Originally posted by chasedown
Im justing he got hit by a shuriken so theres no way hes a lightning dodger
Even while sick, weakened and dying, Itachi was able to form Susano'o and block the collection of chakra infused lightning from an entire thunderstorm before it could hit him, even while it was already moving.
This puts him, again, at LEAST at lightning+ level.
Originally posted by SSJGGogetaEven while sick, weakened and dying, Itachi was able to form Susano'o and block the collection of chakra infused lightning from an entire thunderstorm before it could hit him, even while it was already moving.
This puts him, again, at LEAST at lightning+ level.
My point is that this feat is inconsistent therefore its invalid
Originally posted by Bentley
Resisting a sustained barrage of attacks isn't the same as resisting a single explosion. Are you trying to imply that any number of attacks that don't add up to more than mountain range will never break Susaano? Because I really think that's giving it more abilities than the shield is supposed to have.Anyways, let's assume that Itachi uses Amaterasu against MG, we have to remember that a composite version of this beast will have the special shield that absorbs and redirects heat. Any fire attack that Itachi decides to use will empower a subsequent plasma grenade. Unlike most things that have been burned by Amaterasu in Naruto, MG actually has a defense against intense heat (and the nuclear heat of Godzilla's breath is nothing to laugh at).
Do we have any proof that the Totsuka blade can seal shurikens?
Resisting a single attack with the force to destroy entire mountain ranges >>> Resisting multiple attacks, the combined AOE of which was incapable of destroying a single city block. 👆
Are you trying to imply that a hundred small building busting attack add up to a single mountain range busting attak(i.e. country busting attack)? Because I really think that's giving MG more abilities than he's supposed to have. 👆
Don't forget that 1. MG's force field doesn't specifically redirect heat, it redirects energy and force, and 2. Itachi still has the Totsuka blade that has been shown to easily pierce people who have tanked mountain and country busting attacks, something that would easily go straight through MG and his force field. Even without that, we've seen Amaterasu's sheer force capable of blocking punches from the Raikage that have the capacity to do MUCH more damage than ALL of MG's attacks. Going by that feat alone, Amaterasu should be able to simply force through MG's barrier.
"Do we have any proof that the Totsuka blade can seal shurikens?"
As you can see from the scan, we have proof that the Totsuka blade can seal inorganic, non-living or even metal materials, as is proved by it sealing Orochimaru's Kusanagi sword. 👆
Originally posted by chasedown
My point is that this feat is inconsistent therefore its invalid
Inconsistent? If a character did something, then they can do what they did, obviously you phucking retard. Raikage can move at lightning speed and react at light speed. Sasuke was barely capable of keeping up with him, but Itachi in his prime could stomp someone who soloed the equivalent of two Raikage's. How is this inconsistent? Itachi was even able to dodge Kakashi's lightning blade expanding from point blank range. There are DOZENS of lightning feats in Naruto, and just because you don't want there to be, doesn't mean there aren't. 👆
MG gets shat on. Period.
Unless of course you have some proof that he can move faster than lightning, create, block and tank mountain range/country busting attacks, survive something cutting him in half vertically that he can't dodge, or survive being melted with a flame hotter than hell itself that can't be extinguished.
Retard.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Inconsistent? If a character did something, then they can do what they did, obviously you phucking retard. Raikage can move at lightning speed and react at light speed. Sasuke was barely capable of keeping up with him, but Itachi in his prime could stomp someone who soloed the equivalent of two Raikage's. How is this inconsistent? Itachi was even able to dodge Kakashi's lightning blade expanding from point blank range. There are DOZENS of lightning feats in Naruto, and just because you don't want there to be, doesn't mean there aren't. 👆MG gets shat on. Period.
Unless of course you have some proof that he can move faster than lightning, create, block and tank mountain range/country busting attacks, survive something cutting him in half vertically that he can't dodge, or survive being melted with a flame hotter than hell itself that can't be extinguished.
Retard.
When you use logic and logic contradicts the feat what do you believe feats or logic?
Now what your saying is even though hes never displayed any other speed feats even close to that, even though nobody else in the series has displayed feats even remotely close to that barring ftg (gai is the fastest character by far and he isnt even moving that fast), even though its completely inconsistent with any other speed feat weve ever seen in the naruto series. itachi has a combat speed of 224000 mph. The man got hit with a rigged shuriken. So youd have to believe the the shuriken that hit itachi was moving 224000+.
