Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Face it, this is what you really meant. 👆
your literally saying things dont have to make sense and inconsistencies dont matter.
cmon like seriously you dont think it absurd that a simple contraption as that is moving that fast. if thats the case why isnt he throwing those lightning speed shurken at ppl like danzo.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Face it, this is what you really meant. 👆
your literally saying things dont have to make sense and inconsistencies dont matter. yet in other threads you try to use calcs to defend your claim.
you can barely see the lightning chakra on that blade because there was so little of it. And you mean to tell me that more energy was applied to the blade in order make it faster than the kirin jutsu and that is why itachi got hit.
If thats the case why isnt he throwing those lightning speed shurken at all his other opponents. Danzo clear as day is not faster than lightning he could have used those on him.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
lol, again, you're comparing an anime to shit in real life. The feats are there. You still haven't disproved it ONCE, so thanks for the concession. 😉Yes, it obviously is if it can hit someone who was able to react to and dodge lightning. 👆
im just asking to think logically and your reply in a nutshell is basically logic doesnt matter. I cant debate with people like you because your idiocy makes me tired and i have better shit to than argue with a child.
making sense is apparently hard for you.
its not a concession because that occurs when someone says the other side is right.
Agreeing to disagree is different there is no winner. each side still holds there beliefs.
Originally posted by chasedown
your literally saying things dont have to make sense and inconsistencies dont matter. yet in other threads you try to use calcs to defend your claim.you can barely see the lightning chakra on that blade because there was so little of it. And you mean to tell me that more energy was applied to the blade in order make it faster than the kirin jutsu and that is why itachi got hit.
If thats the case why isnt he throwing those lightning speed shurken at all his other opponents. Danzo clear as day is not faster than lightning he could have used those on him.
OH MY ****ING GOOOOOOOODDD!
You are trolling me. You have to be.
You're arguing that physics matter in a series where people shoot black flames from hell from their eyes, and giant demons that can destroy mountains can be sealed into pots.
Mathematics work because powers are scaled finitely. Physics don't, because 99% of all fighting animes COMPLETELY IGNORE THEM.
Kirin was lightning. Making it lightning speed. The shuriken was amplified by lightning chakra, and thrown by a superhuman able to lift multi ton giants casually, and punch through solid steel like it's nothing.
You can't argue the feats.
Also, are you saying that if you threw a football as far as you could, and immediately took off running, you could catch it? Throwing speed>>>movement speed. 👆
Originally posted by yungz22
im just asking to think logically and your reply in a nutshell is basically logic doesnt matter. I cant debate with people like you because your idiocy makes me tired and i have better shit to than argue with a child.making sense is apparently hard for you.
its not a concession because that occurs when someone says the other side is right.
Agreeing to disagree is different there is no winner. each side still holds there beliefs.
THIS. IS. AN. ANIME.
Mathematics measure a finite scale of ability. Physics do not apply to people who walk on water, shoot black hell flames from their eyes, blow up mountains by summoning a demon skeleton with a gesture that throws a ranged missile made from energy, and casually throw around mountain and country busting attacks. Anime physics apply to them, which means they can do what their energy permits. This is measured by powerscaling based on scans, or the scans themselves. Even statements work.
Saying no one can throw a shuriken faster than lightning does NOT. It's an anime. They have done it, meaning that they CAN throw shurikens faster than lightning. 👆
This is phucking pitiful.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Now we're putting Madara in this? It is fact that he would shit on all of the Kaiju at the same time, by unsheathing his perfect Susano'o sword. Seriously though, Itachi has the ability to stab MG through the chest and instantly seal him for all eternity. You still have come up with no counter for that.
Flight. I told you already. MG cannot really duke it out with a target as small as Itachi, it's obvious that a ranged attack from a far distance is the way to go.
My point when I mentioned Madara is that his Susano'o has been broken by Tsunade, we can't go around assuming Susano'os will just tank everything indefinitvely. I don't see it working that way, and MG can keep on firing its weapons against Itachi for a very long time.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
I agree, this thread is garbage. Mostly because of how obvious it is that Itachi solo's.
That's not the reason, try not to be condescending (with me anyways, I get that some other posters may be mistreating you, but at least I'm keeping it civil)
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
I have watched both mechagodzilla movies. What happened was MG was able to absorb the heat from most nuclear beams, like the ones Godzilla showed to be able to use. However, depending on the heat of the attack, it could penetrate through his outer shell and heat up his core. This was witnessed when he couldn't fully absorb Rodan's Uranium heat ray, and was bright orange when he attempted to, and was open to attacks for a few moments before he could cool back down. Amaterasu could potentially be hot enough to do the same, as it instantly scorched a giant hole in the belly of a creature the breaths fire.
