Thor vs. Avengers Hulk Rematch

Originally posted by Robtard
Stop doing flips. The comparison was Hulk being harmed by Chitauri ships to Thor tanking the Bifrost without a scratch and you claimed the Hulk wasn't harmed at all. Which you've now conceded that he was harmed; that means your argument is invalid.

Post proof of this silly claim of yours or stop lying already.

Cos I can post proof of you wanting my man-cream all over your face 🙂 :

PS, I'm still flattered, but no thanks.

Thats your cross to bear your man crush of supra.

Anyone have a copy of the clip? Or better yet, the script?

When the Chitauri were laying down on the Hulk however, it looked like he was getting into trouble. Which I thought was kind of the point, with them showing individual avengers each on the ropes. I'm not saying he was beaten or dying or anything just to be clear.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
And then ignore all evidence in Thor's favor anyways.

I admit Thor is faster and more skilled. However, as we saw in the fight, Thor's attacks seemed to be less effective than Hulk's attacks. You can claim this was because Thor was holding back, which I will ignore because it's baseless conjecture.

This isn't a stomp either way. Hulk 6/10

Originally posted by Firefly218
I admit Thor is faster and more skilled. However, as we saw in the fight, Thor's attacks seemed to be less effective than Hulk's attacks. You can claim this was because Thor was holding back, which I will ignore because it's baseless conjecture.

This isn't a stomp either way. Hulk 6/10

How is it baseless conjecture?

- You know he isn't using his full power. We see its effects in both Thor films, in the finale, and against Iron Man/Captain America.

- You know he wasn't trying to WTFmurder Banner, instead pleading with him and attempting to subdue him.

- The arena and the danger of hurting others eliminated his ability to truly use his speed, mobility, and the large majority of his elemental attacks.

All of the above is self-evident; how is Thor not holding back? Because you don't want to believe that? Whatever.

I posted scans showing that MCU recognizes Thor in Avengers is weakened. Film evidence shows that he is not using his full moveset or full power on Banner. And in T:TDW, we see him unleash even more power against Kurse and Malekith, further highlighting what we already know; that Thor in the Avengers is totally taking it easy.

Given the damage Thor is shown dealing out with lightning and charged hammer shots, how in the world can ff218 justify stating that using them would only get Thor an extra 1 win?

Originally posted by Firefly218
I admit Thor is faster and more skilled. However, as we saw in the fight, Thor's attacks seemed to be less effective than Hulk's attacks. You can claim this was because Thor was holding back, which I will ignore because it's baseless conjecture.

This isn't a stomp either way. Hulk 6/10

Thor hurt Hulk with his Mjolnir uppercut almost as much as Hulk's punch did Thor. The difference is that Thor can still amp his shots whereas Hulk will almost always punch more or less the same. Another difference is that Hulk was able to get a clean shot like that because Thor was talking, whereas when Thor smashed Hulk it was while Hulk was charging.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Which I thought was kind of the point, with them showing individual avengers each on the ropes.

The ROAR gets LOUDER and CLOSER. Thor focuses. His hand strains toward mid-air. His eyes tight in concentration. The HULK runs right at him. At the last second, MJOLNIR flies into his hand and Thor UPPERCUTS HULK, WHO CRASHES INTO A FIGHTER JET.

HULK stands up, shaking his head like ‘what the **** just happened.’

Shown above: Hulk not being injured, apparently. 👆

Anyway, Thor was weakened, and not trying to kill Hulk. Aka Thor was not bringing his full power to bear.

This isn't hard.

Originally posted by Firefly218
I admit Thor is faster and more skilled. However, as we saw in the fight, Thor's attacks seemed to be less effective than Hulk's attacks. You can claim this was because Thor was holding back, which I will ignore because it's baseless conjecture.

This isn't a stomp either way. Hulk 6/10

Originally posted by NemeBro
Except Thor, who at no point was troubled by the Chitauri. 👆

The ROAR gets LOUDER and CLOSER. Thor focuses. His hand strains toward mid-air. His eyes tight in concentration. The HULK runs right at him. At the last second, MJOLNIR flies into his hand and Thor UPPERCUTS HULK, WHO CRASHES INTO A FIGHTER JET.

