Darkseid vs Zeus

Originally posted by -K-M-
Yeah I don't see why people are getting upset that abhilegend is lowballing and then a second later they lowball Darkseid themselves.

I still can't believe the Thing/Hercules team-up was canon and not a story Thing was telling to some kids. That's a horrible showing for Zeus. Then you have Ares putting him on his @$$. Zeus getting impaled by a spear. Etc...

Damn Abhi, you just ruined a character for me. 👇

Originally posted by Insane Titan
show me where I've lowballed Darkseid

I wasn't even referencing you as you just started posting. However, you did just come in here claiming that Abh was lowballing and added nothing else to the debate. tsk tsk

Show me where I lowballed Darkseid mungi

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Show me where I lowballed Darkseid mungi

This is Darkseid's ball...this ball can not go any lower

No denying it, if you say otherwise you're not a comicbook fan and have ties to Al-Qaeda

The thing I find ironic about Zeus is that whenever he seems to have a low showing, its usually in a physical sense. Characters holding him back, spears, etc,,,. Its funny that he has so much more in his arsenal, but Marvel jobs him for some reason by throwing fists. I remember the early Hercules mini (I think it was then) when Zeus appeared before him somewhere and it was just his eyes and mouth with a glowing light. He yelled at Hercules with so much force that Hercules was scared shitless. Thats the way he should be portrayed all the time,,,like Odin in my opinion. I do admit that he has some crap showings though. Still think he has the means to beat Darkseid.

Originally posted by abhilegend
nope.

And who said they are PIS? Shulkie has affected Thor several times.

And the spear's superiority?

Doesn't mean it was his power.

Omega sanction IS a power of Darkseid. Its like saying MJOLNIR.

Yes. It was outright stated. 😂

Heh, your lowballing is cute.

One day you will learn the difference between a decision making another future reality never coming into fruition and between an already existing universe being destroyed by someone. One day perhaps.

Forums rules did. Every bit as PIS as She-Hulk herself struggling to overwhelm a thousand human-level Madroxes dogpiled on her.

Overridden by more recent canon.

Yes it does when the writer clarifies said scene to us in an off-panel interview.

The context has been pointed out to you before. Bfring them in an adaptive, self-morphing dimension doesn't count as him "making new realities".

Incorrect. Your scans highlight that Darkseid's connection to the AL entity is what enables him to be one of the conduits for Fate to tap into nigh-omnipotent sources of power.

More like pointing out context which is conveniently left out to put specific characters at power-levels which are several tiers beyond their own scale. The agenda behind which is probably obvious to anyone, lol.

One day you will learn the difference between looking at feats through fanboy goggles and objective analysis of scans. In the meantime, stick to disingenuous lowballing of some specific characters that you hate for no good reason.

his lowballing is legendary at this point. the dedication it takes to document all low feats, the passion involved in such en endeavor....no surprise the sun touching your skin is almost lethal

let me pray about this

Originally posted by -K-M-
I wasn't even referencing you as you just started posting. However, you did just come in here claiming that Abh was lowballing and added nothing else to the debate. tsk tsk

lol

Originally posted by Insane Titan
go back and read earlier in the thread I gave my opinion, also stfu

Originally posted by Epicurus
It really doesn't.

Considering the massive power gap between a herald level character like Thor, and a meta level character like She-Hulk(barring those 4th wall shenanigans), that's essentially a PIS feat. Which, per forum rules, doesn't count. Though issue #s for said feat, just to make sure you're not forgetting some important bit of context would be nice.

If by context, do you mean the fact that Thor was under the influence of a mindbender chip (Three actually, unlike the other Avengers which he would have to actively resist controlling his own body as seen earlier)? Then sure, there is context involved:

Originally posted by Epicurus
Yes.

One day you will learn the difference between looking at feats through fanboy goggles and objective analysis of scans. In the meantime, stick to disingenuous lowballing of some specific characters that you hate for no good reason.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nope.

No they didn't. You randomly stated that She-hulk affecting Thor several times are PIS. That's not how forum works.

Did Zeus survive a spear recently?

Nope. Interviews are non-usable by default by the same forum rules.

Nope, it had no context behind it. You just pulled that outta your ass. The new realities were directly referenced. Omega sanction was also powerful enough to destroy DCU when Bruce returned to present anyway. That alone is enough to shit on Zeus' whole history.

