Darkseid vs Zeus

Originally posted by abhilegend
We are?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Heh, you are so full of yourself its not even funny. But hey, look here.

http://i.imgur.com/zID0ysh.jpg

She-Hulk says the same when she gets freed. And she wasn't talking about her strength, she was talking about her thoughts. The mindbenders only decreased concentration as Nebula stated and Thor was freed of them when Shulkie restrained him. I don't know why that's so offending to you when she says that he's too strong and she could only restrain him for a few moments.

I'm not offended that the showing exists. I'm just worried that someone twists the hell out of it while using it as a low showing, while completely ignoring the context. Don't know why this showing is so important to your cause though. Wait... to lowball Zeus as well.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Hahahaha, oh bran you jokester. Anything that doesn't suits or shows Zeus in the brightest light is lowballing? What happened to averages? Zeus oneshotted the whole Avengers team in that showing and nearly killed Hercules in a few punches but mentioning that Thor and Shulkie restrained him is lowballing now?

If Shulk was so strong in that series, then what possible reason could this feat have been brought up? We know Shulk is nowhere near Zeus going by averages, so what exactly could the reason be for bringing this up?

I realize what happened in the series. I also realize that Zeus was directly far superior to Shulk physically. Which brings into question why this feat was brought up again. But yes, what did happen to averages?

Originally posted by abhilegend
A context which shows Thor was actually free of mindcontrol when Shulkie who was mindcontrolled restrained him? But hey, you ignored that too.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Only you and your merry band of marvel wankers think so bro. Zeus wasn't dropped by a spear or knocked onto his ass by Ares in that shwoing. He was above top tier and he was restrained by Thor and She-Hulk, no shame in that.

It's like you can't resist.

But yes, me being a Marvel Wanker, and a spear and Ares are definitely relevant to questioning why Shulk restraining Thor/Zeus is being brought up. How dare I.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I never said otherwise. Thor+She-Hulk were stronger than him though.

Which applies to not only the Thor example, but Alan Scott restraining Superman as well. Your intention was to show strength with the restraint showings. Which means again, your intention was to lowball.

Apparently any time anyone has ever been restrained, they'd been weaker according to you. Which means you think Shulk was stronger than Thor as well. Or does that not apply to Shulk/Thor? And do tell why it doesn't apply, hmm?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Wut? I only pointed out that Shulkie was able to restrain Thor himself for a few moments in that series, that's a high showing for Shulkie rather than a low showing for Thor.

Also, what exactly does it not being a low showing for anyone, but rather a high showing for Shulk even mean in the confines of a vs thread? How do you measure that out to figure out its definite placement? And if it's not a low showing, then again, why is it being brought up for either Thor or Zeus?

But anyway, your response has nothing to do with what I wrote anyway, Captain Innocent. You acted like Superman being brought up was way out of bounds (who has a direct connection to Darkseid), yet you feel as if Thor being restrained by Shulk has a place in this thread. It's hypocrisy at its finest.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I don't have to lowball Thor against Superman. See my sig for what happened the last time they met.

😉

Originally posted by Badabing
Whatever is happening in this thread needs to stop. Let's get back to topic please.

Anyway, I feel some people think Zeus wins, and some people think Darkseid wins. I feel one of those is correct.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
No.

That isn't the same thing at all though. Thor's body was actively working against him while he was chipped. All she did was note that she was mind controlled, and she is now not being mind controlled.
Thor's muscles however were rebelling against him. And he was actively fighting the control, she wasn't. So again, show me where Shulk stated her body was fighting against her.

I'm not offended that the showing exists. I'm just worried that someone twists the hell out of it while using it as a low showing, while completely ignoring the context. Don't know why this showing is so important to your cause though. Wait... to lowball Zeus as well.

You using it the way you are is lowballing. Not the feat itself.

If Shulk was so strong in that series, then what possible reason could this feat have been brought up? We know Shulk is nowhere near Zeus going by averages, so what exactly could the reason be for bringing this up?

I realize what happened in the series. I also realize that Zeus was directly far superior to Shulk physically. Which brings into question why this feat was brought up again. But yes, what did happen to averages?

