First Born vs Superman

Originally posted by psycho gundam
Planet hulk was beloved by everyone and even with some people getting butthurt over people getting beat up WWH flew off shelves.

But you meant it as "not superman" 👆

How's your vitamin D level, tough guy?

So is Action Comics beloved by everyone and flying off shelves. And Batman/Superman.

Nope, not a good story at all.

I'm just fine, thank you for asking.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Really? Damn, the DCnU is barely a few years old and already the Spectre is sucking.......

Do....do you actually think that proves that she is stronger?

Do you believe that Diana doing this:

Is superior to Hercules/Thor closing a warp indirectly by PUNCHING their fists:

Are you being sarcastic or is that what you actually think?

I mean, that's ignoring the fact that Wonder Woman BARELY did the feat with help from Mongul and Non who were at it for some time while Hercules/Thor did it casually with a punch.

I mean, the feat actually proves the opposite if anything but whatever. 😂

Are you blind or something? She is closing the rift and Non/Mongul are beneath her when she is closing it, not even touching the rift. And says "you're welcome." And where did she closed it just barely?

Closing a rift by herself>>>Taking help from someone equal to you.

Wonder Woman>>>Thor bro.

😂

LOL.

This yute is literally blind when it comes to Superman.

Mongul/Non are literally hugging the rift and trying to close it. They have been for a while.

Well, it seemed to take a great deal of strain from, further supported by the fact that she is literally sweating from that brief exertion.

Closing a rift indirectly by the force created from a punch > Closing a rift by trying to force the edges back.

I COULD post a number of dimensional barrier feats for Thor, but that would imply this is superior to the Hercules/Thor scan, when it's not.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
See, I was right.

Also I love the epic face turn of Pak cause he's making your boy look good. This is always what it's about on this forum

Until he started getting feats... because feats make a good story.

Pak sucks just as much now as he did back then. Like the only good thing he's written is Planet Hulk.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
LOL.

This yute is literally blind when it comes to Superman.

Mongul/Non are literally hugging the rift and trying to close it. They have been for a while.

Well, it seemed to take a great deal of strain from, further supported by the fact that she is literally sweating from that brief exertion.

Closing a rift indirectly by the force created from a punch > Closing a rift by trying to force the edges back.

I COULD post a number of dimensional barrier feats for Thor, but that would imply this is superior to the Hercules/Thor scan, when it's not.

But its OK, you always forget the important part. I forgive you.

Sweating or exerting effort doesn't means she barely closed it rage. You are likely in tears right now.

No, closing a rift by herself>>>Closing it by the help of an equal.

Thor has closed dimensional rifts by himself. Post the scans bro.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You are missing something like always. When diana closes the rift, they aren't even touching it.

But its OK, you always forget the important part. I forgive you.

Sweating or exerting effort doesn't means she barely closed it rage. You are likely in tears right now.

No, closing a rift by herself>>>Closing it by the help of an equal.

Thor has closed dimensional rifts by himself. Post the scans bro.

Except in the panel you posted, it had almost sealed and it does not change that she did in fact have a noticeable amount of help.

Okay, she seemed to have used a lot more effort than Hercules/Thor who did it casually.

But she didn't, nor is it that simple.

I don't know about closing, but he definitely has a few breaching ones.

Basically what you're saying, no matter the context, any feat involving two characters is automatically inferior to a similar feat done by a single character. Ignoring methods, strain etc.

Actually, I'm done with this discussion. You may have the last word.

Being a part of any discussion this dumb for more than a few posts cannot be good for your brain.

Although, if you want to battle zone Thor vs. DCnU Diana in strength, PM me.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Except in the panel you posted, it had almost sealed and it does not change that she did in fact have a noticeable amount of help.

Okay, she seemed to have used a lot more effort than Hercules/Thor who did it casually.

But she didn't, nor is it that simple.

I don't know about closing, but he definitely has a few breaching ones.

