The Flash

Originally posted by Placidity
That makes sense. But I'm not sure it would allow us to infer his speed.

No, I'm just figuring out how fast he was from point A to point B during the 1 second scene at 40:30 in the last episode.

Have to admit I don't remember this clearly, need to re-watch.

I'm interested in how Wells intends to use Barry's speed (steal his "speed force"?) to time travel. I really hope he is still a main villain in Season 2, no one else comes close. All the other villains so far rely heavily on CIS, but RF proves a true force to be reckoned with. And he plays the character so well.

In regards to feats, I also missed this:

Ooh from point A-B. I thought you meant how fast he was moving back and forth. Im sure his speed was building the more he ran. And yeah it right after he figure out he is going to time travel at some point he goes to stein at one point. It was right after they separated Firestorm for the first time. Also I agree but I think this story will be over by the end of this season. What I have been reading Season two will focus on The Rouges. I would Like "Wells" to stay on as a regular bad guy though! You're absalutly right NO ONE compares lol

Originally posted by -Pr-
Hopefully Grodd can work as a more long-term villain, rather than a metahuman of the week kinda deal.

Well I doubt Reverse Flash will remain the main villain come S2, so they'll need someone else- Grodd maybe.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Well I doubt Reverse Flash will remain the main villain come S2, so they'll need someone else- Grodd maybe.

Well, it does kind of feel like they are building Grodd up to become one of the big bads of the show. Just showing us glimpses here, mentions there, a taste of his developing telepathic power here etc.

The show is going to have to start relying on cringe-worthy levels of PIS/CIS to make certain villains relevant anymore. Barry should simply be way too fast for any non-powered human to even react to, let alone hurt. Lightning might not travel at light speed, but it is still several travels hella fast (typical bolt apparently moves at 3,700 miles per second).

Spoiler:
Barry not only dodged that, but carried Joe out of the way as well. And he only really started moving when that bolt was almost right on top of them.

We already had an example with that "crossing stream" crap in the Cold and Heatwave episode. Barry shows himself in the Arrow/Flash crossovers to be fast enough to disarm, bind (and even strip and transport) guys before they can react, but he needs to come up with some ridiculous plan in order to beat Cold and Heatwave? Based even on his feats against other human, he should have been able to blitz, disarm and bind those two before they could even raise their guns.

^ Honestly for me that was one of the worst episodes. Because they were making a threat where there shouldn't be one.

Cover them in some kind of hi-tech body armour to at least make it believable that the police can't take those guys out.

But against Barry? Those 2 should only be used as back up for other more Powerful villains. Like a Sinister Six type thing.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
^ Honestly for me that was one of the worst episodes. Because they were making a threat where there shouldn't be one.

Cover them in some kind of hi-tech body armour to at least make it believable that the police can't take those guys out.

But against Barry? Those 2 should only be used as back up for other more Powerful villains. Like a Sinister Six type thing.

Yeah, I literally laughed out loud when Cold was like, "With these guns, we'll be unstoppable", or something along those lines. Totally unstoppable... until they call in a SWAT team or something and those two each get a sniper bullet between the eyes. Like really, Barry shouldn't have been needed there. All it does is make the police force look incompetent as hell. I mean how many known villains have literally walked into the precinct now and attacked the police?

Yeah that much PIS/CIS can be ignored in comic books, but becomes silly in a live action Tv series.

Yeah but I could imagine how upset people would be if these characters were not in it. I guess they could have went the New52 route and just gave them their powers

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
Yeah but I could imagine how upset people would be if these characters were not in it. I guess they could have went the New52 route and just gave them their powers

Yes they should have done whatever it took to make them more viable threats. Like we've discussed, the way they are portrayed it's PIS that the Police can't take them. Never mind Flash.

How would you do it then? Give the body armor? Force fields? Super-speed of their own? Its pretty much a problem that you can't solve so easily outside of the fantastic setting of a comic book.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Yeah that much PIS/CIS can be ignored in comic books, but becomes silly in a live action Tv series.

Originally posted by Nephthys
How would you do it then? Give the body armor? Force fields? Super-speed of their own? Its pretty much a problem that you can't solve so easily outside of the fantastic setting of a comic book.

Any of those ideas would be better than just having 2 guys with really good guns.

And that's just it, this isn't a comic book. It's a Tv series based on a comic book. Changes have to be made to not have it come across as silly.

Now don't get me wrong, I love this show. My favourite Marvel/Dc Tv Property by far, and possibly my favourite tv comic book property. But the Prison Break villains and their episodes just haven't worked for me at all due to the complete silliness of it.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Yeah that much PIS/CIS can be ignored in comic books, but becomes silly in a live action Tv series.

To be fair, Cold and Heatwave are much tougher in the comics, and on occasion Barry/Wally have still walked all over them when they could.

The comics aren't as bad as the show on that, imo.

in comics a certain radius around Cap Cold is pretty much frozen in time; stuff like bullets just get stuck in the air, so it makes since why Flash can't just blitz him.

Originally posted by marwash22
in comics a certain radius around Cap Cold is pretty much frozen in time; stuff like bullets just get stuck in the air, so it makes since why Flash can't just blitz him.

Yep. They really play in to the whole "it's not just cold, he's actually slowing down molecular whatsits" and such.

^ Not surprising that even the comics are more believable than the tv series. .

Was just pointing out that level of PIS/CIS can be accepted in comics from time to time but comes across as very Silly in Live Action. They need to fix that weakness of the show Imho.

Originally posted by marwash22
in comics a certain radius around Cap Cold is pretty much frozen in time; stuff like bullets just get stuck in the air, so it makes since why Flash can't just blitz him.

Now see that works, and makes him the ideal type of villain for a speedster to go up against. CW Cold is literally just evil Michael Scofield with a freeze ray.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Any of those ideas would be better than just having 2 guys with really good guns.

And that's just it, this isn't a comic book. It's a Tv series based on a comic book. Changes have to be made to not have it come across as silly.

Now don't get me wrong, I love this show. My favourite Marvel/Dc Tv Property by far, and possibly my favourite tv comic book property. But the Prison Break villains and their episodes just haven't worked for me at all due to the complete silliness of it.

Well, no. Body armor wouldn't work because it would be expensive and impractical and wouldn't really solve the issue of them not getting shot unless its full body which brings up the whole other issue of acting in it. Costumes are hard enough for these shows without going full on body armor. Force fields are also silly and you'd need to do the character differently to account for them. And giving them superpowers of their own defeats the point of the character.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
^ Not surprising that even the comics are more believable than the tv series. .

Was just pointing out that level of PIS/CIS can be accepted in comics from time to time but comes across as very Silly in Live Action. They need to fix that weakness of the show Imho.

Yeah thats totally much more believable, lol.

Originally posted by marwash22
in comics a certain radius around Cap Cold is pretty much frozen in time; stuff like bullets just get stuck in the air, so it makes since why Flash can't just blitz him.

i agree. They sorta did other characters an injustice by going out of their way to make Cisco an important/valuable/relevant character.

speaking of Cisco, i was thinking that since we all know Barry's gonna do something to reverse what happened in the last episode, maybe in the new timeline Cisco will get caught up in the explosion and get his powers that way.

Cisco would be so much fun with his own powers.