Where? Darkseid has acquired a tiny portion of ALE which was enough to destroy a solar system, not 1/5th of the universe.

What agenda? The characters performed those feats despite what tier KMC has them in. You're assigning a definite power level to comic characters based on their KMC tiers?

facepalm

Heh, so nothing but whining, whining and some more whining.

It does. Though with the context which Rage recently posted, that showing in itself becomes invalid. Anyways, #s for said showings wherein the She-Hulk managed to get the best of Thor?

Overridden by him beating the crap out of Hulk.

Random interviews on random boards. CBR is far from a random board, and writers posting/interviewing on there is a fairly common phenomena.

Yes, it did. Read your own scans. If that doesn't point to the OS dimension simply molding itself to resemble the worse nightmare of its prisoners sort of deal, then you have some serious reading comprehension problems. I'd like #s for the OS destroying the DCU, since context being butchered and scans being completely misrepresented is a common habit of yours. Though, going by that logic, since the war between the French and British empires threatened the omniverse, therefore Marvel's colonial era armies alone>>>>Darkseid.

Acting as a conduit to the might of a being and using a tiny fraction of the same being are not one and the same. Though Orion/High-Father acting as similar conduits to the Source, and Etrigan tapping into primal mystical forces being ignored, and the feat itself being presented as if it was Darkseid himself who blew up that dimension is beyond the disingenuity which you have demonstrated in this thread so far.

The one which is so blatantly obvious every time you post low showings of Marvel characters affiliated with Superman's Marvel contemporaries like Thor/Hulk. And in turn, also post high showings(some of which are blatantly ooc and misinterpreted) of Superman-affiliated characters like the NGs.

Learn to present facts without tainting it with your haterade and bias. Maybe you'll even gain some respect from your contemporaries on this board./shrugs

Originally posted by Epicurus
the French and British empires threatened the omniverse,

We are powerful like that.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
his lowballing is legendary at this point. the dedication it takes to document all low feats, the passion involved in such en endeavor....no surprise the sun touching your skin is almost lethal

let me pray about this

Anyway, She-Hulk helping pull Zeus away after he pretty much one punches Hercules is a terrible showing, and must speak volumes about his strength in comparison to her:
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Zeus/Avengers284_15b.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Zeus/Avengers284_16b.jpg

Or... people are making issues about nothing... no, couldn't be.

This could in no way be turned around and used against Superman considering he has never been "restrained" by weaker people.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Yes.

[b]An obscure interview given by someone involved in a story arc is not proof to refute feats. Neither is a random post by a supposed writer on a message board, blogs, tweets, etc. There have been too many of these so called interviews which go against what's shown on panel. Especially when there is no dialogue to refute what's happening on panel. Most writers are clear with the intentions of the plot and story arc.

Point out where CBR is listed as an exception.

Yes, it did. Read your own scans. If that doesn't point to the OS dimension simply molding itself to resemble the worse nightmare of its prisoners sort of deal, then you have some serious reading comprehension problems.

I'd like #s for the OS destroying the DCU, since context being butchered and scans being completely misrepresented is a common habit of yours.

Though, going by that logic, since the war between the French and British empires threatened the omniverse, therefore Marvel's colonial era armies alone>>>>Darkseid.

Acting as a conduit to the might of a being and using a tiny fraction of the same being are not one and the same.

Death of the New Gods #3
Darkseid has a partial of the Anti-Life equation, which he uses to freeze Mister Miracle and Orion until it’s revealed Mister Miracle has access to the full Anti-Life Equation. However, thanks to knowing partial amount of it Darkseid’s soul will not bend to Miracle’s will

1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/DeathOfTheNewGods03_17.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/DeathOfTheNewGods03_18.jpg
3. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/DeathOfTheNewGods03_19.jpg
4. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/DeathOfTheNewGods03_20.jpg

Its a permanent power up.

Though Orion/High-Father acting as similar conduits to the Source, and Etrigan tapping into primal mystical forces being ignored, and the feat itself being presented as if it was Darkseid himself who blew up that dimension is beyond the disingenuity which you have demonstrated in this thread so far.

