Darkseid vs Zeus

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Branlor Swift Dead

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
If by context, do you mean the fact that Thor was under the influence of a mindbender chip (Three actually, unlike the other Avengers which he would have to actively resist controlling his own body as seen earlier)? Then sure, there is context involved:
When he finally actually got free of the mindbender he felt free. In that scan he just went berserk, which seems to indicate it was still working on some level

But when just one was active Thor's muscles were rebelling against themselves:
http://i62.tinypic.com/2mhdf1l.jpg
http://i58.tinypic.com/16bj5gi.jpg

So naturally Thor was in top form and She-Hulk is just stronger, because this *not intended to be used as a* low feat has great relevance.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Heh, Bran doesn't know what he is doing, does he? Thor was momentarily freed by Kang overloading the mindbender circuitry and that's why he attacked Nebula.

If anything She-Hulk was under the control of mindbenders at that point but her strength wasn't hampered. But somehow Thor being unable to coordinate his attack due to mindbenders just like Black Knight somehow means he was still under the control of the mindbenders and his strength was flagging.

🙄

-K-M- ...........
Originally posted by Insane Titan
go back and read earlier in the thread I gave my opinion, also stfu

Awwww is someone upset? It's ok, it does get better

As I said earlier I wasn't referencing you, nor did I see your previous posts so that's a pretty good indication you weren't on my radar. So you got that going for you

Epicurus True Killer

Originally posted by abhilegend
No.

Yes.
Originally posted by abhilegend
What context? The mindcontrol didn't decrease his strength somehow.

The one which Rage pointed out, and which you so blatantly disregarded in favor of lowballing the crap out of Thor. Not that this is anything new, since you do it quite often.
Originally posted by abhilegend
So he didn't take a spear recently. Good to know.

You're as good at twisting my words as you are at lowballing Marvel characters that you hate. Which is to say, not very good at all seeing your abysmal track record at the latter endeavor.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Nope, interviews are banned. Do I have to get a MOD on this?

Since we're now talking about bringing in mods to make rulings upon specific points in our dispute, let's not conveniently forget that another invitation regarding all the misc universal non-feats you posted earlier is still open. Resolving that before demanding additional rulings on separate points of our discourse would be a prudent way to go about things.

Though it's something which I doubt you're actually willing to go on about completing to its fruition

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nope, its a fact. Make a darkseid vs those armies thread and I would give my answers there. As it is, its just another strawman by you.

Your personal interpretation of scans doesn't count as objective fact. I am not going to make a pointless thread which'll end up getting closed within the first dozen posts simply to satisfy your need to escape from the hole that you've dug yourself into.

Strawman? Methinks you don't actually know the meaning of the term, or else you wouldn't really accuse me of doing that.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Heh, nothing but "Blah, blah, I don't like it so it didn't happen." You've learned well under Snake-eyes I see.

So personal insults are now what you resort to, seeing how you've essentially run out of arguments to defend the fecal logic behind the retarded claim that Darkseid's walking power-level is universal?

At least its not as nearly as bad as the 'balloons n tanks' slogan penned down by your fantasy white knight Philosophia. On that front, you aren't making much progress.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He didn't act as a conduit to ALE. Just before that fight, Darkseid had stolen a part of ALE and that's what was channeled against whole ALE.

It was him through which Fate channeled thag minuscule bit of energy to use against the Anti-Life being. As your own scan illustrates so brilliantly:

That is, in simpler words, him being a conduit to its power.

Not to mention that the feat itself being presented as if it was Darkseid who made that dimension go kaboom is, as mentioned before, extremely disingenuous. Especially when one goes so far as to ignore the Source-based contributions from both High-Father and Orion, not to mention Etrigan's primal mystic forces bit as well.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Here Darkseid sets a plan in motion to make the Anti-Life Entity his slave. He uses Etrigan as part of his plan and actually steals a portion of the evil part of the Source’s power.

1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Cosmic_Odyssey_TPB_070.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Cosmic_Odyssey_TPB_139.jpg
3. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Cosmic_Odyssey_TPB_143.jpg
4. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Cosmic_Odyssey_TPB_144.jpg
5. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Cosmic_Odyssey_TPB_145.jpg
6. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Cosmic_Odyssey_TPB_160.jpg
7. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Cosmic_Odyssey_TPB_161.jpg
8. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Cosmic_Odyssey_TPB_162.jpg
9. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/Cosmic_Odyssey_TPB_163.jpg

That's why its important to first read the story.