MG does have Heat Resistance, something no other opponent that Itachi faced has. It's just speculation to say how fastAmaterasu would burn through MG. Keep in mind that for this combat, MG has the added benefit of the mobility of the other Mechagodzillas -Heisei MG is by far the least mobile of the trio, the fusion corrects this-.
Not every fire breathing entities are inmune to fire. Also, there are five Mechagodzilla movies.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Then there was no need to argue about the other Susano'o, was there? I was saying none of the Kaiju including Godzilla, or MG have the ability to mountain bust. The closest thing to which was MG cutting through a hill top when he missed Godzilla with his orange beam thing.
Kaijus don't attack mountains nor they usually use explosive ranged atacks. This is moot for me anyways, I don't think you really need that much power to get through Susaano.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
MG 2 could only attack BY flying, as in ramming an opponent whilst in flight. Itachi is fast enough to instantly jam a Totsuka blade in his ass, and the fights over.
Minute 55, Mechagodzilla hovering while unleashing attacks on Goji: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NA9braOU5kI
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
No, I gave the fourth Raikage the feats of the third Raikage. You know, because it was stated that he was the strongest and fastest of all the Raikage's, meaning that if the third Raikage could do something with his Raiton armor based on shear strength, then so could the fourth Raikage. I.e. busting a mountain sized layer of sand, Earth and Rubber. 👆
The Third Raikage's armor was waaaay more impressive both in offense and defense. A statement is just that: hype. When one of the hokages gets called the strongest hokage it doesn't become inmedially true.
You cannot just use other character's feats when it fits your argument (like with the Raikages) and then dismiss the same reasoning when it hurts your position (like with Madara and Itachi).
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Yasaka Magatama? The long ranged attack Itachi used that was equivalent to Killer Bee's eight tailed giant Biju bomb and Naruto's KCM Super Oodama Rasen shuriken. 👆
Ah, I didn't know it's name, thanks for the info.
It doesn't have any feat of destructive power I'm afraid. It doesn't have showing anything proving it's range either. But if it ever busted a mountain, I'd like to know it, it would be pretty damn persuasive to say the least.
Originally posted by Bentley
Flight. I told you already. MG cannot really duke it out with a target as small as Itachi, it's obvious that a ranged attack from a far distance is the way to go.My point when I mentioned Madara is that his Susano'o has been broken by Tsunade, we can't go around assuming Susano'os will just tank everything indefinitvely. I don't see it working that way, and MG can keep on firing its weapons against Itachi for a very long time.
You're telling me that the flight demonstrated in the MG movies is even comparable to the overall agility or speed that even low tier Naruto characters demonstrate on a regular basis.
Tsunade broke Madara's partial, skeletal Susano'o, and she required Mitotic regeneration to do even that. Let's not forget that the same Susano'o from Madara withstood the weight of entire mountains being slammed into it without the slightest fracture... That puts her strength at FAR above anything that ANY Kaiju has ever demonstrated, including MG and Godzilla himself.
Originally posted by Bentley
That's not the reason, try not to be condescending (with me anyways, I get that some other posters may be mistreating you, but at least I'm keeping it civil)
Oh, I wasn't trying to be condescending. I thought you were agreeing with me. I'm a huge Godzilla fan too, but it's obvious here that he would get stomped in an instant, which is why this thread is garbage. I thought that you were disappointed for the same reason, as it's an insult to Godzilla and Itachi. For Godzilla, because this is obviously a spite thread, and for Itachi because he could kill any of the Kaiju with a single attack.
Originally posted by Bentley
MG does have Heat Resistance, something no other opponent that Itachi faced has. It's just speculation to say how fastAmaterasu would burn through MG. Keep in mind that for this combat, MG has the added benefit of the mobility of the other Mechagodzillas -Heisei MG is by far the least mobile of the trio, the fusion corrects this-.Not every fire breathing entities are inmune to fire. Also, there are five Mechagodzilla movies.
