Originally posted by FrothByte
That's still holding back though. Holding back to avoid injuring others is still holding back.
I'm specifically referring to physical strikes compared to when Thor tried to reason and after he got his nose bloodied. But yeah, he did hold back from using his more exotic powers and Hulk was kicking the crap out of him a H2H fight for it.
IMO, Thor can win here, but only if he unleashes all his powers, trying to just trade blows with Hulk would probably not end well for Thor.
Originally posted by Robtard
I'm specifically referring to physical strikes compared to when Thor tried to reason and after he got his nose bloodied. But yeah, he did hold back from using his more exotic powers and Hulk was kicking the crap out of him a H2H fight for it.IMO, Thor can win here, but only if he unleashes all his powers, trying to just trade blows with Hulk would probably not end well for Thor.
Kicking the crap out of him? Again as mentioned, Hulk slammed him on the floor once and threw him against the wall. Not exactly "kicking the crap out of him".
Thor talked to Hulk once and you all are using that as some type of reference that he was holding back. Thor was in a fight he didn't want to be in, why not talk your opponent down. If he had the power to stop the Hulk from damaging the hellicarrier, he would have used it. Hell, during the end, Hulk was still punching Thor around and Thor didn't do a thing about it. We will see what happens the next movie. We will see who is the major trump card because going by the animated shows, animated movies, and even the Avengers movie, Hulk has been described as the most powerful/the major trump card.
You all keep clinging to Thor saying one sentence in that fight while 'letting himself' (lol) get tossed around and punched by Hulk.
Originally posted by carver9
Thor talked to Hulk once and you all are using that as some type of reference that he was holding back. Thor was in a fight he didn't want to be in, why not talk your opponent down. If he had the power to stop the Hulk from damaging the hellicarrier, he would have used it. Hell, during the end, Hulk was still punching Thor around and Thor didn't do a thing about it. We will see what happens the next movie. We will see who is the major trump card because going by the animated shows, animated movies, and even the Avengers movie, Hulk has been described as the most powerful/the major trump card.You all keep clinging to Thor saying one sentence in that fight while 'letting himself' (lol) get tossed around and punched by Hulk.
"We're not your enemies Banner, try to think". You really think Thor would go all out trying to kill one of his teammates?
Originally posted by FrothByte
"We're not your enemies Banner, try to think". You really think Thor would go all out trying to kill one of his teammates?
If he would have said "I'm not trying to hurt you", then maybe you'll have an arguement but what we do have is Thor doing a full body uppercut, kneeing Hulk in the face and trying to choke him. Those words isn't a sign of someone holding back, nor his actions.
Originally posted by carver9
If he would have said "I'm not trying to hurt you", then maybe you'll have an arguement but what we do have is Thor doing a full body uppercut, kneeing Hulk in the face and trying to choke him. Those words isn't a sign of someone holding back, nor his actions.
I never said wasn't trying to hurt Hulk. I said he wasn't trying to kill Hulk, or at least seriously injure Hulk.
A choke is a good maneuver to use if you're trying to subdue someone.
Originally posted by FrothByte
I never said wasn't trying to hurt Hulk. I said he wasn't trying to kill Hulk, or at least seriously injure Hulk.A choke is a good maneuver to use if you're trying to subdue someone.
Huh? Cutting off someones wind supply is a sign of subduing them? Really? Thor putting his entire body into an uppercut, not knowing what Hulk durability was capable of handling an attack like that is a sign of pulling your power? Really. I guess me and you have a different take on the matter. Hulk could have handled things a lot differently as well. Why didn't he just mount Thor and beat him to sleep? It's not as if Thor could have prevented this during the end. He also could have given Thor the Loki treatment.
Originally posted by carver9
Huh? Cutting off someones wind supply is a sign of subduing them? Really? Thor putting his entire body into an uppercut, not knowing what Hulk durability was capable of handling an attack like that is a sign of pulling your power? Really. I guess me and you have a different take on the matter. Hulk could have handled things a lot differently as well. Why didn't he just mount Thor and beat him to sleep? It's not as if Thor could have prevented this during the end. He also could have given Thor the Loki treatment.
A chokehold will put you to sleep. Only if applied too long will it kill you. Thor putting his entire weight into an uppercut is quite different from him charging that hammer strike. Kneeing your opponent in the face is more controllable than zapping them with lightning.
Also, mounting Thor... Thor could push Hulk out of the way. Hulk weighs what, around a ton? Nothing Thor couldn't muscle out of. Hulk slamming Thor was the wiser choice, as it didn't give Thor enough time to counter attack.
Originally posted by FrothByte
A chokehold will put you to sleep. Only if applied too long will it kill you. Thor putting his entire weight into an uppercut is quite different from him charging that hammer strike. Kneeing your opponent in the face is more controllable than zapping them with lightning.Also, mounting Thor... Thor could push Hulk out of the way. Hulk weighs what, around a ton? Nothing Thor couldn't muscle out of. Hulk slamming Thor was the wiser choice, as it didn't give Thor enough time to counter attack.
What about the second slam? What about him being thrown? Why couldn't he counter those? If he could counter a mount, he sure the hell could have countered throws, right? Like I've said before, he fought a different Hulk, completely different. The Hulk Thor fought isn't the same as the Hulk that showed up during the end.
Originally posted by Firefly218
Are you ignorant or just narrow-minded? It is an unlikely scenario, but a plausible one. These "stronger" attacks you referance were actually the weaker ones when used against Iron Man. The strength of an attack depends on the target.
No, it's not a plausible scenario, I've already explained why.
Originally posted by carver9
What about the second slam? What about him being thrown? Why couldn't he counter those? If he could counter a mount, he sure the hell could have countered throws, right? Like I've said before, he fought a different Hulk, completely different. The Hulk Thor fought isn't the same as the Hulk that showed up during the end.
He only got slammed once and got thrown once. It's not like Hulk hit him multiple times without him being able to counter. Thor did hit Hulk multiple times though which Hulk wasn't able to counter.
ANd yeah, the Hulk Thor fought was different. That Hulk was out of control, which means it was stronger than the Hulk at the end.
Originally posted by FrothByte
He only got slammed once and got thrown once. It's not like Hulk hit him multiple times without him being able to counter. Thor did hit Hulk multiple times though which Hulk wasn't able to counter.ANd yeah, the Hulk Thor fought was different. That Hulk was out of control, which means it was stronger than the Hulk at the end.
HUH? A Hulk that has complete control of his power and said that he can control his anger is less powerful than a Hulk that doesn't have control? Didn't you also say that theres no proof that Hulk strength increase with rage? Lets not turn into a hypocrite when something is used against you.