HULK stands up, shaking his head like ‘what the **** just happened.’

Shown above: Hulk not being injured, apparently. 👆

Anyway, Thor was weakened, and not trying to kill Hulk. Aka Thor was not bringing his full power to bear.

This isn't hard.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Thor hurt Hulk with his Mjolnir uppercut almost as much as Hulk's punch did Thor. The difference is that Thor can still amp his shots whereas Hulk will almost always punch more or less the same. Another difference is that Hulk was able to get a clean shot like that because Thor was talking, whereas when Thor smashed Hulk it was while Hulk was charging.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Plus he can fly, has ranged attacks, and could literally keep Hulk in the air and unable to move ala Destroyer.

👆

Yeah. Thor could just conjure up a whirlwind and fly Hulk up in the air, as high up as the hellicarrier was.... then drop Hulk. Should be enough to knock him out.

Thor, weakened, survived his transport to Earth, survived his orbit drop, and took Hulk's beatings with grace.

What the hell was Kurse packing?

Since getting Firefly218 to admit Thor w/o lightning wins 4/10 is roughly equal to getting an unbiased person to admit Thor wins 8-9/10, I guess there is nothing left to debate.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Since getting Firefly218 to admit Thor w/o lightning wins 4/10 is roughly equal to getting an unbiased person to admit Thor wins 8-9/10, I guess there is nothing left to debate.

I'm not insinuating Thor's a slouch. He's one of the most powerful characters to grace the big screen for Marvel.

Originally posted by Firefly218
I'm not insinuating Thor's a slouch. He's one of the most powerful characters to grace the big screen for Marvel.

True, he's easily the most powerful Avenger.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Yeah. Thor could just conjure up a whirlwind and fly Hulk up in the air, as high up as the hellicarrier was.... then drop Hulk. Should be enough to knock him out.

❌ No. In TIH, Hulk landed a fall from the stratosphere. Now you're just lowballing

Originally posted by Silent Master
True, he's easily the most powerful Avenger.

👆

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
How is it baseless conjecture?

- You know he isn't using his full power. We see its effects in both Thor films, in the finale, and against Iron Man/Captain America.

- You know he wasn't trying to WTFmurder Banner, instead pleading with him and attempting to subdue him.

- The arena and the danger of hurting others eliminated his ability to truly use his speed, mobility, and the large majority of his elemental attacks.

All of the above is self-evident; how is Thor not holding back? Because you don't want to believe that? Whatever.

I posted scans showing that MCU recognizes Thor in Avengers is weakened. Film evidence shows that he is not using his full moveset or full power on Banner. And in T:TDW, we see him unleash even more power against Kurse and Malekith, further highlighting what we already know; that Thor in the Avengers is totally taking it easy.

OK. Maybe it isn't baseless conjecture, but it is conjecture nonetheless. I agree that Thor was most likely holding back, but there is no conclusive evidence to prove that as fact. Just like there's no conclusive evidence for me to say Hulk will fight harder and stronger believing Thor murdered Betty Ross.

Judging only based on the fight, without assuming anything, it's clear Hulk had the edge.

Originally posted by Firefly218
OK. Maybe it isn't baseless conjecture, but it is conjecture nonetheless. I agree that Thor was most likely holding back, but there is no conclusive evidence to prove that as fact. Just like there's no conclusive evidence for me to say Hulk will fight harder and stronger believing Thor murdered Betty Ross.

Judging only based on the fight, without assuming anything, it's clear Hulk had the edge.

If you're going to move the goalposts in an effort to soften your concessions, just call the thread, dude.

con·jec·tured, con·jec·tur·ing.
to conclude or suppose from grounds or evidence insufficient to ensure reliability.

There is plenty of evidence to back up the claim that Thor was holding back...meanwhile there is zero evidence that the Hulk was holding back or that he can get any angrier than he was while fighting Thor.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
If you're going to move the goalposts in an effort to soften your concessions, just call the thread, dude.

I assure you, the goalposts remain unaltered