Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Yoda or Dooku or even Sidious have more mastery than Skywalker (who has more raw power).
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
In each of these cases, Force mastery has the edge if not the stomp in victory, assuming it is coupled with at least near-comparable power. Yoda and Sidious have enough mastery and sufficient power to defeat Skywalker.
Again, there's a difference. I was referencing Revan's mastery as superior because of his versatility, whereas Yoda and Palpatine's superior mastery over Anakin not only comes from their versatility but their mastery over raw telekinetic power (which Revan doesn't have). They possess superior raw power, mastery and versatility over Anakin; Revan lacks Mace's raw power.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
1. Revan isn't a pure Sith, and as such, doesn't have the same inherent weaknesses as say, Sidious.
Vaapad would never help Mace regardless of Revan being a pure Sith or not, so this is agreeable.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
2. Shatterpoints aren't reliable enough to constitute victory. In fact, when faced with peers or superiors who weren't Dark Side, it did not net him victory (Jedi Master Dooku, Yoda).
Shatterpoint has never helped Mace, to my knowledge, without outside interference.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
3. Revan's more esoteric range of powers and such is a plus. PT era Jedi seldom use anything more than precog, speed, and TK, and the saber is their primary means of dispatching foes.
Revan's versatility as a Force wielder would just about never help him against Mace (I take it we are arguing Revan versus Mace). His feats with Absorption are irrelevant when Mace does not know lightning, and while Revan does know Drain (which Mace is susceptible to), he has no feats with it (and Bane, who learned the technique from Revan's holocron, pointed out that Drain was extremely hard to use in combat).
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
4. Revan's dueling record is very solid. Defeated Yusanis, Malak twice (once while Malak was amped by the Star Forge and the collective energy of several captured Jedi Knights). Mandalore. Bandon (who had killed many Jedi according to his official bio). Nyriss. In an age when Sith numbered in the thousands and warred actively with Jedi, he was head and shoulders above them all.
Mace's feats are noticeably better. He has fought evenly with Tyranus, fought evenly with Bulq, driven off Ventress, fought evenly with Grievous, sparred evenly with Saesee Tiin, etc. By Attack of the Clones, he was the second best duelist in the Order, and as of Revenge of the Sith, he was among the five most skilled swordsmen at the time.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
5. It took the collective group of four champions of the Empire to defeat him in an epic fight: the Sith Warrior (who has a ton of dueling feats well above their station and is a master of the blade), the Sith Inquisitor (a Force prodigy with amped power), the Bounty Hunter (muggle, but a tough one despite it. Ask Neph, he has a boner for her), and the Agent. Again, during the fight, Revan chucks meteors to augment the fierce defense he's already giving the group.
I have no idea what to say about the strike team that beat Revan; so no comment.