Originally posted by ares834
I get it, it's a taste preference but I'm just as happy with a good cheesy show as a good "mature" one.
Ah, okay sure, that makes sense. 😉 As I said earlier, I love my cheese and I do love Flash as well. I think I just needed bit of a break in my diet and Powers came as a welcome relief, which is why I am enjoying it so much.
I'll freely admit, though, if Flash has more episodes like the last one I might change my mind again!
Originally posted by -Pr-
Shit, that's not Phoenix level. Aquaman can do that.Still impressive though, obviously.
I said movie Phoenix level. Because they are all much more watered down compared to their comic counterparts. Movie Phoenix's best feat was probably leveling most of that island. And...
Spoiler:
That tsunami was going to hit that entire city. Like I said before, the amount of water that takes is beyond what most people could truly comprehend. For a comicbook tv/movie adaptation, that's one of the more high end feats we have seen from either a Marvel or DC character.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
So is Barry now faster than Eobard?
Not necessarily.
It may just be an ability.
You would think to go back in time, you would at least need to be at light speed. But I don't think he was any where close to that.
Wells has some of his own abilities that we have not seen Barry replicate, such as the after-image and vibrating through objects.
Back to the last episode - the explanation offered has some holes. The video projection was smart, but doesn't cover everything. So the man in the yellow suit was only a projection, and he was actually beating himself up in the containment area. But when he leaves the containment area, presumably, he changes into the yellow suit, and the injured Wells is just an after image. The problem is the after-image he demonstrates only stands still, and does not last that long. So after he leaves the building, the police would have attended to Wells/Image while RF was fighting Barry outside, and discovered it is an illusion.
In episode 9, the after-image would have lasted at least 1 minute 30 seconds. The illusion also moves of its own accord. Now what Wells demonstrated to Cisco was likely not his full power, but its too far a stretch for me.
Still, an awesome episode, worth the wait.
Originally posted by Placidity
Not necessarily.It may just be an ability.
You would think to go back in time, you would at least need to be at light speed. But I don't think he was any where close to that.
Wells has some of his own abilities that we have not seen Barry replicate, such as the after-image and vibrating through objects.
Barry did dodge a lightening strike in that same episode. As for the Vibrating...he has come close to it in the Arrow/Flash crossover. Vibrating himself to expel the tranquilizer....still not really the same but it is a good start.
Originally posted by BlackZero30x
Barry did dodge a lightening strike in that same episode. As for the Vibrating...he has come close to it in the Arrow/Flash crossover. Vibrating himself to expel the tranquilizer....still not really the same but it is a good start.
A lightning bolt moves far slower than the speed of light. 30%-50% from what I could find (and those are the highest estimates).
It's too soon for Barry to be going that fast. Remember Season 1 isn't even over yet. That's something I would expect in the series finale - light speed, time travelling, and going into the Speed force at will. Comparable to Clark moving a planet at the end of Smallville.
Originally posted by Placidity
A lightning bolt moves far slower than the speed of light. 30%-50% from what I could find (and those are the highest estimates).
I'll agree to disagree on this because I myself am not a scientist and I don't have a source to site but according to my friend (who is about a year away from his PHD in physics) Electricity travels at the speed of light while the electrons themselves actually move much slower.
Im just throwing that out there to let you know what im told but like I said I have no source to site and I know the "My friend says" argument isn't really valid...So ill agree to disagree.
Eiher way there is a way to find out about how fast he was moving before he time traveled. Figure out how fast he would need to move in order to stop a tsunami that big the way he did. EDIT: Also what may have caused it could have been a build up of Speed Force energy like Prof Stein said in an earlier episode.
Originally posted by BlackZero30x
I'll agree to disagree on this because I myself am not a scientist and I don't have a source to site but according to my friend (who is about a year away from his PHD in physics) Electricity travels at the speed of light while the electrons themselves actually move much slower.Im just throwing that out there to let you know what im told but like I said I have no source to site and I know the "My friend says" argument isn't really valid...So ill agree to disagree.
You can just Google this. There are sources everywhere (university publications). Wiki would be a good start.
http://www.ucar.edu/communications/factsheets/Lightning.html
"Electricity" is not the same as a lightning bolt. I'm definitely no expert either, but as I said its easy to read up on it.
Originally posted by BlackZero30x
Eiher way there is a way to find out about how fast he was moving before he time traveled. Figure out how fast he would need to move in order to stop a tsunami that big the way he did. EDIT: Also what may have caused it could have been a build up of Speed Force energy like Prof Stein said in an earlier episode.
The problem is he didn't stop the tidal wave, we don't know if he could've stopped it. Caitlin didn't think he could run that fast. And even if he did, its not like we can measure how fast he was based on this because it's likely not based on reality - that is to say a human-sized object moving fast along the coast line would probably do nothing to do stop the tidal wave.
But we know for sure he wasn't at light speed, because you can see how fast the yellow flash is moving along the coast line. At light speed, he would've circled around the world's equator 7.5 times in one second. If you really wanted to, you can measure the distance of the section of the coast that we could see on screen, and how long it took him to move from one end to the other.
You can see for yourself. It is at about 40:30.
Lets say it took him 0.1 seconds to go from the right to the left of the screen. He is probably not moving this fast.
Below is an indicator of what 0.1 seconds looks like.
I've checked the standard US city block is 200 meters wide. You can count how many buildings there are along the coast in the screenshot. Or just estimate how long it is by yourself.
I'm just going to guess 20, which is generous. So 20 x 200 = 4000 meters.
Meaning he is moving at 40,000 meters / second.
Speed of sound = 340 m/s.
He is moving at 117x speed of sound. and 0.01% of light speed. Even if he speeds up 100x during his run, thats only 1% of light speed.
His best speed feat so far (if I remember correctly) was earlier in the season where he was moving so fast, it looks like he froze time. I would be interested if someone could calculate how fast at a minimum he must've been. Can use the falling sugar as a reference since we cannot see it move at all.
Yeah its obviously not based on reality but what I mean is if you can give the best estimation on how much force was behind the Tsunami. Then you would need about that much force to cancel it out. Also did I miss something? I don't recall it showing that he didn't stop the wave.
Anyways The flaw with the formula you gave is you would need a grasp on how many times he ran back and forth along the coastline.
EDIT: Also like I said referring to prof Stein. He said a build up of kinetic energy(most likely speed force in this case) would rupture the time barrier if he was going at a certain speed.
Originally posted by BlackZero30x
Yeah its obviously not based on reality but what I mean is if you can give the best estimation on how much force was behind the Tsunami. Then you would need about that much force to cancel it out. Also did I miss something? I don't recall it showing that he didn't stop the wave.
That makes sense. But I'm not sure it would allow us to infer his speed.
Originally posted by BlackZero30xAnyways The flaw with the formula you gave is you would need a grasp on how many times he ran back and forth along the coastline.
No, I'm just figuring out how fast he was from point A to point B during the 1 second scene at 40:30 in the last episode.
Originally posted by BlackZero30x
EDIT: Also like I said referring to prof Stein. He said a build up of kinetic energy(most likely speed force in this case) would rupture the time barrier if he was going at a certain speed.
Have to admit I don't remember this clearly, need to re-watch.
I'm interested in how Wells intends to use Barry's speed (steal his "speed force"?) to time travel. I really hope he is still a main villain in Season 2, no one else comes close. All the other villains so far rely heavily on CIS, but RF proves a true force to be reckoned with. And he plays the character so well.
In regards to feats, I also missed this: