Originally posted by FrothByte
Of course he was. In his own words "I have no quarrel with you". Or do you think that Thor just outright kills anyone who disagrees with him?
So when Thor was being blasted across the forest, it did absolutely nothing to him? If Ironman was so beneath him it would have been a no contest, but from my view, there appeared to be one. i don't think Tony would have won, but he did push Thor, and Thor did not put him down. There comes a time when all of this holding back stuff has a limit, because the same thing could have been used for the Hulk as well. He isn't a murderer after all, so can we conclude that he wasn't going all out in his fight with Thor?
Originally posted by Stoic
So when Thor was being blasted across the forest, it did absolutely nothing to him? If Ironman was so beneath him it would have been a no contest, but from my view, there appeared to be one. i don't think Tony would have won, but he did push Thor, and Thor did not put him down. There comes a time when all of this holding back stuff has a limit, because the same thing could have been used for the Hulk as well. He isn't a murderer after all, so can we conclude that he wasn't going all out in his fight with Thor?
Thats their entire argument. Thats all they can come up with. Thor held back in every last one of his fights. Its ridiculous.
Originally posted by carver9
Thats their entire argument. Thats all they can come up with. Thor held back in every last one of his fights. Its ridiculous.
yeah that, and if you disagree with a certain poster you have infantile insults flung your way in order to somehow strengthen their weak points on the subject. To be honest though, no one will be able to prove who would have won, because the contest was inconclusive. This in other words means that the thread is a waste of time. No offense to the thread starter.
Originally posted by carver9
Look at the scene again. Its pretty clear cut and dry. We even see the light going 'up the building' before even releasing out of Thor hammer.
The building probably allowed Thor to widen the coverage of his lightning, but it's ridiculous to think that a piece of metal can amplify an electric current. It will conduct it, but it won't amplify it.
Originally posted by Stoic
So when Thor was being blasted across the forest, it did absolutely nothing to him? If Ironman was so beneath him it would have been a no contest, but from my view, there appeared to be one. i don't think Tony would have won, but he did push Thor, and Thor did not put him down. There comes a time when all of this holding back stuff has a limit, because the same thing could have been used for the Hulk as well. He isn't a murderer after all, so can we conclude that he wasn't going all out in his fight with Thor?
Who the hell said that IM was so far beneath him? All I said was that Thor wasn't going all out against IM, especially at the start when he blasted him with lightning. Unless you think Thor just decides to kill everyone who disagrees with him.
Besides, IM was at 475%. That shows that normal IM IS beneath Thor.
And lol at Hulk not being a murderer. So he chased after Black Widow with maybe the intent of just getting her number?
Originally posted by Stoic
yeah that, and if you disagree with a certain poster you have infantile insults flung your way in order to somehow strengthen their weak points on the subject. To be honest though, no one will be able to prove who would have won, because the contest was inconclusive. This in other words means that the thread is a waste of time. No offense to the thread starter.
Yes, the fight was inconclusive. Which is why it's stupid to say that Hulk was clearly winning that fight. No one was winning that fight. Even Whedon has stated that they made it a point to make that fight even (to please the fanboys).
The logic behind why almost all of us here (everyone except 3 of you to be precise) think that Thor would win in an all out fight though is because when they fought, Thor wasn't using his full abilities and wasn't going for the kill whereas Hulk was in complete berserk already.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Yes, the fight was inconclusive. Which is why it's stupid to say that Hulk was clearly winning that fight. No one was winning that fight. Even Whedon has stated that they made it a point to make that fight even (to please the fanboys).The logic behind why almost all of us here (everyone except 3 of you to be precise) think that Thor would win in an all out fight though is because when they fought, Thor wasn't using his full abilities and wasn't going for the kill whereas Hulk was in complete berserk already.
The Hulk wasn't completely berserk, if he were he would have killed the pilot that interfered in their battle of testosterone. You may have a bullet but if you happen to fire it on someone that is resistant to it's impact you will likely have to find a new avenue of attack. The people on Thor's side have to prove that his more exotic attacks would stop the Hulk. no one is saying that Thor couldn't have used them, but I for one question their stopping ability when it comes to the Hulk. Now you're going to bring up how well the alien weapons worked on the Hulk, but leave out the fact that you don't know how powerful those weapons were. So before calling other peoples conclusions stupid, perhaps you need to view your own conclusions.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Facts rarely matter to Hulk fanboys.
Debating anything with you is useless, especially when you call people the exact thing that you yourself happen to be guilty of. Are people supposed to be hurt by this fanboy slogan or something? Come up with some better material.