You dont believe that do you? Itscalled inconsistency if your too sick to dodge a regular rigged shuriken why are you healthy enough to react to lightning at the average speed of 224000mph. Hes been hit by other things in the series too.
Lets not forget that before the lightning came down itachi was literally staring at the clouds, and sasuke told him what he was about to plus the fact that itachi already knew that sasuke had a lightning affinity. He knew that what was coming
Where does it say raikage was faster than lightning itself. I dont remember that part which chapter said that. He has lightning chakra which makes him very fast but just because he has lightning chakra doesnt mean he is as fast as lightning.
Originally posted by chasedown
Now what your saying is even though hes never displayed any other speed feats even close to that, even though nobody else in the series has displayed feats even remotely close to that barring ftg (gai is the fastest character by far and he isnt even moving that fast), even though its completely inconsistent with any other speed feat weve ever seen in the naruto series. itachi has a combat speed of 224000 mph. The man got hit with a rigged shuriken. So youd have to believe the the shuriken that hit itachi was moving 224000+.You dont believe that do you? Itscalled inconsistency if your too sick to dodge a regular rigged shuriken why are you healthy enough to react to lightning at the average speed of 224000mph.
1) Tools can move much faster than 8 Gates Gai. Lee tosses a kunai from the ground so fast that 8 Gates Gai has barely moved by the time the kunai has reached him.
2) Itachi can easily dodge 2 shuriken.
3) King Itachi soloes.
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Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
1) Tools can move much faster than 8 Gates Gai. Lee tosses a kunai from the ground so fast that 8 Gates Gai has barely moved by the time the kunai has reached him.2) Itachi can easily dodge 2 shuriken.
3) King Itachi soloes.
kruemelmonsteryn0
It was thrown by 6 gates open lee
He still got hit 1 shuriken
And the lightning still hit him
Originally posted by chasedown
When you use logic and logic contradicts the feat what do you believe feats or logic?Now what your saying is even though hes never displayed any other speed feats even close to that, even though nobody else in the series has displayed feats even remotely close to that barring ftg (gai is the fastest character by far and he isnt even moving that fast), even though its completely inconsistent with any other speed feat weve ever seen in the naruto series. itachi has a combat speed of 224000 mph. The man got hit with a rigged shuriken. So youd have to believe the the shuriken that hit itachi was moving 224000+.
You dont believe that do you? Itscalled inconsistency if your too sick to dodge a regular rigged shuriken why are you healthy enough to react to lightning at the average speed of 224000mph. Hes been hit by other things in the series too.
Lets not forget that before the lightning came down itachi was literally staring at the clouds, and sasuke told him what he was about to plus the fact that itachi already knew that sasuke had a lightning affinity. He knew that what was coming
Where does it say raikage was faster than lightning itself. I dont remember that part which chapter said that. He has lightning chakra which makes him very fast but just because he has lightning chakra doesnt mean he is as fast as lightning.
Just as DP said, tools can be thrown MUCH faster than most people can move in the series, a perfect example is the Lee/Gai thing.
Here you go, Raikage can react to light speed. Itachi while sick could summon Susano'o with Yata mirror before lightning in mid arc could hit him. That's EASILY a MFTL(ightning) reaction speed. It makes sense too, because Itachi in his prime easily blitzed and shit stomped Nagato, who soloed Naruto and Killer Bee who were on par with Raikage's speed. This makes Itachi > Someone who easily stomped two lightning speed characters with light speed reactions.
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@ DP: lol, yes.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Just as DP said, tools can be thrown MUCH faster than most people can move in the series, a perfect example is the Lee/Gai thing.Here you go, Raikage can react to light speed. Itachi while sick could summon Susano'o with Yata mirror before lightning in mid arc could hit him. That's EASILY a MFTL(ightning) reaction speed. It makes sense too, because Itachi in his prime easily blitzed and shit stomped Nagato, who soloed Naruto and Killer Bee who were on par with Raikage's speed. This makes Itachi > Someone who easily stomped two lightning speed characters with light speed reactions.
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@ DP: lol, yes.
Hyperbole is just a concept youve never heard of isnt it
Originally posted by chasedown
It was thrown by 6 gates open leeHe still got hit 1 shuriken
And the lightning still hit him
AND?! ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT 6 GATES LEE IS FASTER THAN 8 GATES GAI???
