Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Wait, does Rocky think that Revan used the tractor beams to lob the asteroids at the protags...
@NewGuy:
Not that boss mechanics should be treated as valid demonstrations of a character's abilities in the first place.
Why shouldn't they be? I mean, it's a scripted event, and IIRC Chee said those were canon.
Originally posted by slayne
Yes.@NewGuy:
Why shouldn't they be? I mean, it's a scripted event, and IIRC Chee said those were canon.
The way I look at it, if the game mechanic is something that is scripted and occurs EVERY time people run the boss fight (i.e. Malgus force choking 3 of the 4 protags, Revan pulling down asteroids, Serevin teleporting, Revan rag-dolling the SoR strike team etc.), then they are accurately representative of their power levels.
Why shouldn't they be? That's obvious. Unlike story cutscenes and codex entries, the priority of gameplay mechanics isn't to accurately represent the lore, nor should it be. Really, if you're going to claim that SWTOR's characters can do this or that based on their boss mechanics, you might as well also make the case that they can all survive hundreds of lightsaber strikes to the gut and keep fighting. I mean, that's how all of the boss fights are depicted in-game, so why would we assume that's not a canonical representation of events, right?
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Wait, does Rocky think that Revan used the tractor beams to lob the asteroids at the protags...
Right, overall he's throwing down more than 5 rocks, but he isn't doing this at the same time. He's holding up 5 rocks simultaenously and individually throws one down at a time. Those other asteroids coming down in the background have nothing to do with Revan.
I incorrectly assumed that when people were mentioning 40 asteroids, they were talking about the asteroids in the background which had nothing to do with Revan which is a misconception I've seen going around on CV
Regardless, trying to pass the asteroid feat as or comparable to Kenobi simultaneously cracking, holding and then wrecking multiple 500 meter meglaiths as slayne is suggesting is beyond laughable. Let alone using it to try and say revan is more powerful than Windu.
He's not holding up only 5 rocks simultaneously, it's way more than that. He's throwing them one down at the time, but it's rapid fire. This is clear as day:
https://youtu.be/zrUi46siLLQ?t=620
Tbh, not sure why this is the feat that's being compared. Especially considering Revan during the Foundry was immensely weakened and had just undergone 300 years of torture.
Revan Reborn, after waking up from a coma and having been drugged and imprisoned for 3 years, casually reflects Nyriss's charged lightning storm capable of disintegrating Meetra/Scourge/herself. Kenobi performing a similar feat is a laughable notion, imo.
Then there's Revan resisting domination from Vitiate and the Dread Masters for 300 years, even managing to influence some of Vitiate's decisions.
Then there's also a solidly pre-prime Revan and his Star Forge feat. Then there's SOR.
Point being, Revan stomps Kenobi. But that's not the thread. The thread is Windu vs Revan. Based on scaling from Kenobi, the fight is closer than I originally thought, but Revan still wins, imho.
You need to look up to see what's going on:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=635368&pagenumber=4(Its on Ant;s post)
he's holding 5 rocks above him at nay given time
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZRevan stomps Kenobi. .
You'll be hardpressed to argue Revan's taking Kenobi, let alone Mace.
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Mace pretty easily.
Mace takes it. Admittedly, Revan's variety of powers is impressive, but it's not sufficient vs a much more skilled and powerful opponent who can replicate much of revan's potential advantages anyway.
A: Considering that SOR Revan took on Marr/Satele/HoT/Lana head on in saber combat, and that Kenobi has a more defensive, conservative lightsaber style, I'm not seeing Kenobi defeating Revan with sabers before the latter can abuse his hefty force advantage.
B: Far more power than Revan ever has? It's not like Kenobi ragdolled the megaliths, lmfao. From what I read, he caused cracks in the megalith(s) and pebbles/chunks of rock and stone to fall from them. Darth Jadus, who's an ant to Revan, can casually hold his capital ship together and shake it by getting angry. Still not seeing why this megalith feat is so impressive, tbh.
C: The feats aren't even remotely comparable, lmfao. Revan was literally being directly mentally assaulted by Vitiate and the Dread Masters for 300 years and resisting it. Obi Wan "piercing through t3h darkness" is irrelevant by comparison. Tell me when Obi Wan gets imprisoned and telepathically tortured by Sidious for 300 years. 👆
1. And what have marr/satele.hot. and lana done that me them remotely comparable to Kenobi in any way, even collectively? And nah that force advatange is non existent.
2. Kneobi doesn't need to ragdoll the 500 m megaliths for his showing to dwarf Revan's. But no, he didn't just crack them all, which itself is a helluva showing. He additionally held all of these megaliths upright while tearing apart the megaliths chunk by chunk and throwing said chunks all around untill the megaliths were demolished.
More impressively, kenobi looked "unafraid" suggesting he wasn't exerting his full power and threw said chunks with enough precision that they didn't hit the dude he was trying to scare. Overall that feat is well above what revan's pulled off.
Jadus held together the REMAINS of said capital ship, or should i start talking about how Mace held together a landslide weighing hundreds of tons on a ds nexus
3. Revan's resistance of vitate isn't relevant either unless you think Kenobi is going to be trying to Telepathically dominate Revan.