Originally posted by Stoic
The Hulk wasn't completely berserk, if he were he would have killed the pilot that interfered in their battle of testosterone. You may have a bullet but if you happen to fire it on someone that is resistant to it's impact you will likely have to find a new avenue of attack. The people on Thor's side have to prove that his more exotic attacks would stop the Hulk. no one is saying that Thor couldn't have used them, but I for one question their stopping ability when it comes to the Hulk. Now you're going to bring up how well the alien weapons worked on the Hulk, but leave out the fact that you don't know how powerful those weapons were. So before calling other peoples conclusions stupid, perhaps you need to view your own conclusions.Debating anything with you is useless, especially when you call people the exact thing that you yourself happen to be guilty of. Are people supposed to be hurt by this fanboy slogan or something? Come up with some better material.
Captain America got shot by those Chitauri guns. And though he was injured, it didn't kill him. Heck, it didn't even cripple him. That's already a good indication of the power of those guns. Besides, Thor's lightning slam decimated an entire area of Frost Giant territory. Are you going to tell me that Thor's lightning is not stronger than Chitauri gunfire?
Originally posted by FrothByte
Captain America got shot by those Chitauri guns. And though he was injured, it didn't kill him. Heck, it didn't even cripple him. That's already a good indication of the power of those guns. Besides, Thor's lightning slam decimated an entire area of Frost Giant territory. Are you going to tell me that Thor's lightning is not stronger than Chitauri gunfire?
Of course he is, because facts only matter if they help his side.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Captain America got shot by those Chitauri guns. And though he was injured, it didn't kill him. Heck, it didn't even cripple him. That's already a good indication of the power of those guns. Besides, Thor's lightning slam decimated an entire area of Frost Giant territory. Are you going to tell me that Thor's lightning is not stronger than Chitauri gunfire?
Are you really going to sit there and compare Captain America's durability to the Hulk's, I really can't answer why the director would allow for Captain America to live through something that hurt the Hulk aside from Plot Induced Stupidity (PIS for short) and the fact that if they killed Captain America money would be lost in any future plans they had for the character. So in other words if I were you I'd file it under low showing and move on. Should I bring up the trouble that Loki gave Thor, but then turn around and remind you of how the Hulk used him as a rag doll?
There's no sense arguing about who would win, because the fight was interrupted midway. No one is wrong, and no one is right on this subject. If they ever have another movie, and the two fight it out without interruption, we can always revisit this thread. as it is, we are simply wasting our time.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Of course he is, because facts only matter if they help his side.
is something wrong with your mind? The fight was inconclusive. If Thor was going to use these attacks that you say he would have and could have he would have. You can not base the impact of one attack on the other when the power source is different. One attack may be stronger against the Hulk while the other may not be. It did not happen so anything other than what happened is your imagination,which happens to be far from the facts that you are trying to shove onto people.
Originally posted by carver9
Thats their entire argument. Thats all they can come up with. Thor held back in every last one of his fights. Its ridiculous.
But he did. 😐
Thor didn't go all out against the Hulk.
He held back against Iron Man but finally got pissed when Steve told him to drop the hammer (Even though he was still holding back).
He even held back against Loki until he stabbed he got stabbed and smashed him so hard he ran. Although he was still holding back at that point as well as revealed in Thor 2.
You're acting as if Thor holding back is some illogical conclusion or something. We KNOW he can hit far harder then when he struck Hulk and bring up far more power.
If Thor was the arrogant blood lusted dude from the first half of Thor 1, most of the main cast of the Avengers would be dead. That's not to mention the fact that he was apparently weakened in the Avengers.
Yes, Hulk is stronger and is the unstoppable juggernaut of the team, I think the movie made that clear, but he's still losing to Thor.
Originally posted by carver9
Thor using the building he was leaning on (wasn't all Thor) took out a 3 of them. Get it right. Crazy thing is, he couldn't take out Ironman during a rage with a lightning attack.
What do you mean used the building? It could be argued he used it to hold a large charge or something (Which he apparently doesn't need to in other scenes) but it's not like it powered him or something.
What do you mean in a rage? He literally told Stark to get out of his way because he didn't want to fight him. Not to mention Iron Man somehow ABSORBED the energy of the attack which makes it irrelevant as far as durability comparisons go. For some comparison, Jarvis told Iron Man (As his laser bounces off IIRC) they'd flat out run out of power before they could pierce the armor of one of the Leviathans. Even Hulk's punch, uber as it was, cracked the shell but didn't kill it (Iron Man finished it off as the plating came off I believe). Thor's lightning tore through like 3 of those f*cks easily IIRC.
