans that passing off a generic replica won't cut it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We do not know enough though and I have this odd feeling Snoke might get killed in this film to make way for someone else by the end of episode 9. if Snoke is here to stay as the big bad I do hope he's entirely different in terms of the motivations and abilities of Sheev Palpatine the cunning politician mastermind. It's easy to draw parallels now between the characters of the past and the ones for force awakens but i don't think it will play out that way on screen to just another Ot film thirty some years later.

Abrams also has a proven track record with mega sci fi franchises. He made Trek matter again and it's never had even one half the following Star Wars has. Abrams get Star Wars and I think the higher ups at Disney along with Abrams understand the intelligence and ultra geekiness of the fans that passing off a generic replica won't cut it.

As I said, perhaps. I certainly hope you're right. But like I said, SW has been guilty before of regurgitating keystone stories and characters. You need only look at SWTOR, LOTF, Legacy, etc.

So it really wouldn't surprise me if this turns out to be more of the same {literally}.

I expect Snoke to be an attempt to repackage Palpatine. So far, that's pretty much how he's being advertised. Same with Kylo and Vader, etc.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
SWTOR

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Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
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I see I continue to be the object of your fixation. excellent

I saw Quan cruising here. I had to look. You both inspire so much hatred and enemies.

that we do, that we do excellent

You ever going to regale me with the #conspiracy story?

It's kind of lost on me. Reading Nova's Sheev respect threads have made me remember how supreme he is.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
As I said, perhaps. I certainly hope you're right. But like I said, SW has been guilty before of regurgitating keystone stories and characters. You need only look at SWTOR, LOTF, Legacy, etc.

So it really wouldn't surprise me if this turns out to be more of the same {literally}.

I expect Snoke to be an attempt to repackage Palpatine. So far, that's pretty much how he's being advertised. Same with Kylo and Vader, etc.

They linked me to some of the chatzy stuff. Made for some compelling reading.

@quan, I'm not sure. So far, it looks like a repackaged deal, from aesthetics to substance.

Regarding this particular discussion you two are having, Temp, go with your gut. Remember Vitiate?

Originally posted by The_Tempest
They linked me to some of the chatzy stuff. Made for some compelling reading.

Nah, the chatzies are essentially jerk circles.

Ironically, the latest expansion is the most original thing SWTOR has done... and they totally fvcked it up by having Valkorion be Vitiate.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Nah, the chatzies are essentially jerk circles.

Yeah but surely there's more to it than shall we say, a "personal interest" in me. mmm

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Ironically, the latest expansion is the most original thing SWTOR has done... and they totally fvcked it up by having Valkorion be Vitiate.

It wouldn't have mattered. Valkorion would have been a poor rehash of Sheev, too. In the end, it can happen with any franchise that had/has a truly compelling big bad. One parallel I like to draw is with Borderlands 2. Whilst I doubt you know anything about the game, essentially they had an absolutely legendary big bad, Handsome Jack, who actually won (Video Game) villain of the year in 2012. The game then continued to make entire DLC's dedicated to making villains that were either exactly like Jack, or actually brought back Jack himself. And it didn't work, in terms of the quality of the villains in question.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Yeah but surely there's more to it than shall we say, a "personal interest" in me. mmm

Uber flashy SWTOR wank.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
They linked me to some of the chatzy stuff. Made for some compelling reading.

@quan, I'm not sure. So far, it looks like a repackaged deal, from aesthetics to substance.

Yikes