Again, not sure what scan after scan being posted from the comic proves anything that you said in regards to Darkseid supposedly supplying power to blow up a fifth of the universe. When the feat in question itself showcases us that there were addtional, arguably more bulky contributions to the feat in the form of High-Father/Orion.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Because its a part of his power after that?

So it is a permanent part of his power after that story was written, but it had nothing whatsoever to do with the feat you posted on pg 6, because...it is a permanent part of his power? Not sure what I am following here.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Heh, you haven't read the story, have you? Go read cosmic Odyssey before you start going ranting like ODG.

Years since I read it, but I find that quite irrelevant, since the argument which we're having is largely based on the scans you yourself provided in this thread. Which actually help build my case, since in each of them some context is conveniently omitted to make the character you're posting the feat for look better, or there is some blatant misinterpretation of the scenes illustrated in the scan, or just outright overlooking of how the feat(s) is/are presented to us.

Originally posted by abhilegend
facepalm

Coming from you its golden.


Lack of smartass retorts essentially equates to a concession on your part.

*Edited*

Epicurus True Killer

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Good times.

Anyway, She-Hulk helping pull Zeus away after he pretty much one punches Hercules is a terrible showing, and must speak volumes about his strength in comparison to her:
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Zeus/Avengers284_15b.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Zeus/Avengers284_16b.jpg

Or... people are making issues about nothing... no, couldn't be.

This could in no way be turned around and used against Superman considering he has never been "restrained" by weaker people.


Just realized that I missed this post. In which case, this essentially ends any and all debate regarding Zeus being overpowered by a meta-level superhuman.

Epicurus True Killer

Originally posted by abhilegend
Heh, it was spelled out that Hal used ONLY his ring to create the universe and I've said it many times that Cap used Quantum Field, its more like you're butthurt than I somehow omitting the context.

Except for the part where said feat occurs within the Central Battery. Not counting the various instances wherein you represented the Cap feat as an example of how these universe-creating power-level showings should be taken with a grain of salt, you mean.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by Epicurus
Yes.
No.

The one which Rage pointed out, and which you so blatantly disregarded in favor of lowballing the crap out of Thor. Not that this is anything new, since you do it quite often.
You mean the context which makes She-hulk weakened rather than thor? Because Thor was freed of mindbenders at that point and Shulkie wasn't.

You're as good at twisting my words as you are at lowballing Marvel characters that you hate. Which is to say, not very good at all seeing your abysmal track record at the latter endeavor.
Heh, now I'm hating marvel characters in general? Keep going bro.

Since we're now talking about bringing in mods to make rulings upon specific points in our dispute, let's not conveniently forget that another invitation regarding all the misc universal non-feats you posted earlier is still open. Resolving that before demanding additional rulings on separate points of our discourse would be a prudent way to go about things.
Go for it. Darkseid has enough universal feats already.

Though it's something which I doubt you're actually willing to go on about completing to its fruition
Why?

Your personal interpretation of scans doesn't count as objective fact.
Without any kind of objection from you, it is.
I am not going to make a pointless thread which'll end up getting closed within the first dozen posts simply to satisfy your need to escape from the hole that you've dug yourself into.
Concession Accepted bro.

Strawman? Methinks you don't actually know the meaning of the term, or else you wouldn't really accuse me of doing that.
Heh, what an utterly pointless point.

So personal insults are now what you resort to, seeing how you've essentially run out of arguments to defend the fecal logic behind the retarded claim that Darkseid's walking power-level is universal?
Insults? Ran out of arguments? Hahahaha.

At least its not as nearly as bad as the 'balloons n tanks' slogan penned down by your fantasy white knight Philosophia. On that front, you aren't making much progress.
Now you're actually taking another poster's arguments and projecting? Nice going there Quan.

It was him through which Fate channeled thag minuscule bit of energy to use against the Anti-Life being. As your own scan illustrates so brilliantly:

That is, in simpler words, him being a conduit to its power.
] No, it shows him having that portion of power. "Some of the might of our own nemesis." If he was conduit, he would've channeled more than his portion of power.

Not to mention that the feat itself being presented as if it was Darkseid who made that dimension go kaboom is, as mentioned before, extremely disingenuous. Especially when one goes so far as to ignore the Source-based contributions from both High-Father and Orion, not to mention Etrigan's primal mystic forces bit as well.
Again this? You could repeat it as many times and it wouldn't make any difference. Highfather channeled Source's power, Etrigan did to primal mystic power but Darkseid provided power which he already had and now does as shown in DOTNG.

