Sylar/Peter (Heroes) vs Superman/Thor

Originally posted by FrothByte
Yes and no. A haymaker is a very powerful blow, but it is very slow and cumbersome. A jab on the other hand is the fastest known punch to man, but it is not exactly a strong punch.

Velocity does have a big effect on the power of your punch, but force behind the punch is a bigger factor. Bigger, heavier people are usually able to deliver stronger punches than smaller people. Not because they punch faster, but because they put more weight (and thus force) behind their punch.

If we went with the logic that great punching strength = great speed then Hulk and Kurse would also have super speed.

Force = Mass x Acceleration.

Supes/Zod's Mass stays constant. Probably the same as a normal human of their size and weight (pavements aren't cracking under their weight, nor do cars buckle under Clark's weight, planes can still fly etc)

So their fists (and thus, their arms) must be accelerating to incredible levels in order to generate the force necessary.

Are we really using RL physics to explain why their punches must have been moving faster than they appeared in the movie?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Are we really using RL physics to explain why their punches must have been moving faster than they appeared in the movie?

Nah. Just that in order to throw powerful punches, their fists must've been travelling pretty fast. Less physics and more....logic? I dunno.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Nah. Just that in order to throw powerful punches, their fists must've been travelling pretty fast. Less physics and more....logic? I dunno.

Logic doesn't always work in movies...take the Hancock movie, Will Smith's character let's a train hit him and instead of his approx 180lb body being sent flying, the train is stopped cold. same with the Wolverine movie where Wolverine blocks the optic blast and isn't sent flying backwards.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Logic doesn't always work in movies...take the Hancock movie, Will Smith's character let's a train hit him and instead of his approx 180lb body being sent flying, the train is stopped cold. same with the Wolverine movie where Wolverine blocks the optic blast and isn't sent flying backwards.

True. (although Hancock DOES brace against the train, evidenced by his dipping of his head lol, and optic blasts aren't ALWAYS physical bolts. But I see and agree with the initial point, which is that logic doesn't always work in movies).

It just seems silly to argue that they don't have superfast reflexes, because they didn't do fancy martial arts but brawl and punch in straight lines.

IMHO, if a boxer has a powerful punch (strong enough to send me flying through buildings etc) then his fist is travelling pretty quickly and he has corresponding reflexes.

Just my two cents.

...double post

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
True. (although Hancock DOES brace against the train, evidenced by his dipping of his head lol, and optic blasts aren't ALWAYS physical bolts. But I see and agree with the initial point, which is that logic doesn't always work in movies).

It just seems silly to argue that they don't have superfast reflexes, because they didn't do fancy martial arts but brawl and punch in straight lines.

IMHO, if a boxer has a powerful punch (strong enough to send me flying through buildings etc) then his fist is travelling pretty quickly and he has corresponding reflexes.

Just my two cents.

What was he bracing against? and IIRC Scott's blasts were shown as kinetic energy during the movie, both when he was being chased and when DP destroy the wall of the reactor as he was falling.

Originally posted by Silent Master
What was he bracing against? and IIRC Scott's blasts were shown as kinetic energy during the movie, both when he was being chased and when DP destroy the wall of the reactor as he was falling.

The ground? Also, he can fly, so whatever method of propulsion he uses could also be used.

And true on Scott's blasts - when Toad stole his visor in X1, he took the roof down..

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
The ground? Also, he can fly, so whatever method of propulsion he uses could also be used.

And true on Scott's blasts - when Toad stole his visor in X1, he took the roof down..

The ground wasn't damaged, as for flight. at that point he was still a drunk and caused damage both when taking off or landing.

Originally posted by Silent Master
The ground wasn't damaged, as for flight. at that point he was still a drunk and caused damage both when taking off or landing.

But that does not 100% mean that he couldn't have used flight. Like a drunk who answers 1 question out of 10 correctly....

In any case, I feel we're drifting off topic here. Yes, films don't make sense sometimes, but you can't use that as proof that Superman/Zod's fists weren't moving at a decent speed, especially as we have the sonic booms that others mentioned.

Also, there is still BFR to Vanaheim or anywhere else. Despite what carver says, I still don't believe they can teleport back, especially since it was made very clear that you needed a large amount of energy to travel between realms.

We can also see how fast their punches are moving...it's not like they were presented as blurs or anything.

I took it as a strength feat...arguing that the punches must have been moving hundreds of times faster than we actually see them moving because RL science says so just seems like h1a8 type debating.

Originally posted by FrothByte
No one's lowballing anything. I never said that Zod and Superman weren't super strong, just that they never showed super combat speed. So sonic booms form super strong hits isn't out of the question.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonic_boom

A sonic boom is the sound associated with the shock waves created by an object traveling through the air faster than the speed of sound.

Now tell me where did you get the idea that the booms were created by strength rather than speed as shown in the movie.

Originally posted by Silent Master
We can also see how fast their punches are moving...it's not like they were presented as blurs or anything.

I took it as a strength feat...arguing that the punches must have been moving hundreds of times faster than we actually see them moving because RL science says so just seems like h1a8 type debating.

So can Sylar or Peter react or move at Mach 100?

Or withstand attacks that can harm guys who can take being slammed through part of a mountain unscathed?

Because uh, yeah

Unless their heads get removed, or in Sylar's case whatever part off his body it is, then yeah they van keep on going

Originally posted by StealthRanger
So can Sylar or Peter react or move at Mach 100?

Or withstand attacks that can harm guys who can take being slammed through part of a mountain unscathed?

Because uh, yeah

Move at Mach 100? No. But then they won't need to when they can freeze time anyway.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Sonic booms don't happen with strength. That's what lowballing means. We saw Zod's missed haymaker create a sonic boom too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonic_boom

[b]A sonic boom is the sound associated with the shock waves created by an object traveling through the air faster than the speed of sound.

Now tell me where did you get the idea that the booms were created by strength rather than speed as shown in the movie. [/B]

Yeah, but who says Zod and Clark were making sonic booms specifically? It could also be just shockwaves. Kinda like how Hulk makes a thunderclap.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Yeah, but who says Zod and Clark were making sonic booms specifically? It could also be just shockwaves. Kinda like how Hulk makes a thunderclap.

Sonic booms are shockwaves...

Originally posted by FrothByte
Yeah, but who says Zod and Clark were making sonic booms specifically? It could also be just shockwaves. Kinda like how Hulk makes a thunderclap.

http://i.imgur.com/NSrBjQE.gif

I can tell they were meant to be sonic booms because every time superman went to supersonic speed in the movie it was shown as that effect.

Its like you are going ass forward with your stupid stance that superman didn't have any superspeed so any and all evidence regarding that is invalid because you said so.

Originally posted by StealthRanger
So can Sylar or Peter react or move at Mach 100?

Or withstand attacks that can harm guys who can take being slammed through part of a mountain unscathed?

Because uh, yeah