The one which is so blatantly obvious every time you post low showings of Marvel characters affiliated with Superman's Marvel contemporaries like Thor/Hulk. And in turn, also post high showings(some of which are blatantly ooc and misinterpreted) of Superman-affiliated characters like the NGs.

Learn to present facts without tainting it with your haterade and bias. Maybe you'll even gain some respect from your contemporaries on this board./shrugs [/B]

Originally posted by psycho gundam
his lowballing is legendary at this point. the dedication it takes to document all low feats, the passion involved in such en endeavor....no surprise the sun touching your skin is almost lethal

let me pray about this

Originally posted by abhilegend
No.

Heh, because Rage thinks just because Thor was mindcontrolled, his strength somehow decreased? Just before that she beat the crap out of him in the previous issue.

Did he survive a spear or not?

Nope, there is no exception in the rule.

[b]An obscure interview given by someone involved in a story arc is not proof to refute feats. Neither is a random post by a supposed writer on a message board, blogs, tweets, etc. There have been too many of these so called interviews which go against what's shown on panel. Especially when there is no dialogue to refute what's happening on panel. Most writers are clear with the intentions of the plot and story arc.

Point out where CBR is listed as an exception.
The omega sanction created various realities which were worse than the previous lives, it wasn't OS molding itself. Return of Bruce Wayne. Just falling of Darkseid destroyed Milestone Universe too as shown in Mcduffie's JLA.

They are above Odin and Zeus too by that logic. I don't have any problem with that but your desperate attempts are duly noted.

Later Starlin showed that Darkseid retained that portion of ALE all that time.

Death of the New Gods #3
Darkseid has a partial of the Anti-Life equation, which he uses to freeze Mister Miracle and Orion until it’s revealed Mister Miracle has access to the full Anti-Life Equation. However, thanks to knowing partial amount of it Darkseid’s soul will not bend to Miracle’s will

1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/DeathOfTheNewGods03_17.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/DeathOfTheNewGods03_18.jpg
3. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/DeathOfTheNewGods03_19.jpg
4. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/DeathOfTheNewGods03_20.jpg

Its a permanent power up.

The differnce being that Orion, Etrigan and Highfather don't have access to that much power in standard form, Darkseid does.

Heh, quite paranoid there bro. I don't even like NGs in the first place but feats are feats.

Learn to read first and talk then. [/B]

Context was posted. You need to let it go.

Less recent than him beating the snot out of the Hulk.

As I myself mentioned, random posts and obscure interviews aren't what one clubs a solicit for a comic book issue. Or an extrapolation by a writer on a feat that is ambiguous.

CBR is not a random board, and interviews posted on it by legit writers(like Gail Simone who is a member both there and on Herochat) do not really count as "obscure/random" posts. Though why exactly do I have to explain this to you is beyond me.

Nope, they didn't. That's your interpretation of the scans. While I am going to check up this Bruce Wayne feat which you just cited, it is far and away below a conflict between colonial era imperial empires causing peril to the omniverse itself.

Nope, they aren't. At least not according to reason, logic, and common sense. Your own methodology however gives us different conclusions.

Not even sure what posting those scans is supposed to prove. Considering that I am talking about him as the conduit to the Anti-Life entity's power, while you're presupposing that him getting a fraction of it has anything to with anything...whatsoever. But fine, let us play ball. Since it's a permanent power upgrade for him according to you, why do you presupposed that it has nothing to do with how he "supplied his power to destroy one-fifth of a universe"?

What? So Darkseid acts a conduit to the power of higher beings every time he makes an appearance in a comic? Even better, acting as a conduit is now some noteworthy feat in itself? What kind of brain-addled, disneyland-jinxed logic is that?

Not really. Considering that you've pulled off similar crap with Green Lantern and Captain Atom, proclaiming them as universal-level beings using out-of-context showings(ignoring the Central Battery in GL's case and the Quantum Field in Cap's case), and seeing how both these characters are Superman-contemporaries as well, I think I might be onto a criminal conspiracy case to solve here. mmm

I will, as soon as you learn to put those fanboy goggles away and look at feats from an unbiased and objective point of view. And learn how to read your own scans before posting them, lol.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Yes.

I will, as soon as you learn to put those fanboy goggles away and look at feats from an unbiased and objective point of view. And learn how to read your own scans before posting them, lol.

Coming from you its golden.

DS is way above zeus. This is not even a contest.