Count Dooku and Obi-wan vs. Darth Sidious

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Maul fought at the same speed as Sidious in the final fight.

If he did, and if you're saying Sidious was using his full speed, you're essentially saying he can blitz masters like Agen Kolar and Saesee Tiin.

Except there are different applications of speed. Speed of attacks =/= speed of footwork in close combat =/= running speed etc.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
lol

If he did, and if you're saying Sidious was using his full speed, you're essentially saying he can blitz masters like Agen Kolar and Saesee Tiin.

Just like Mace Windu can blitz Kolar and Tiin?

Maul was in a rage enhanced state mind you so operating above his norm power level. But if there was a difference in Maul and Sidious's speed and skill in that final fight then it wasn't a noticeable one.

Originally posted by Arhael
I see Sidious speed wank is still on.

It has been the source of many good wanks.

Originally posted by Q99
None of which says he was holding back when facing them both at once- Heck yea they can't compete with him, it was two on one!

He was enjoying himself, but what's the other time he really enjoyed himself? Well, when he let completely loose against Yoda. He *loves* letting loose.

And even in our version, he was holding his own two-on-one. I think you're going to need something more explicit to prove that he was significantly holding back on top of that.

...I have him Force splatting the brothers at the beginning of the fight and letting them go. If Sidious was fighting his hardest and wanting them dead, why did he not do it then? I also have him laughing his ass off from start to finish.

So with that said, I'm going with Filoni on this one.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
...I have him Force splatting the brothers at the beginning of the fight and letting them go. If Sidious was fighting his hardest and wanting them dead, why did he not do it then? I also have him laughing his ass off from start to finish.

So with that said, I'm going with Filoni on this one.

I have to agree, Maul and Opress were nowhere near Sidious. Filoni, being the unabashed fanboy that he is, made sure of this. Even though Maul does exceptionally well against Sidious in an earlier EU novel which is probably burning at Epcot center as we speak.

I'd say it's less fanboyism than it is Filoni recognizing that Sidious is the most important, powerful, accomplished, successful, handsome, and bestest bad guy in the entire mythology. A fact with which you, sir, must come to grips.

excellent

I'd **** Dooku before Sidious.

Dat Saruman swag.

The ass-crack forehead doesn't do it for you?

I like my ass-cracks in their proper God-given places thank you very much.

Gey.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Just like Mace Windu can blitz Kolar and Tiin?

Originally posted by Intrepid37
He can't.

There we go then. If Star Wars was logical we would never have the whole Kenobi beats Skywalker beats Dooku stomps Kenobi situation. And the 2nd most Powerful Jedi wouldn't defeat the all powerful Emperor when the Most Powerful Jedi failed to do so.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
I have to agree, Maul and Opress were nowhere near Sidious.

Nobody's denying that. But that doesn't mean Sidious wasn't fighting properly.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Maul does exceptionally well against Sidious in an earlier EU novel which is probably burning at Epcot center as we speak.

He did well in his last one on one against Sidious in TCW.

Originally posted by Q99
And even in our version, he was holding his own two-on-one. I think you're going to need something more explicit to prove that he was significantly holding back on top of that.

Sidious was stomping 2 on 1, casually evading and deflecting their attacks, while landing multiple physical attacks on them.

As for holding back,

1) He admits at the end of the fight that he wasn't there to kill Maul, which means he was holding back.

2) He was mocking them throughout the entire battle, smiling, and even deactivates his sabers mid-duel in order to perform an unnecessary fancy stunt, which suggest that he wasn't taking either of them seriously, which means he surely wasn't working for his easy win, especially considering how relaxed he was. Then we have Filoni's implications and the fact that Sidious proved how effortlessly he can handle them without even needing to touch his sabers.

Sidious was holding back immensely. How was he not?

To keep referencing Sidious fight with Yoda is plain silly, considering that Sidious laughed once when engaging Yoda in close combat. The only other times he laughed was when Yoda was either unconscious or when he was like miles away. Whereas he was pretty much laughing and mocking the brothers throughout the entire duel.

Sidious has already stomped Maul multiple times before. Not really sure why people have a problem with him being above just about everyone.

I know DP's problem. Not sure about Q99's. Perhaps it's because Sidious easily handled his apprentice, whereas Krayt would have been killed by his if Wyyrlok wasn't giving such a long speach. lol

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Sidious has already stomped Maul multiple times before. Not really sure why people have a problem with him being above just about everyone.

😕

No one's argued argued Sidious isn't above Maul. In fact he's proved he's clearly above Maul and Opress combined.

I'm personally not sure what people's problem is with Sidious not Blitzing Maul. But to each his own problems.

Sidious. Especially in light of recent revelations...

What relevations, bro?

Probably. I don't think Sidious can dispose of Obi-Wan with a saber like he did the members of the B Team, but I'm sure he could take him out with the Force pretty easily and then just have a 1 on 1 with Dooku.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
What relevations, bro?

Spoiler:
Sidious Force-choking the shit via hologram out of Dooku while the Count was on Serenno in the Outer Rim and Sidious was on Coruscant.