Originally posted by Intrepid37
Not bad. Dooku was probably taken by surprise, though.
Spoiler:
He was. Sidious admonishes him for his previous failures and encourages him to succeed in burying the leak about Sifo-Dyas... all while levitating him off the floor by his neck.
Still, the dynamic in TCW is pretty straight forward. You really don't see that sort of telekinetic dominance unless there's a distinct power gap (Yoda vs. Ventress; Sidious vs. The Zabraks, etc.) or an obvious rage-induced moment (Ventress vs. Anakin & Obi-Wan, Savage vs. Dooku & Ventress).
Yep. Love Yoda: Dark Rendezvous. Best book in the EU.
Originally posted by NephthysSpoiler:
Dooku isn't that much more powerful than Maul or Savage. If Sidious can TK both of them then it just makes sense that he could do so to Dooku too.
At this point, given their own impressive feats, I question whether or not Dooku is more "powerful" than they are at all. More skilled, certainly. More dangerous, absolutely.
Originally posted by Nephthys
If he wasn't, would Sidious kept Dooku as his apprentice instead of the younger Maul?
I think Dooku enjoys some (not total, obviously) semblance of job security given his position as the figurehead of the Separatist movement. Sidious 'needed' Dooku's charisma, reputation, and wealth to aid in the war.
Like I said, I have no doubt that Dooku is altogether more formidable than either Maul or Opress. But in terms of sheer, raw power? They may be closer than what was once thought.
Originally posted by Nephthys
If he wasn't, would Sidious kept Dooku as his apprentice instead of the younger Maul?
Plus we know it was Anakin that he really has his eye on. His current apprentice was only going to be a temporary placeholder, so I don't think he would really care about Maul's potential, but rather simply what he currently brings to the table.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
There we go then. If Star Wars was logical we would never have the whole Kenobi beats Skywalker beats Dooku stomps Kenobi situation.
I'm not sure what you're saying here. The scenarios you're describing are perfectly logical.
A duel has numerous variables which can influence the outcome. Location, environmental hazards, knowledge/understanding of the enemy, state of mind etc. It's NEVER as simple as "Durr, that guy's stronger so he wins durr."
Kenobi was able to defeat Anakin because a) Anakin was blinded by rage b) Kenobi had fought alongside him in numerous battles so he could read him better than anyone and c) there were environmental hazards to exploit (the whole high ground thing).
Against Dooku Anakin was in control of his rage rather than blinded by it, Dooku didn't know how he fought as intimately as Kenobi did and there were no environmental hazards.
Different sets of variables. That is completely logical.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
And the 2nd most Powerful Jedi wouldn't defeat the all powerful Emperor when the Most Powerful Jedi failed to do so.
Mace had the ability to see Shatterpoints and mastery of Vaapad. Two advantages that Yoda did not possess.
Plus Yoda was unable to defeat Palpatine because, again, location. They were fighting in a pod high up in the air and when the lightning ball exploded Yoda was sent flying out of the pod and fell a long way down. Had the duel occurred in say, a grassy meadow, that would not have been the case
Again, different variables. That is completely logical
If I misunderstood and you were in fact saying exactly that, then I apologize.
At least Sidious' force ownage of Dooku is on youtube, though it's in German.
Dooku and Kenobi are both fodder.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
YouTube videoAt least Sidious' force ownage of Dooku is on youtube, though it's in German.
Dooku and Kenobi are both fodder.
"This is not the first time you've proven to be clumsy (fist clench), Lord Tyranus... You know the price of failure."
I guess one can argue that that level of domination would not have happened if Dooku was on-guard, but that notion can be debunked by the fact that Dooku makes it clear from his reaction to Sidious' discussion on how to punish Ventress in Yoda: DR to Dooku's implication during his force torturing of Ventress (also in DR), implying that Sidious gave him the same treatment as he was giving Ventress (Dooku describes the pain Ventress was feeling), that Sidious is very prone to attacking him with the force, so I doubt Dooku is stupid enough to ever be off-guard when speaking with Sidious. I think it's pretty clear that Dooku is just defenseless against the power of Sidious, hence his fear of speaking to him even via hologram.
Now... who's Bane, Vitiate, and Krayt again? (lol)
Maybe Dooku just accepts reality (that Sidious is more powerful and that it wouldn't be in his interests to try to destroy him) and chooses to just take his punishment (when that's all it is, punishment, not the opening move in a fight to the death) rather than defend himself/fight back and in doing so show disobedience, which might prompt Sidious to destroy him?