Like I pointed out before, they had to have still had some effect for him to just go berserk like he did, yet when they actually stopped working completely, he felt refreshed. Did Kang disable one, two? It wasn't stated, but it was definitely not the same as when all three stopped working.
And She-Hulk was never physically effected anyway, so your improper application of Thor's issue to hers is irrelevant. It doesn't matter if she was controlled or not. That's all in your mind that it matters.

So me questioning you about lowballing leads you to calling me a Marvel wanking, and causes you to bring up a couple low feats of Zeus.

It's like you can't resist.

But yes, me being a Marvel Wanker, and a spear and Ares are definitely relevant to questioning why Shulk restraining Thor/Zeus is being brought up. How dare I.

And this is exactly what I know your point was the entire time.

Which applies to not only the Thor example, but Alan Scott restraining Superman as well. Your intention was to show strength with the restraint showings. Which means again, your intention was to lowball.

Apparently any time anyone has ever been restrained, they'd been weaker according to you. Which means you think Shulk was stronger than Thor as well. Or does that not apply to Shulk/Thor? And do tell why it doesn't apply, hmm?

And your point above has you saying that being restrained means you're weaker. But yes, you only pointed that out, and then two other people explained the context. And then you felt the need to keep pointing it out and explain why it's perfectly reasonable.

Also, what exactly does it not being a low showing for anyone, but rather a high showing for Shulk even mean in the confines of a vs thread? How do you measure that out to figure out its definite placement? And if it's not a low showing, then again, why is it being brought up for either Thor or Zeus?

But anyway, your response has nothing to do with what I wrote anyway, Captain Innocent. You acted like Superman being brought up was way out of bounds (who has a direct connection to Darkseid), yet you feel as if Thor being restrained by Shulk has a place in this thread. It's hypocrisy at its finest.

Good, then you don't have to. But you do, so the outcome is apparently irrelevant.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No.

You mean the context which makes She-hulk weakened rather than thor? Because Thor was freed of mindbenders at that point and Shulkie wasn't.

Heh, now I'm hating marvel characters in general? Keep going bro.

Go for it. Darkseid has enough universal feats already.

Why?

Without any kind of objection from you, it is. Concession Accepted bro.

Heh, what an utterly pointless point.

Insults? Ran out of arguments? Hahahaha.

Now you're actually taking another poster's arguments and projecting? Nice going there Quan.

] No, it shows him having that portion of power. "Some of the might of our own nemesis." If he was conduit, he would've channeled more than his portion of power.

Again this? You could repeat it as many times and it wouldn't make any difference. Highfather channeled Source's power, Etrigan did to primal mystic power but Darkseid provided power which he already had and now does as shown in DOTNG.

Hah, what? How did they provide more than Darkseid? What a shitty strawman though.

What? He has access to that power as shown in DOTNG. He has power shown to destroy 1/5th of universe permanently. What's hard to understand about that? Oh right.

So nothing but a "Mr Master" type pointless post. You've got to do better.

Hahaha, that's just teh most laughable thing I heard all day.

Which means nothing as it was stated that the ring was what created that universe. The ring wasn't supercharged or Hal used power of that battery. In fact he had totally forgotten he was in CPB at all. And what about it?

Nope, the context which actually completely invalidates the supposed low showing wherein the She-Hulk gets the better of Thor. Though I doubt I need to go in-depth into it, seeing as Bran already did the honors.

That much is an indisputable fact not up for debate. In fact, what you do to Marvel characters is almost comparable to what Gertrude Baniszewski did to Sylvia Likens.

Are you sure about it? I'll pm Bada and Pr in a short while and post all the relevant scans, and let them decide.

Maybe because it would in all likelihood, not be ruled in your favor?

Nope, it really isn't though. But nice job of going quan-lite in this scenario and then accusing me of aping Quan a few sentences later.

I agree that your poorly formulated lowballing is indeed pointless at this point.

Truth hurts worse than the sunlight on your skin.

Not any worse than you claiming that I am under trollery tutelage from Silent Master. And that quan comment was predictable, but still cute nonetheless.