Again, not sure what scan after scan being posted from the comic proves anything that you said in regards to Darkseid supposedly supplying power to blow up a fifth of the universe. When the feat in question itself showcases us that there were addtional, arguably more bulky contributions to the feat in the form of High-Father/Orion.
Hah, what? How did they provide more than Darkseid? What a shitty strawman though.

So it is a permanent part of his power after that story was written, but it had nothing whatsoever to do with the feat you posted on pg 6, because...it is a permanent part of his power? Not sure what I am following here.
What? He has access to that power as shown in DOTNG. He has power shown to destroy 1/5th of universe permanently. What's hard to understand about that? Oh right.

Years since I read it, but I find that quite irrelevant, since the argument which we're having is largely based on the scans you yourself provided in this thread. Which actually help build my case, since in each of them some context is conveniently omitted to make the character you're posting the feat for look better, or there is some blatant misinterpretation of the scenes illustrated in the scan, or just outright overlooking of how the feat(s) is/are presented to us.
So nothing but a "Mr Master" type pointless post. You've got to do better.

Lack of smartass retorts essentially equates to a concession on your part.

*Edited*

Hahaha, that's just teh most laughable thing I heard all day.

Except for the part where said feat occurs within the Central Battery.
Which means nothing as it was stated that the ring was what created that universe. The ring wasn't supercharged or Hal used power of that battery. In fact he had totally forgotten he was in CPB at all.
Not counting the various instances wherein you represented the Cap feat as an example of how these universe-creating power-level showings should be taken with a grain of salt, you mean.
And what about it?

Branlor Swift Dead

Originally posted by abhilegend
Heh, Bran doesn't know what he is doing, does he? Thor was momentarily freed by Kang overloading the mindbender circuitry and that's why he attacked Nebula.

If anything She-Hulk was under the control of mindbenders at that point but her strength wasn't hampered. But somehow Thor being unable to coordinate his attack due to mindbenders just like Black Knight somehow means he was still under the control of the mindbenders and his strength was flagging.

🙄

Don't know why I clicked this, but there's a reason you're on ignore, so jokes on me I guess.

Like I said in my post, when Thor was actually freed as in the mindbenders stopped working completely, he felt free:
http://i60.tinypic.com/24owyv9.jpg

When Kang temporarily disrupted it, he went berserk, which seems to indicate it still worked on some level. And when it worked on some level, Thor was working against himself.

But oh no, obviously me comparing him being free to him being berserk indicates I missed the panel of Kang speaking. Thanks for pointing that out Master Secrets. Obviously my post wasn't referring to exactly that. Gee, I didn't know the context, and now you Abhi, master of context pointed that out to me!

Twisty Mctwist lies like always. Good to know some things only get worse with time.
Because Thor was actively fighting it, and She-Hulk wasn't. It's outright stated one wouldn't be able to contain him, which is why they put three on him. One only made him fight with himself and have him outright state that his muscles were rebelling against him. Show the scan of She-Hulk stating the same please or shut up with your false points.

Or are you trying to indicate in some way that She-Hulk knocking around a uncoordinated Thor who was weaker due to fighting the control is some sort of tell of Thor's strength as well as your lowballing of She-Hulk holding down Thor?

In that case, I'm sure PR would love to see how great your current argument is. If only there were some way to alert a mod to show how great a post is... 🙂

Though honestly it looks like you just found something you quickly skimmed over and said "Well, this will definitely help all my future arguments!"
So meh. But feel free to make a She-Hulk vs Thor strength comparison thread if you believe your scan and take on the events so much. You won't of course, but that's just you.
I'll help you out though if you do actually believe your arguments and your take of the events:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/newthread.php?s=&action=newthread&forumid=77

Not that this feat matters in the slightest considering Superman has been held back by Alan Scott of all people, so if that's legit, I fail to see how Shulk is a knock. Or is it time that people start posting Alan Scott holding back Superman like it makes some sort of point in threads?
And I have absolutely no idea what She-Hulk holding back Thor has to do with anything, but I'm going to assume it definitely is not lowballing.

-K-M- ...........

Good on you guys for writing those long posts. I didn't read them as reading gives me cramps; but good on ya as my drive to debate like that is long gone

Branlor Swift Dead
Originally posted by -K-M-
Good on you guys for writing those long posts. I didn't read them as reading gives me cramps; but good on ya as my drive to debate like that is long gone

Samsquanch vs Colossus thread incoming

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Good times.

Anyway, She-Hulk helping pull Zeus away after he pretty much one punches Hercules is a terrible showing, and must speak volumes about his strength in comparison to her:
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Zeus/Avengers284_15b.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Zeus/Avengers284_16b.jpg

Or... people are making issues about nothing... no, couldn't be.

