Originally posted by EpicurusYou can deny the clear look of pain on her face till the sun goes dark, but anyone looking at that page can tell you that Spider-man's punch clearly hurt her.
No it's not. Not a single exclamation of pain, along with the fact that she was back and running in the very next panel also undermines your theory.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Has anyone .made a convincing argument for peter winning?
If she hulk is not messing with the 4th wall, I said peter could just quip as she hulk keeps swinging trying to hit him and gets frustrated while he pours on the webbing. He could wear her out, featureless environment would be trickier, but in somewhere like NYC, he could drop a truck on her when she is worn out/webbed up(worked on the Hulk)
Just a few characters Spider-Man beat up with his bare hands:
- Hyde
- Rhino
- Scorpion
- Iron Man 2020
- Titania
- Absorbing Man
- Firelord ("the forbidden fight..."😉
Other than that, he had good showings against Morlun, Juggernaut, Hulk (beat him even), Namor, Silver Surfer, Masterson Thor and lots and lots of others.
But for some reason, the slow, short ranged She Hulk will beat him. It's very debatable if she even can touch him when he's wearing a blindfold.
Originally posted by Bentley
Not riding against you in this particular topic, but to me wanting to get rid of thunderclaps is missing the point of the Vs forums entirely. We're not attempting to mimick comic conditions here, characters fight to the best of their abilities but in character. People use the "in character" condition way to often as a method of handicaping the stronger character to give the underdog a chance, it's not meant to work like that unless the character is a total idiot.
Wait, has She-hulk even done thunderclaps? I'm not sure I've even seen her do it. Can we really give her thunderclaps if she hasn't even done it on panel? (Correct me if she actually has done it)
Originally posted by JayDaDon
Wait, has She-hulk even done thunderclaps? I'm not sure I've even seen her do it. Can we really give her thunderclaps if she hasn't even done it on panel? (Correct me if she actually has done it)
It's a good question. In a forum setting, I'd be comfortable allowing her such a routine tactic since she's obviously at the level to be able to pull it off. But if you want to invoke CIS at that point to claim a more balanced match, I wouldn't argue. A couple iterations of her doing it would be sufficient, though, imo.
Originally posted by carver9
At the same time, we don't give people abilities that they've never shown on panel. What I am basically saying is, forum member statements doesn't overrule on panel predictions. You can say all day a character can do ect, etc, but you need proof to back it up, and not one showing either.
Who's we? Speak for yourself. There are always exceptions. I'd be ok agreeing to this post if it weren't unnecessarily absolute in its judgment.
Originally posted by Digi
Who's we? Speak for yourself. There are always exceptions. I'd be ok agreeing to this post if it weren't unnecessarily absolute in its judgment.
Lol...that post wasn't meant entirely for you. I just see it like this. If someone say a character can do etc, I don't see anything wrong with someone asking for proof (not a one time showing either). If the other party can not provide any evidence supporting their claims, then that basically throws whoever argument out of the window, which means, move on to another tactic. That's just my opinion on the matter, but I could be wrong: and my post wasn't directed at you.
Originally posted by JayDaDon
If she hulk is not messing with the 4th wall, I said peter could just quip as she hulk keeps swinging trying to hit him and gets frustrated while he pours on the webbing. He could wear her out, featureless environment would be trickier, but in somewhere like NYC, he could drop a truck on her when she is worn out/webbed up(worked on the Hulk)
Why do people keep bringing up the Hulk fight? It's not as if he could ever replicate that feat without pis. I mean seriously this is the Hulk we are talking about. Also her stamina is dynamic. Noway is wearing her down for a "truck" k.o. There also needs to be better clarification for the battlefield. The OP didnt state "NYC", and iiirc form rules dont dictate a a predetermined environment. Even though I feel it wont change the outcome of the battle. I do believe it will create a lower percentage for Jen to win (80% chance of victory as opposed to 90). Someone stated previously that this is Otto Spiderman, and that he is signigficantly weaker than Peter Spiderman, that will be another key to She-Hulks' victory. Add on the fact that his SS is noticeably watered-down in comparison it opens up more of a defense for her win.
Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
Just a few characters Spider-Man beat up with his bare hands:- Hyde
- Rhino
- Scorpion
- Iron Man 2020
- Titania
- Absorbing Man
- Firelord ("the forbidden fight..."😉Other than that, he had good showings against Morlun, Juggernaut, Hulk (beat him even), Namor, Silver Surfer, Masterson Thor and lots and lots of others.
But for some reason, the slow, short ranged She Hulk will beat him. It's very debatable if she even can touch him when he's wearing a blindfold.
Hyde i can see
RHINO IS A JOBBER
SCORPION IS A JOBBER
Iron Man 2020...ok in regards to this fight, iirc Arno wasnt a very competent weilder if the armor. He didnt even make it, the kid bought it.
AM/Titania....Titania got speed-blitzed and bfred (sorta) during secret wars by Peter and as a result developed an acute fear of spiders...this hampered her in her future fights with him until she eventually got over it when her boyfriend Creel got involved and she learned to conquer her fear.
*I wont respond to Firelord, its childish
Originally posted by carver9
Lol...that post wasn't meant entirely for you. I just see it like this. If someone say a character can do etc, I don't see anything wrong with someone asking for proof (not a one time showing either).
It can be a single showing, but it dépends on the nature of the feat in my opinion. Remember: many characters have very few showings. If I can only provide a single feat of Kang paralyzing someone using a time bubble -he's a villain, he works on little dosis-, it may be his only one, but considering his powerset, it's a rather consistent ability to have.
I'm pretty sure I've seen Jen thunderclap here and there, probably when she went feral on Avengers v3 just when Busiek left the book. I might try to localize my scans later on.
Originally posted by Bentley
It can be a single showing, but it dépends on the nature of the feat in my opinion. Remember: many characters have very few showings. If I can only provide a single feat of Kang paralyzing someone using a time bubble -he's a villain, he works on little dosis-, it may be his only one, but considering his powerset, it's a rather consistent ability to have.I'm pretty sure I've seen Jen thunderclap here and there, probably when she went feral on Avengers v3 just when Busiek left the book. I might try to localize my scans later on.
I agree to an extent. If I was to go in a thread and say, "Surfer beats Superman 10/10". Lets say if someone ask me "how". What if I was to say "by reading Supermans mind (which is well within his abilities), figuring out the ingredients to make kryptonite, and then turning his body into kryptonite snow for the 10/10 (which is well within his abilities)". Would you all accept it? If you are implying rules like this in one battle, it should be spread across the board. We know Surfer will not do anything like this 'in character' but we also know it's within his abilities. Debating any other way would make people like Thor and Surfer unbeatable on the forum against any Herald minus themselves. ESPECIALLY Surfer. That's why CIS is beautiful rule.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You mean when Hyde literally no-sold every strike from Petey? Or maybe when Daredevil did most of the job for him? 😛
Edit: Also, Spider-man was having no problem hurting Hyde with his attacks in Amazing Spider-man #433.
Spidey wins this if he's serious. If he's not then it's going to be tough for him.
Pre-cog forewarning senses of attacks before they are thrown, Super flash like speed and reflexes, super agility, webbing that can slow or halt strong beings, intellgence to use the environment to his advantage, ridiculous super strength that can can hurt or sting the shit out of very strong beings, etc.