To the point where if true it seems the show would be getting overly fond of it. I just don't know, at least with Thawne in season 1 it was made pretty obvious to the audience he was shady and he even kind of did some questionable things that the characters in the show caught onto. Whereas Jay really hasn't done anything suspicious to me. He even at first seemed really hesitant to even try more of the velocity drug and seemed resistant at first to Caitlyn experimenting on it. He could of easily just encouraged her from the very beginning to make it under the guise of wanting to be able to help out Barry.
I would wonder if maybe Zoom had nothing to do with Jay losing his speed, but perhaps he took so much of the drug that it became so that he had no power at all without it. His cells might of been degrading as part of some really advanced type of withdrawal symptoms.
But then again when they first run tests on Jay Caitlyn says they found no trace of the speed force in him, but she does say something about his cells regenerating or something along those lines. Basically it was something no normal person would of had show up. If that Jay was working with Zoom it would not surprise me that Zoom betrayed him. That also makes me wonder how Zoom gets from Earth to Earth. I don't know if it was ever made clear if he was only able to do this because of the breaches or if he just somehow using his speed can go back and forth?
Since if he was using the breaches and Jay was helping to seal off the final one then it would make sense why Zoom killed him. On the other hand if he was merely just using the breaches then he could of easily just made it through the breach to the other side before it closed, as opposed to just phasing through Jay and then pulling him in. In the time it took him to phase through Jay he is easily fast enough that he could of just made it through instead, so I guess he probably does have other ways of getting to each universe. But then if that were true why not just travel to Earth 1 and kill everyone right then and there instead of just focusing on Jay?
On the other hand if the Jay we know is a fake then that would be a really good reason as to why Zoom would make sure the guy was in mask and couldn't talk to anyone. I also don't think any of the characters seemed to notice that the masked man was in a cage an awful lot like the one Zoom put Barry in, which Zoom only put Barry in that type of cage because he was a speedster. So it might be the real Jay who might not be strong enough to phase out like Barry did. If only someone had given the poor guy a pep talk too.
Also was I the only person who, as soon as you saw that Iris had a new boss and how they interacted, thought "well here is her next love interest" ?
Originally posted by Placidity
But who is fake Jay - Earth 2 Shapeshifter?If he is faking it, he is putting himself in harm's way to appear convincing, may be taking it a little too far. And he got a hand through the chest at the end didn't he?
Fake Jay is probably Earth 1 Hunter Zoloman.
And pulled into the portal. If he was dead, there's no reason Zoom would bother pulling him in, he'd just leave him there.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Fake Jay is probably Earth 1 Hunter Zoloman.And pulled into the portal. If he was dead, there's no reason Zoom would bother pulling him in, he'd just leave him there.
So basically, cribbed from the time Reverse Flash impersonated Barry in the comics, and no one could tell..
Originally posted by Nephthys
Fake Jay is probably Earth 1 Hunter Zoloman.And pulled into the portal. If he was dead, there's no reason Zoom would bother pulling him in, he'd just leave him there.
With Zoom pulling Jay in I though there would now be 3 Zoom/Zoloman in the show somehow.
Just throwing this out there:
If Jay Garrick is Earth 2 Flash and his Earth 1 doppelganger is Hunter Zolomon, maybe the guy in the mask is Earth 2 Wally West aka Kid Flash, and he's in that cage because he's Earth 2 Jay's sidekick and Zoom stole his speed as well.
It's possible that, since Supergirl will crossover with Flash as well and she doesn't exist on the Earth 1 or Earth 2 we've been shown, that Zoom is actually from a completely different Earth, which is why Killer Frost and Deathstorm mentioned that they enjoyed killing metas from alternate Earths. Some unidentified alternate reality metas other than Barry have been to Earth 2 and were killed by Zoom and Co before all this went down.
It's also possible that, since Eobard jacked up the timeline we've been following, the Barry we all know isn't actually Barry Prime, but is assumed to be, though I doubt they'll go that far.
They should of made Wally younger. I mean sure it would mean he couldn't be Joe's son. But who wants to be called Kid Flash when you're nearly the same age as the original Flash. And it probably be a lot smoother putting Wally in as a half brother to Iris that Joe is raising because his ex died. Instead of the drama with Barry and Wally because they talk him up for some reason.