First Born vs Superman

Started by Epicurus7 pages

Originally posted by Diesldude
I don't know why you would think that, I actually loved planet hulk and believe it or not, HOM Hulk. You can search my post history and I posted scans from those comics that no one else has.

When I mention superman-fans, I mean the more ardent ones. Not the neutral dudes like Pr, Zack Fair, JaketheBank and you.

Originally posted by Epicurus
He wasn't weakened in the Probes scene. As I said before. Different circumstances. Different Superman.
That's why it can't be anything like a high end feat. Superman simply dug in, went all out and even in a weakened state ripped apart Doomsday in half.

Maniping energies which even Galactus couldn't allegedly control is a feat in itself. He did that and then used that juice to kill the Proemial Gods, hence the feat was performed under his own power. Though nice attempt to deflect from the fact that it's a WTF-feat, just like Superman's.
Its not HIS own power which killed those. Nice strawman argument as always. Surfer has nothing to do with this thread.

I am not doing anything of the sort. I am dismissing your self-made twist on the feat that Superman holds back in every previous showing. He had to exert quite a bit to do what he did to Doomsday, as the panels themselves showcase.
And hence he was going all out just like Pak stated in AC 31. But as you said "dismissing", that's what you're doing here. Dismissing a feat just because you don't like it.

Not holding back, as much as it is him pushing his limits further. This isn't a matter of reading comprehension, just basic English. Come on man.
Bwahaha. This is just a terrible case of downplaying. But keep it up, I would see some more strawman arguments soon.

I know he was weakened. So now it's going all out instead of holding back? Listen, not holding back isn't the same thing as what the narrative suggests the character did in this instance. The words "in a never before seen display of brute strength" should be sufficient indicators for that.
WTF are you talking about? I always said its him going all out. And that's exactly what the narration states.
It's identical to Goji's ending fight scene against the MUTO.
Haven't seen the movie.

TBH, it's a stretch to use this outlierish feat to claim that Superman can easily beat FB.
And that's the real motive of all this strawman argument. Dismissing the feat as outlandish, when Superman was in fact weakened and can easily go that level when he is fully powered. But keep going chump.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
Pak isn't writing hulk anymore and from what i hear he's getting his ass kicked by abomination among other far-lesser than green scar showings. big deal.

nah. all you house of el people know how each other tastes. huge pass on that


Pak is talking about his own hulk writing. Good try.

We're not Gammatards gundam. Keep your fantasies to yourself.

Originally posted by Galan007
Like I said earlier: 'never before witnessed' by who, exactly? Lois and co.? The earth? The universe? The omniverse? WHO? That is very subjective/ambiguous.

An ambiguous, throwaway blurb is EXACTLY what that qualifies as. You're simply trying to glorify that line because you think it makes your pet character look better. Sorry, but that simply isn't sufficient evidence to retcon every single battle Superman has had thus far... Not by a long shot.

If you keep pressing the issue, I'll contact Bada and Pr first thing in the morning and let them squash this. 🙂

I'll squash this for you. Superman himself, before the fight with Doomsday:

"Now it's my turn. To cut loose like never before."

You're welcome.

It needs to be a cheese analogy for me to understand. 👆

Your argument had more holes in it than a swiss cheese.

Better?

Still not cheesy enough. 👇

Glad you finally came out of hiding, though. This forum wasn't quite as...sharp...without you. 👆

I barely have time to keep up with the comics I like, sadly. I won't stay active.

Hit me up with a PM from time to time, you unloving as*hole.

Did you catch the conclusion of FE, at least? Talk about lackluster. 👇

Yeah, that was awful.

And for all the pre-event interview Johns had, of how interesting themes and relations will be explored (I really wanted to see Sinestro/Black Adam), nothing was there, except some cheesy panels.

I'm not even excited for Anti-Monitor.

Nor am I. The fact that AM evidently requires universal amps just to contend with the same Darkseid whom the rookie JL was able to fend off, strikes me as absolutely ridiculous. AM should(and rightfully so) be at the absolute peak of cosmic power. Darkseid shouldn't be even remotely comparable to him. I'm actually surprised that Johns is wanking DS this much.

Meh, Johns. The line between high-heralds and skyfather or higher is pretty blurry for him.

*flashbacks to Wildcat duking it out with Mordru*

At least Superman will now beat the breaks off of Universal+ beings and show off his true power standing.

Where the **** have you been?

College [final year, so I have shitload of stuff to do], work and other stuff. Barely have time for myself right now, sadly.

I'm still going to furiously masturbate to X-Men Days of Future Past tomorrow night, though.

Originally posted by Epicurus

When I mention superman-fans, I mean the more ardent ones. Not the neutral dudes like Pr, Zack Fair, JaketheBank and you.

😬

Pr's about as neutral on Superman topics as the Tea Party is concerning taxes.

I'll be the first to say Pr is generally reserved and respectful of people, however, which many of the fans you're calling "ardent" are not.

Pr's as non-biased as an avid Superman fan can get. abhi, however, is the exact opposite of that... The Yin to Pr's Yang, if you will.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
nah. all you house of el people know how each other tastes. huge pass on that

WATCH YOUR FILTHY MOUTH, BANNER *****!!!

😠

Originally posted by psycho gundam
I just want to fight Abhil , I know it's a no sequitur but that's life. gutless

😂

Originally posted by abhilegend
Pak is talking about his own hulk writing. Good try.

We're not Gammatards gundam. Keep your fantasies to yourself.

confirmation bias x incompetence = abhilegend

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's why it can't be anything like a high end feat. Superman simply dug in, went all out and even in a weakened state ripped apart Doomsday in half.

Its not HIS own power which killed those. Nice strawman argument as always. Surfer has nothing to do with this thread.

And hence he was going all out just like Pak stated in AC 31. But as you said "dismissing", that's what you're doing here. Dismissing a feat just because you don't like it.

Bwahaha. This is just a terrible case of downplaying. But keep it up, I would see some more strawman arguments soon.

WTF are you talking about? I always said its him going all out. And that's exactly what the narration states. Haven't seen the movie.

And that's the real motive of all this strawman argument. Dismissing the feat as outlandish, when Superman was in fact weakened and can easily go that level when he is fully powered. But keep going chump.


Except that is exactly what a high-end feat is supposed to be. Or do you want me to go a step further and highlight Thor vs Glory as another pointer of how achieving a seemingly impossible feat doesn't mean that you hold back in all previous showings? Because I am pretty sure that no Thor fan in their right mind would go about claiming that a non-holding back Thor operates at skyfather levels?

His own power controlled and tamed these energies, which were powerful enough to kill them and were allegedly beyond even Galactus' power. Not per se, but as a comparative analogy of WTF-feats, he is revelant.

I clearly said that I dismiss your notion that he was holding back in prior encounters. Learn to read.

It's not downplaying, as much as it's pointing out something obvious which others agree with me upon. Sorry, but being a crazy-jane insane fanboy like you isn't a crime, last I checked.

No, you said that he holds back in previous encounters based on this single feat. Do you not remember your own posts 2 pages prior in this very thread?

Ugh. Outlier-ish. Not outlandish. Your awful reading comprehension is an insult to the collective intelligence of humanity, and this ridiculous Superman-fueled paranoia is childish. Grow up.