This could in no way be turned around and used against Superman considering he has never been "restrained" by weaker people.

👆

Also, in that same scan he tanked a punch from Namor. Outright no sold it. Zeus is a freaking beast.

-K-M- ...........
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Samsquanch vs Colossus thread incoming

Skank!......and I mean that in a good way

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Don't know why I clicked this, but there's a reason you're on ignore, so jokes on me I guess.

Like I said in my post, when Thor was actually freed as in the mindbenders stopped working completely, he felt free:
http://i60.tinypic.com/24owyv9.jpg

When Kang temporarily disrupted it, he went berserk, which seems to indicate it still worked on some level. And when it worked on some level, Thor was working against himself.

But oh no, obviously me comparing him being free to him being berserk indicates I missed the panel of Kang speaking. Thanks for pointing that out Master Secrets. Obviously my post wasn't referring to exactly that. Gee, I didn't know the context, and now you Abhi, master of context pointed that out to me!

Twisty Mctwist lies like always. Good to know some things only get worse with time.
Because Thor was actively fighting it, and She-Hulk wasn't. It's outright stated one wouldn't be able to contain him, which is why they put three on him. One only made him fight with himself and have him outright state that his muscles were rebelling against him. Show the scan of She-Hulk stating the same please or shut up with your false points.

Or are you trying to indicate in some way that She-Hulk knocking around a uncoordinated Thor who was weaker due to fighting the control is some sort of tell of Thor's strength as well as your lowballing of She-Hulk holding down Thor?

In that case, I'm sure PR would love to see how great your current argument is. If only there were some way to alert a mod to show how great a post is... 🙂

Though honestly it looks like you just found something you quickly skimmed over and said "Well, this will definitely help all my future arguments!"
So meh. But feel free to make a She-Hulk vs Thor strength comparison thread if you believe your scan and take on the events so much. You won't of course, but that's just you.
I'll help you out though if you do actually believe your arguments and your take of the events:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/newthread.php?s=&action=newthread&forumid=77

Not that this feat matters in the slightest considering Superman has been held back by Alan Scott of all people, so if that's legit, I fail to see how Shulk is a knock. Or is it time that people start posting Alan Scott holding back Superman like it makes some sort of point in threads?
And I have absolutely no idea what She-Hulk holding back Thor has to do with anything, but I'm going to assume it definitely is not lowballing.


Hey, you made a very long post with very few points worth. But hey since only Thor's strength can be hampered by mindbenders and who was actually free of them (I actually laughed at your reasoning that since Thor was berserk, he must've been still be influenced by it because he said he was free or something."

But I wasn't lowballing Thor, calm down. I was just pointing out that She-Hulk restraining one of Zeus' arms isn't out of possibility.

Also Alan can restrain anybody, don't be a hater. What is Superman doing in this thread anyway? Did he fight Zeus sometimes and I forgot it?

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by carver9
👆

Also, in that same scan he tanked a punch from Namor. Outright no sold it. Zeus is a freaking beast.


Darkseid no sold Lobo.

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Lobogreat1.jpg

And Supergirl while he was weakened.

Here Darkseid takes a hit from a pissed of Supergirl and it does nothing to him, he even casually strolls away as he doesn’t want to fight. This is even when Darkseid was later to be revealed to be weaker then normal as he lost most of the Omega Force being traped in the Source Wall just an issue earlier.

1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/SupermanBatman25-09.jpg
2. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/SupermanBatman25-10-11.jpg
3. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/SupermanBatman25-13.jpg

Both stronger than Namor.

Branlor Swift Dead

Originally posted by abhilegend
Hey, you made a very long post with very few points worth. But hey since only Thor's strength can be hampered by mindbenders and who was actually free of them (I actually laughed at your reasoning that since Thor was berserk, he must've been still be influenced by it because he said he was free or something."

But I wasn't lowballing Thor, calm down. I was just pointing out that She-Hulk restraining one of Zeus' arms isn't out of possibility.

Also Alan can restrain anybody, don't be a hater. What is Superman doing in this thread anyway? Did he fight Zeus sometimes and I forgot it?

You lowballed for what I presume has been an entire thread. So I guess we're even.
Way to refute it. Also, yes, only Thor can be hampered by them since he's the only one who was and needed three of them to work. I asked you to post a scan saying the same thing of Shulk. You failed. You're wrong.