Holy phuckin' BALLS dude, how re-phucking-tarded can you be?!
Itachi got hit by a rigged, lightning infused shuriken EXPLODING, and reacted fast enough to pull out his shield and BLOCK lightning before it could go from mid arc to him.
God phucking damn, I can't believe that you're this phucking retarded.
You must have some form of Alzheimer's or mental handicap, because you're literally the STUPIDEST ****ING PERSON I've ever had the displeasure to know.
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Originally posted by chasedown
Hyperbole is just a concept youve never heard of isnt it
I guess you haven't either, dumb phuck.
Hyperbole is exaggerating something to be dramatic.
Shi LITERALLY explained Raikage's speed. Not exaggerated it.
Why would he exaggerate something to be dramatic that he was thinking to himself? When Gin said his bankai was 500 times faster than sound though, you POUNCED all over that statement, even though he said it wasn't true later.
You're just a ****ing retard douche bag, and whatever respect anyone had for your fanboy opinion is gone now, you shriveled up husk of a fantard.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
AND?! ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT 6 GATES LEE IS FASTER THAN 8 GATES GAI???Holy phuckin' BALLS dude, how re-phucking-tarded can you be?!
Itachi got hit by a rigged, lightning infused shuriken EXPLODING, and reacted fast enough to pull out his shield and BLOCK lightning before it could go from mid arc to him.
God phucking damn, I can't believe that you're this phucking retarded.
You must have some form of Alzheimer's or mental handicap, because you're literally the STUPIDEST ****ING PERSON I've ever had the displeasure to know.
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Six gates guy is obviously stronger than base lee who has shown to be leagues stronger than normal humans of course the shuriken is going to move faster than normal.... I still wouldnt say its faster than lightning because lee nor gai are that fast.
So an electrically charged shuriken automatically makes it the speed of lightning you guys are hilarious.... Apparently logic and consistency mean nothing to you
Matter of fact its there in plain sight its obvious itachi took damage from the jutsu look at the aftermath its as clear as day kirin affected him. He didnt dodge it.
inconsistant feats are invalid
Originally posted by chasedown
Six gates guy is obviously stronger than base lee who has shown to be leagues stronger than normal humans of course the shuriken is going to move faster than normal.... I still wouldnt say its faster than lightning because lee nor gai are that fast.So an electrically charged shuriken automatically makes it the speed of lightning you guys are hilarious.... Apparently logic and consistency mean nothing to you
Matter of fact its there in plain sight its obvious itachi took damage from the jutsu look at the aftermath its as clear as day kirin affected him. He didnt dodge it.
inconsistant feats are invalid
WHAT?! THAT LITERALLY HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT YOU SAID! You were saying that kunai or shuriken weren't as fast as people moving, when six gate Lee threw a kunai faster than 8th gate Gai could move. Either way, I posted the scan of Itachi reacting to and blocking lightning. He did it. He has lightning speed reaction. End of story.
Are you phucking retarded?! A shuriken that hit someone who reacted to lightning is OBVIOUSLY at least CLOSE to lightning speed.
Matter of fact, I showed the scan already. He took ZERO damage from it, and was only knocked of his feet. 👆
Once again, there are DOZENS of lightning+ feats in Naruto, and you acting like there aren't just makes you look STUPID!!!
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
WHAT?! THAT LITERALLY HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT YOU SAID! You were saying that kunai or shuriken weren't as fast as people moving, when six gate Lee threw a kunai faster than 8th gate Gai could move. Either way, I posted the scan of Itachi reacting to and blocking lightning. He did it. He has lightning speed reaction. End of story.Are you phucking retarded?! A shuriken that hit someone who reacted to lightning is OBVIOUSLY at least CLOSE to lightning speed.
Matter of fact, I showed the scan already. He took ZERO damage from it, and was only knocked of his feet. 👆
Once again, there are DOZENS of lightning+ feats in Naruto, and you acting like there aren't just makes you look STUPID!!!
You misinterpreted what he said
The logic behind it is pretty clear if you look at the facts. Can any of us name a rigged shuriken that shoots other shuriken off at the speed of lightning? The mechanism didnt even have any gun powder so the logical guess would be it was made with some kind if spring mechnism that launched the blade at itachi all in all theres no way that blades coming from the shuriken faster than lightning. Which is what it would have to be if itachi could dodge or block lightning.
