Who wins the race: Surfer vs Flash

Started by Colossus-Big C28 pages

Flash feats shit all over surfer

The comic us uambigupus-- Flash was far faster than light when entering the coty, and droped to below lightspeed when carrying people. The comic is 100% consistent. Flash destroys Surfer in speed. Period.

Why the **** would he have to slow down anyway since the speed force protects the passengers?

And if it didn't in that specific instance, then it doesn't matter if he was traveling one hundred bajillions light years per second, or if he was traveling just under light speed, as they'd be dead either way.

Also triple backflip bar grab into a handstand quad backflip perfect landing gymnastics.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Why the **** would he have to slow down anyway since the speed force protects the passengers?

And if it didn't in that specific instance, then it doesn't matter if he was traveling one hundred bajillions light years per second, or if he was traveling just under light speed, as they'd be dead either way.

Also triple backflip bar grab into a handstand quad backflip perfect landing gymnastics.

Forgot about the speed force protecting people.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Flash feats shit all over surfer
Not at all.

Bump. To garner opinions.

Statement 1:

At 13:57 and .00001 microseconds, half a million Koreans seemed to materialize on a hilltop 35 miles away from the blast

Statement 2:

They were carried there...one at a time, sometimes two...at a hair breadth short of the speed of light.

Statement 1 gives Flash's speed as eleventy gajillion times the speed of light.

Statement 2 gives Flash's speed as 0.999 times the speed of light.

Which do we take? How about both?

We know the Flash carried the Koreans at 'a hair breadth's short of the speed of light'.

But when he's running BACK into the city, empty handed, without anyone in his arms and when's he's not having to worry about civilians..he's running faster.

So, rather than assuming a constant speed (the speed that he carried them there = the speed he runs back into the city), he probably took a bit more care+time when he was carrying a little old Korean lady, than ramping it up to max gear when he's on his own.

TL;DR: Flash was going INCREDIBLY fast when running back into the city, and when carrying people, was going under the speed of light.

To just focus on Statement 2, ignores on-panel narration of Statement 1.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Bump. To garner opinions.

Statement 1:

Statement 2:

Statement 1 gives Flash's speed as eleventy gajillion times the speed of light.

Statement 2 gives Flash's speed as 0.999 times the speed of light.

Which do we take? How about both?

We know the Flash carried the Koreans at 'a hair breadth's short of the speed of light'.

But when he's running BACK into the city, empty handed, without anyone in his arms and when's he's not having to worry about civilians..he's running faster.

So, rather than assuming a constant speed (the speed that he carried them there = the speed he runs back into the city), he probably took a bit more care+time when he was carrying a little old Korean lady, than ramping it up to max gear when he's on his own.

TL;DR: Flash was going INCREDIBLY fast when running back into the city, and when carrying people, was going under the speed of light.

To just focus on Statement 2, ignores on-panel narration of Statement 1.


Statement one. The second one might be the interpretation of the writer on the speed of light having an effect on the time or something?

Nah, for me, that injects too much speculation. I just take what I see on panel. He carried them there under the speed of light. But we cannot ignore that the entire evacuation took place in 0.00001 microseconds.

If he took 2 people every time it was still well under 20 million miles traveled in 1 hundred thousandth of a second. Something like 10,000,000 x lightspeed

Oh its a stupid feat, to be sure, but then, that's what happens with science and comics.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Bump. To garner opinions.

Statement 1:

Statement 2:

Statement 1 gives Flash's speed as eleventy gajillion times the speed of light.

Statement 2 gives Flash's speed as 0.999 times the speed of light.

Which do we take? How about both?

We know the Flash carried the Koreans at 'a hair breadth's short of the speed of light'.

But when he's running BACK into the city, empty handed, without anyone in his arms and when's he's not having to worry about civilians..he's running faster.

So, rather than assuming a constant speed (the speed that he carried them there = the speed he runs back into the city), he probably took a bit more care+time when he was carrying a little old Korean lady, than ramping it up to max gear when he's on his own.

TL;DR: Flash was going INCREDIBLY fast when running back into the city, and when carrying people, was going under the speed of light.

To just focus on Statement 2, ignores on-panel narration of Statement 1.

Another possibility, the writer just didn't know what he was doing when he described the scene.

Course.

But then, Stan Lee has no idea about radiation or gamma rays. Guess what, we don't throw those out......

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Course.

But then, Stan Lee has no idea about radiation or gamma rays. Guess what, we don't throw those out......

But this requires a lot of complicated explanation that ignores other issues. Why would he need to take extra care when carrying them? His perceptions and coordination should still be fine at the higher speed. If you try to argue the Speed Force wouldn't protect them as well, why not? Is there anything in the comics to suggest it wouldn't protect those he carries at greater speeds than what it can protect him? 'Cuz the greater speeds he'd have to go to compensate for the much slower carrying of passengers would be ridiculously greater.

This is far more convoluted than Stan Lee making Hulk gray(then officially green after inconsistent color printing) when if anything he should be purple, for example.

Someone forgot statement 3. Let me add that here.

Originally posted by carver9

As his body sloughs off the after effect of "near light travel".

This was said AFTER bringing up carrying people. It states his body sloughs from NEAR LIGHT SPEED TRAVEL. He traveled near light speed. He never went over light.

Slough =/= slow.

The statement about it being less than light speed is irrelevant since the required data is all that matters. The writer could have said that it was a hair's breadth under the speed of Cheetahs (shout out to phildo)

Surfer's more than a light year feat is still greater

Originally posted by psycho gundam
The statement about it being less than light speed is irrelevant since the required data is all that matters. The writer could have said that it was a hair's breadth under the speed of Cheetahs (shout out to phildo)

Surfer's more than a light year feat is still greater

What's the "more than a lightyear" feat?

Originally posted by Delta1938
What's the "more than a lightyear" feat?
Originally posted by psycho gundam
Even if it took surfer 10 times longer to do it (which it didn't) the distance traveled is still vastly greater to the distance covered in the Flash instance in relative amounts of time. It gets more extreme when you factor in how Flash was going all out to do it whereas Surfer was within normal space without using Hyperspace where he can go even faster

Originally posted by psycho gundam
Even if it took surfer 10 times longer to do it (which it didn't) the distance traveled is still vastly greater to the distance covered in the Flash instance in relative amounts of time. It gets more extreme when you factor in how Flash was going all out to do it whereas Surfer was within normal space without using Hyperspace where he can go even faster

So how long do you think it took Surfer to travel?

Nothing more than 10x the time (.0001)

Thanos' arm never budged during the entire trip. It was locked in relative time. It takes like 1/10 of a second to throw a punch and Thanos didn't even get to throw it. It's in the same ballpark of time Flash used but Surfer traveled tens of thousands of times the distance

Using warp speed

Originally posted by psycho gundam