You weren't lowballing Thor by using Shulk as an example, you were lowballing Zeus instead by using Shulk as an example. This... this is your defense. Well, if you were only lowballing Zeus... but seriously, context has been pointed out, and you are ignoring it as if Shulk holding back Thor is legitimate evidence. If your original intention wasn't to lowball Thor (hahahahahahahahahahahahaha), it sure the hell turned into it.
But yes, lowballing Thor means it makes sense to also lowball Zeus. Logic.

But anyway, as previously shown, Zeus is far far far above Shulk physically. Her helping hold him away from killing Hercules doesn't change the facts.

So Zeus being in the thread is clause enough to lowball Thor, yet you figure it's way out of bounds to bring up Superman... who totally has never fought Darkseid? Do you even think about the things you say?
And lowballing Marvel (or even DC) characters that threaten Superman on the forums is your entire game, o innocent Abhi. So yeah, way out of bounds on my part to assume that you lowballing Thor had something to do with Superman.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
You lowballed for what I presume has been an entire thread. So I guess we're even.
We are?
Way to refute it. Also, yes, only Thor can be hampered by them since he's the only one who was and needed three of them to work. I asked you to post a scan saying the same thing of Shulk. You failed. You're wrong.
Heh, you are so full of yourself its not even funny. But hey, look here.

http://i.imgur.com/zID0ysh.jpg

She-Hulk says the same when she gets freed. And she wasn't talking about her strength, she was talking about her thoughts. The mindbenders only decreased concentration as Nebula stated and Thor was freed of them when Shulkie restrained him. I don't know why that's so offending to you when she says that he's too strong and she could only restrain him for a few moments.

You weren't lowballing Thor by using Shulk as an example, you were lowballing Zeus instead by using Shulk as an example.
Hahahaha, oh bran you jokester. Anything that doesn't suits or shows Zeus in the brightest light is lowballing? What happened to averages? Zeus oneshotted the whole Avengers team in that showing and nearly killed Hercules in a few punches but mentioning that Thor and Shulkie restrained him is lowballing now?
This... this is your defense. Well, if you were only lowballing Zeus... but seriously, context has been pointed out, and you are ignoring it as if Shulk holding back Thor is legitimate evidence. If your original intention wasn't to lowball Thor (hahahahahahahahahahahahaha), it sure the hell turned into it.
A context which shows Thor was actually free of mindcontrol when Shulkie who was mindcontrolled restrained him? But hey, you ignored that too.
But yes, lowballing Thor means it makes sense to also lowball Zeus. Logic.
Only you and your merry band of marvel wankers think so bro. Zeus wasn't dropped by a spear or knocked onto his ass by Ares in that shwoing. He was above top tier and he was restrained by Thor and She-Hulk, no shame in that.

But anyway, as previously shown, Zeus is far far far above Shulk physically. Her helping hold him away from killing Hercules doesn't change the facts.
I never said otherwise. Thor+She-Hulk were stronger than him though.

So Zeus being in the thread is clause enough to lowball Thor, yet you figure it's way out of bounds to bring up Superman... who totally has never fought Darkseid? Do you even think about the things you say?
Wut? I only pointed out that Shulkie was able to restrain Thor himself for a few moments in that series, that's a high showing for Shulkie rather than a low showing for Thor.
And lowballing Marvel (or even DC) characters that threaten Superman on the forums is your entire game, o innocent Abhi. So yeah, way out of bounds on my part to assume that you lowballing Thor had something to do with Superman.
I don't have to lowball Thor against Superman. See my sig for what happened the last time they met.

😉

Insane Titan Senior Member

Originally posted by -K-M-
Awwww is someone upset? It's ok, it does get better

As I said earlier I wasn't referencing you, nor did I see your previous posts so that's a pretty good indication you weren't on my radar. So you got that going for you

upset about what?

I forgot you're one if the posters on here that thinks he's important and has some sort of standing

Badabing Gym rat

Whatever is happening in this thread needs to stop. Let's get back to topic please.

-K-M- ...........

Originally posted by Insane Titan
upset about what?

I forgot you're one if the posters on here that thinks he's important and has some sort of standing

Yeah you're upset judging from this rant

I do? Bwahaha where did this come from? I don't really even post here anymore

Unfortunately, I do not think I have any standing on this board. Thanks for letting me know what I think though

Edit: I reread my post you quoted and that was meant to be tongue in cheek. Was not an attack or be serious. I even posted a soccer ball to show darkseid's ball being lowballed earlier. I think you may have thought I was being serious. If that's the case just miscommunication

Diesldude Senior Member

Originally posted by abhilegend
Darkseid no sold Lobo.

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Lobogreat1.jpg

This reminds me of how Odin mistreated Thor in fear itself.