You guys say he can block lightning so that would mean that anything that hits itachi is faster than lightning which on average is 224000 mph. The shuriken would have to be moving 22400 mph plus
Just because something is charged with electricity doesnt mean its as fast as lightning. If that was the case real world weapons today would be devastating. You know how much higher america's death rate from violence would grow let alone the world's.
As chasedown said it is an inconsistent feat therefore it cant be taken seriously. I mean seriously hes too sick to dodge a shuriken one of his peers said he should have easily avoided and yet he can react to lightning.
Originally posted by Demonic PhoenixItachi's reflexes were shitty
Yet he inconsistently dodged lightning with shitty reflexes. Do you guys get the point thats being made here or is the itachi fan club just going to stand firm even though logic disagrees with you. I mean its ok to denounce logic just dont try to bring the sensible thinkers with you it wont work.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Resisting a single attack with the force to destroy entire mountain ranges >>> Resisting multiple attacks, the combined AOE of which was incapable of destroying a single city block. 👆Are you trying to imply that a hundred small building busting attack add up to a single mountain range busting attak(i.e. country busting attack)? Because I really think that's giving MG more abilities than he's supposed to have. 👆
The problem is the Yata Mirror, you can easily use it to deflect a powerful single attack, but we've seen other Susaano failing to block attacks that are much less powerful than mountain range (Madara's one got trashed by Tsunade). AOE doesn't always translate to power either.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Don't forget that 1. MG's force field doesn't specifically redirect heat,:
How do you figure that a weapon named Super Heat Shield doesn't absorb heat? Where did you get this info, on a wiki page? 😕
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
"blocking punches from the Raikage that have the capacity to do MUCH more damage than ALL of MG's attacks.
Eh? How do you figure? Every attack from a Godzilla monster carries several tons of weight behind it. As far as I recall Raikage has no feats on that level.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
"Do we have any proof that the Totsuka blade can seal shurikens?"As you can see from the scan, we have proof that the Totsuka blade can seal inorganic, non-living or even metal materials, as is proved by it sealing Orochimaru's Kusanagi sword. 👆
Ok, that's weirdcakes but it sounds like a legit venue of victory. It would give Itachi a better chance at wining, but he still needs to get close to MG who can fly and the blade is not a ranged attack. It increases his odds though 👆
Originally posted by Bentley
The problem is the Yata Mirror, you can easily use it to deflect a powerful single attack, but we've seen other Susaano failing to block attacks that are much less powerful than mountain range (Madara's one got trashed by Tsunade). AOE doesn't always translate to power either.How do you figure that a weapon named Super Heat Shield doesn't absorb heat? Where did you get this info, on a wiki page? 😕
Eh? How do you figure? Every attack from a Godzilla monster carries several tons of weight behind it. As far as I recall Raikage has no feats on that level.
Ok, that's weirdcakes but it sounds like a legit venue of victory. It would give Itachi a better chance at wining, but he still needs to get close to MG who can fly and the blade is not a ranged attack. It increases his odds though 👆
1. And? I didn't say other Susano'o. I said Itachi's. 👆
2. Weren't you the one who criticized me for saying Tien could punch light speed because his attack was "light speed punch"? To quote you on this same matter, "Love the name of an attack meaning everything.". 👆
3. As far as I recall, Raikage was able to emit more chakra than a biju, and overpower the eight tails in fights. The same eight tails that destroyed an entire giant forest by spinning in place, the same eight tails that shot biju bombs at the level of mountain busting, and the same eight tails that defeated the third Raikage who destroyed a mountain sized layer of Earth with three fingers. Literally NONE of the kaiju have powers able to come even CLOSE to mountain busting. Raikage can literally do that with a punch. 👆
4. Um, correct me if I'm wrong, but MG was only able to fly when not using any other of his weapons. Flying would only make him an easier target for Itachi's Susano'o to cleave through like butter.
Not long ranged? You mean to tell me that cutting the heads off of a hydra from hundreds of meters away easily with an extending flame sword that seals anything isn't a ranged weapon? Even if it wasn't, he still has Yasaka Magatama, which can compete with biju bombs in sheer destructive power and force. 👆