Basically what you're saying, no matter the context, any feat involving two characters is automatically inferior to a similar feat done by a single character. Ignoring methods, strain etc.

Means very little. Two top tiers doing something would look casual, its nothing to do with individual strength.

She did it and its Pak. Its always simple for him.

Breaching=/=closing.

And Doomsday is definitely FAR above top tier.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Actually, I'm done with this discussion. You may have the last word.

Being a part of any discussion this dumb for more than a few posts cannot be good for your brain.

Although, if you want to battle zone Thor vs. DCnU Diana in strength, PM me.

So when Diana is proved to be conclusively stronger than Thor, you revert to your old tactics? Lulzworthy.

Asking to battlezone it?

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Asking to battlezone it?

But seriously, that's a huge feat for diana and she is definitely a peer of Thor in strength now. Considering that the rift would've destroyed earth.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Remember when Superman fans were calling Pak's stories the worst stories about Superman ever?

Until he started getting feats... because feats make a good story.

Pak sucks just as much now as he did back then. Like the only good thing he's written is Planet Hulk.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Remember when Superman fans were calling Pak's stories the worst stories about Superman ever?

His Action Comics is pretty entertaining TBH. Batman/Superman is bad though. And I'm expecting this "Super-Doom" event to suck major ass.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
I just want to fight Abhil , I know it's a no sequitur but that's life. gutless

Come join House of El gundam.

The First Born of Olympus utterly shit-stomps the Last Son of Krypton. cwutididthere? 👆

But in all seriousness, this is borderline spite in FB's favor. 🙂

Originally posted by Galan007
The First Born of Olympus utterly shit-stomps the Last Son of Krypton. cwutididthere? 👆

But in all seriousness, this is borderline spite in FB's favor. 🙂

And Superman literally ripped him in half. While massively weakened. The impressiveness of that feat can't be underestimated.

That ABC logic is moot, because FB and Supes have faced a few of the same foes...

When Superman initially encountered Apollo, he was swatted away(literally) like fodder:
http://imgur.com/LppqINR
^^That is the same Apollo whom FB wiped his ass with.

We can also use Orion as a common gauge if you'd like. Supes was portrayed as his rough equal, with, perhaps, a slight strength-edge. FB, however, was decisively more powerful than Orion.

FB wins. Superman's showing against DD doesn't change that in the slightest, imho.

Originally posted by Galan007
That ABC logic is moot, because FB and Supes have faced a few of the same foes...

When Superman initially encountered Apollo, he was swatted away(literally) like fodder:
http://imgur.com/LppqINR
^^That is the same Apollo whom FB wiped his ass with.

We can also use Orion as a common gauge if you'd like. Supes was portrayed as his rough equal, with, perhaps, a slight strength-edge. FB, however, was decisively more powerful than Orion.

FB wins. Superman's showing against DD doesn't change that in the slightest, imho.

"In a show of Brute Force never before witnessed."

A holding back Superman would lose against FB, however a not holding back Superman would phuck him up.

^But the Doomsday feat is not him holding back, more so him going well beyond his natural limits to create a DYJPOC moment.

Originally posted by Epicurus
^But the Doomsday feat is not him holding back, more so him going well beyond his natural limits to create a DYJPOC moment.

And then Pak goes and gives Doomsday feats like punching and breaking ****ing Phantom Zone.

😐

First off: where is that source from? Certainly a published comic, I hope..?

Secondly: 'never before witnessed' by who, exactly? Lois and co.? That sounds like a very subjective statement to me.

Suffice to say: I think you're digging laughably deep if you think a single throwaway line that was intended to have been written by a very fallible in-universe character(Lois Lane) somehow retcons all of Superman's previous battles into him pulling each and every punch he's thrown... Especially when Superman himself made it quite clear nearly 2 years ago(in Superman #13) that he was going to stop holding back:
http://imgur.com/08EyDYb
"My recent encounter with Helspont made me realize I need to push myself further than I have before."