Darth Traya vs Mace Windu,Yoda,and ROTS Obi Wan

We saw on KOTR2 that Darth Traya was able to defeat three Jedi Masters by herself effortlessly. But how would she fare against three Jedi Masters from years after her time?

Traya is at her prime,able to use each and every skill she has.Force Drain,the three Lightsabers,you name it,she use it.

Would those three be far superior tham the masters she has killed and prove too much for her to face at once,or could Traya defeat them as well?

Battle is at Malachor V,Trayus Academy,at the very place Darth Traya battled the Jedi Exile on the last battle.

(Forgot to mention,the three Jedi Masters are all ROTS)

Darth Traya stands no chance. The three Jedi that Traya killed can't compete with Yoda, Mace Windu and Obi-Wan.

Giga Drain can't be beat.

This is a stomp in favor of the Jedi.

If she has that unique form of Giga Drain, she wins.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Giga Drain can't be beat.

Yoda takes it alone, Mace takes it alone. Kenobi distracts excellent.

Also no limits fallacy on the giga drain.

Its not a no-limits fallacy so much as it is a 'these characters have no defense against this insta-kill technique."

Anakin learned from the spirit of Ulic Qel-Droma how to resist Force Drain. He needed that ability to destroy the Dark Reaper. I'm certain that RotS Anakin could defeat Traya solo.

Perhaps, but none of the others have shown this talent.

Originally posted by Nalaniel
I'm certain that RotS Anakin could defeat Traya solo.

Could he? She did kill 10 Sith just by walking passed them with the Force.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Could he? She did kill 10 Sith just by walking passed them with the Force.

And when did she do that?

Upon arriving on Malachor V, IIRC.

YouTube video

First 25 seconds.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Its not a no-limits fallacy so much as it is a 'these characters have no defense against this insta-kill technique."

Traya's never killed someone more powerful than herself with the technique.

Just three Jedi council members.

And ten odd Sith.

And made Sion on Malachor V her *****.

Traya is so damn weak.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Traya's never killed someone more powerful than herself with the technique.

So what?

Also, you think shes more powerful than all 3 of the Council members put together? Or 7 Sith Assassins?

Originally posted by Nephthys
So what?

Also, you think shes more powerful than all 3 of the Council members put together? Or 7 Sith Assassins?

Uh yes. Kreia presumably gives the Exile a run for her money, the same Exile who canonically stomped the entire Trayus Academy. I'd bet my left nut that if Kavar, Vrook, and Zek-Kai El were brazen enough to assault the Trayus Academy they'd get their asses handed to them on a silver platter.

"The no limits fallacy is the illogical idea that a poorly understood phenomenon can be extrapolated to infinity or assumed to not have any maximum value or threshold."
^This is exactly what you do with Kreia's gigadrain.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Uh yes. Kreia presumably gives the Exile a run for her money, the same Exile who canonically stomped the entire Trayus Academy. I'd bet my left nut that if Kavar, Vrook, and Zek-Kai El were brazen enough to assault the Trayus Academy they'd get their asses handed to them on a silver platter.

"The no limits fallacy is the illogical idea that a poorly understood phenomenon can be extrapolated to infinity or assumed to not have any maximum value or threshold."
^This is exactly what you do with Kreia's gigadrain.

Except that the narration specifically builds it to be a killing device which requires a certain defense or nature to overcome, and is not a defense regularly known to Jedi. Anakin learned it from fallen Sith Ulic, and the Exile is specifically a wound so she is exempt from its effects. Traya, Sion, and Nihilus all had specific training in the draining arts.

It's not being "extrapolated to infinity" when it simply kills in absence of a practical defense. Either you can prove that the Jedi have such a defense (which again, evidence does not suggest) or you can't, and they die. Whining about the unfairness doesn't change the facts.

I was under the impression that what Traya used was not Drain, but Sever Force. The same technique that was used against her by Nihilus and Sion against her.

There are techniques in the Force against which there is no defense.

Let me show you, you, who have forever seen the galaxy through the Force. See it through the eyes of the Exile.

No one can defend(except possibly Plagueis, as evidenced by his Book of Sith entry) against the Sever Force technique. How do we know this? Because even the Exile, who was a wound in the Force and immune against Nihilus' mega drain, was powerless to resist when the three masters attempted to sever her for the Force.
And because Ulic himself, who taught Anakin to defend himself from being drained, was powerless against Sever Force.

Obviously Kreia can't take Mace, Yoda and Obi-Wan in combat, so the only question is, can she preempt them and cut them off from the Force before the duel starts? She did succeed against Vrook, Kavar and Zez-Kai Ell, but personally I think she has little chance here.

So yeah, Kreia loses. Badly. At best she might be able to kill Obi-Wan through Force attacks, but even that is doubtful.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
[B]Uh yes. Kreia presumably gives the Exile a run for her money, the same Exile who canonically stomped the entire Trayus Academy.

There is much that indicates that Kreia took it easy on the Exile in their final encounter. The fight was not about the Exile being stronger than Kreia, it was about the Exile having the will to kill her. Kreia's purpose throughout the whole game was to help the Exile become some sort of ubermensch, someone unlike any other Jedi or Sith, someone who used the Force but was not dependent on it or a slave to its will.