Originally posted by Stoic
Are you really going to sit there and compare Captain America's durability to the Hulk's, I really can't answer why the director would allow for Captain America to live through something that hurt the Hulk aside from Plot Induced Stupidity (PIS for short) and the fact that if they killed Captain America money would be lost in any future plans they had for the character. So in other words if I were you I'd file it under low showing and move on. Should I bring up the trouble that Loki gave Thor, but then turn around and remind you of how the Hulk used him as a rag doll?There's no sense arguing about who would win, because the fight was interrupted midway. No one is wrong, and no one is right on this subject. If they ever have another movie, and the two fight it out without interruption, we can always revisit this thread. as it is, we are simply wasting our time.
So... it's PIS when proof is shown that doesn't support your arguments? You can cry PIS all you want, fact is that Thor's lightning seems a lot stronger than chitauri guns, and if chitauri guns can hurt Hulk then Thor's lightning would definitely hurt him more. Besides, a better example of PIS would be how IM's armor wasn't wrecked by a direct shot from Mjolnir and yet Thor had no trouble crushing it with his bare hands.
As for Loki... when Loki fought Thor, he actually fought Thor. When Hulk thrashed Loki, Loki was talking to Hulk and not fighting. Basically, Hulk thrashed a non resisting opponent. Yipee! Such a great feat that was.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Captain America got shot by those Chitauri guns. And though he was injured, it didn't kill him. Heck, it didn't even cripple him. That's already a good indication of the power of those guns. Besides, Thor's lightning slam decimated an entire area of Frost Giant territory. Are you going to tell me that Thor's lightning is not stronger than Chitauri gunfire?
But we have Ironman getting ripped apart by the same weapons. You asking people of they've seen the movie...have you?
Originally posted by Stoic
You believe that hurling insults will allow you to somehow score points in favor of Thor? All I see is some pathetic little boy flaming, and attempting to elevate himself above his little station. If not why would you bother to insult someone that you do not know for the sake of some petty fictional debate?
Shut up coward.
You are correct the Silver Surfer was in the original arc, Bill wasn't, but at the same time Bill will not suffer from the same effects that the Hulk or the Surfer would, because his powers are mystical in nature, theirs are not.
lol, prove it.
Of course this also has nothing to do with anything, except for the fact that the Hulk was drained by the wormhole that he went through before he landed on Sakaar, and was in a weakened state. You asked me to prove it. I did, you're the dishonest person here, not me, so don't try to pin your failings as a person on me you liar.
You didn't prove anything actually.
I know for a fact that Hulk was weakened in the original comic.
Prove it was the case in the cartoon, with onscreen evidence.
My like of one character would not make me sit there and lie if i did not believe that the Hulk would win. If i thought that thor would win, I would say that I thought that he would win. Comics aren't real, nor was the movie, so the people that wrote both cartoons believed that the Hulk would beat Thor up if they were to battle it out under those circumstances.
And you really believe that is at all relevant?
The idea that you are immature enough to insult me over this shows me that you must have had a fit when you saw that movie. Don't pretend to know who I am. You don't so keep your nasty little thoughts to yourself.
"You made me feel bad so you're wrong", nah.
if you were so unbiased why is it that you need to insult someone in an attempt to prove you weak points? The fact here is that no one will be able to prove beyond a shadow of doubt who would win between the two of these fictional characters. Grow up kid.
*your
I saw the movie, although I admit that I only watched it once, and wasn't as enthralled at it as you seem to be.
Hm, you tell me not to insult you because I don't know you, yet you make assumptions about me constantly. What a hypocrite.
I wonder why that was? Also when evidence is in short supply you have to draw from other sources, because the winner between these two will always fall to which guy the individual believes would win. no one will be able to prove who would win, but what i saw made me believe that the Hulk was about to beat the mess out of Thor. BTW if you want to flame me over something as petty as a fictional account that no one can prove don't bother, because it's not as big of a deal to me, as it seems to be to you. Just know one thing, you can't prove anything to anyone simply from proclaiming that you are greater than someone else in terms of intellect. You don't know me so let's keep it civil. If you can't control yourself don't reply to me. I trust that I am understood here.
Calm down.
Thor was weakened and not going all-out against Hulk. These are facts. Yet he still held his own.
He wins.
Oh, and who is that in your avy? is that Thor? I'm the fanboy?
It's a scan from God of Thunder showcasing that, despite its gorgeous artwork, the facial expressions can get ridiculous. It is satirical.
Come on man, here you go making assumptions about me again.