Actually it shows him acting as the conduit to said might which Darkseid had managed to siphon off from the entity. Why would you need to channel additional power in order to classify as a conduit? Heck, when has this ever been the generic case in comics to begin with?

He provided access to the fraction of the Anti-Life being's power which he and Etrigan had plotted to siphon off as your own scans so brilliantly illustrate. Though still, why one has to go to such extreme lenghts to downplay the arguably more pronounced contributions of the other players in the field(High-Father and Orion) in order to make it seem as if the bulk of the feat was performed by Darkseid, and that said power cam from Darkseid's own personal reserves, escapes me.

By acting as direct harnesses to the power of the Source, as opposed to Darkseid who only acted as a conduit to a fraction of the power of the Source's antithesis?

I am not sure how you go about form claiming that "Darkseid has acquired a tiny portion of ALE which was enough to destroy a solar system, not 1/5th of the universe." to what you just said above. Though I am fairly sure that it would make for an excellent million dollar question.

Coming from the guy who's just partaken in at least 3 separate scan-blitzes in this very thread...though I got's ta agree, you're definitely the paragon of anti-hypocrisy.

Then you should read some of your own posts. The laughability produced from my walls o' text doesn't even begin to compare to the hilarity which is abhilegend's posting history on KMC's Comicbook Versus forums.

Him being within the Central Battery, which is essentially an endless reservoir for power for a Green Lantern Ring, in itself puts question marks on the feat. It's almost like people highballing the crap out of H'El taking Supergirl's bullrush to his chest without even budging, claiming that he no-sold an amped Kara, all the while ignoring that as a kryptonian, him standing on the Sun amped him as well.

Conisdering that you're only about as good at comprehending someone's posts as you are at comprehending the very scans you post to lowball characters, you won't get it.

You didn't hear what bada said?

^That post apparently skipped me. Or I skipped it. Or we skipped each other.

I dunno./shrugs

This conversation is over.

srug

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Bah. Stupid computer froze and overheated when I was writing my post.

Anyway, I feel some people think Zeus wins, and some people think Darkseid wins. I feel one of those is correct.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Ok, its clear that we're an impasse. So seeing what Bada said, I walk out of this conversation. Have fun. Darkseid wins anyway. Better feats in general.

Originally posted by Epicurus
^That post apparently skipped me. Or I skipped it. Or we skipped each other.

I dunno./shrugs

Originally posted by Badabing
DS win without lowballing the other character, or straying way off topic.

😂

Why not just ask for a billion dollars?

Zeus' beard gives em the win 😄

Originally posted by carver9
👆

Also, in that same scan he tanked a punch from Namor. Outright no sold it. Zeus is a freaking beast.

Yep

DS aint bout that life.

He bout the swagger

I'll settle this once and for all. The one wearing the skirt wins.

Ummm,,,,well damn.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Good times.

Anyway, She-Hulk helping pull Zeus away after he pretty much one punches Hercules is a terrible showing, and must speak volumes about his strength in comparison to her:
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Zeus/Avengers284_15b.jpg
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m610/sonnendawg/Zeus/Avengers284_16b.jpg

Or... people are making issues about nothing... no, couldn't be.

This could in no way be turned around and used against Superman considering he has never been "restrained" by weaker people.

brb

Originally posted by guy222
He bout the swagger

I think comics have pretty clearly established at this point that momentarily holding someone back is no indication of relative strength. Using that, in favor of Zeus stomping Thor and manhandling (And one-shotting) Namor, and She-Hulk in the same comic as well as Hercules?

Extreme bias must be like inhaling lead paint.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I think comics have pretty clearly established at this point that momentarily holding someone back is no indication of relative strength. Using that, in favor of Zeus stomping Thor and manhandling (And one-shotting) Namor, and She-Hulk in the same comic as well as Hercules?

Extreme bias must be like inhaling lead paint.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
you've just uttered the "S" word so he'll be back for a piece of you. Since I've just seen this now I have to go back to see what he said to you in response cause I know he was involuntarily compelled to set you straight.

brb