Yes, but that can be chocked up to the same as any type of resistance. Even Orochimaru demonstrated resistance to fire in his original body against the third hokage. Itachi one panneled Oro. Yes, it's speculation to say how hot Amaterasu is going by the feats, but the data books claim it to be hotter than the sun. They don't specify how much hotter, or if it means the surface or the core, but that's at least a minimum temperature of around 10 million degrees fahrenheit, and a max of around 27 million degrees. NONE of the Kaiju have mobility that even mid-tier Naruto characters pull out of their asses casually.
True, but Jiraiya wouldn't have thought anything about the specific toad if it didn't have fire resistance. That would be like him being surprised that Deidara was one-panneled by Itachi's genjutsu, even though he had no resistance or defense against it. 👆
Really?! I knew about the three that included the first MG, the next one with where he was refined and the one where MG fused with the plane thing and got the laser cannons and the wings. I didn't know there were five, damn.
Originally posted by Bentley
Kaijus don't attack mountains nor they usually use explosive ranged atacks. This is moot for me anyways, I don't think you really need that much power to get through Susaano.
Except even when they miss, they still demonstrate no more than building destruction capacity.
Well, I hate to be so blatant, but that doesn't matter. The feat is there, and it defines just how strong the Yata mirror used by Itachi is.
Originally posted by Bentley
Minute 55, Mechagodzilla hovering while unleashing attacks on Goji: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NA9braOU5kI
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That is probably the most unimpressive flight feat I've ever seen. Ohnoki is far more mobile, and even Madara's partial pseudo Susano'o clones can tag him with slower reactions than Naruto. Even though Ohnoki is smaller, and MUCH faster/mobile/agile. Itachi would laugh at MG's attempt at using flight against him.
Originally posted by Bentley
The Third Raikage's armor was waaaay more impressive both in offense and defense. A statement is just that: hype. When one of the hokages gets called the strongest hokage it doesn't become inmedially true.You cannot just use other character's feats when it fits your argument (like with the Raikages) and then dismiss the same reasoning when it hurts your position (like with Madara and Itachi).
The fourth Raikage was stated to be almost as durable and strong as the third, which was why he could use the teleport jutsu that Mabui had, while also being the fastest Raikage of all. That's not hype, it's an accurate gauge based on the fact that he could use the teleportation that no other Raikage other than the third could. The thirds is about equally as impressive in offense, as he was able to do damage to Madara's partial Susano'o skeleton, that took blows with the weight of mountains.
I didn't dismiss anything about Madara and Itachi, I simply used your logic when you applied a double standard. Madara was able to dish out and tank mountain range busting attacks while laughing with his perfect Susano'o. Itachi could do the same, but only with the Yata mirror.
Originally posted by Bentley
Ah, I didn't know it's name, thanks for the info.It doesn't have any feat of destructive power I'm afraid. It doesn't have showing anything proving it's range either. But if it ever busted a mountain, I'd like to know it, it would be pretty damn persuasive to say the least.
You're welcome. Thanks for keeping the debate civilized, while actually providing proof for your counter-arguments instead of making baseless claims, supported by only your ignorance, fan logic, and bias(like SOME posters I know...).
However, Yasaka Magatama has a higher destruction level in the data books than Killer Bee's Biju bomb, while Naruto's Super Oodama Rasen Shuriken is slightly lower. Altogether, it equals out to even greater than a biju bomb, which can be used to blow up entire mountains. Remember, this along with two other nearly equal attacks was used to blow up a small moon.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
You're telling me that the flight demonstrated in the MG movies is even comparable to the overall agility or speed that even low tier Naruto characters demonstrate on a regular basis.
From my very first post I stated that Itachi would win unless speed was equalized. There is no point in arguing the battle if you allow one side to essentially move unopposed for an extended period of relative time.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Tsunade broke Madara's partial, skeletal Susano'o, and she required Mitotic regeneration to do even that.
Tsunade, even after regeneration, has no feats on the level of mountain busting. As far as I know very few Naruto characters -if any- have displayed physical strength in that level. They always "mountain bust" with explosion.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Let's not forget that the same Susano'o from Madara withstood the weight of entire mountains being slammed into it without the slightest fracture... That puts her strength at FAR above anything that ANY Kaiju has ever demonstrated, including MG and Godzilla himself.
It seems a bit of a extrapolation for me to make Tsunade that strong by comparing her with falling rocks. Which feat are you referring to when these mountains are hurled at Susaano'o?
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Yes, but that can be chocked up to the same as any type of resistance. Even Orochimaru demonstrated resistance to fire in his original body against the third hokage. Itachi one panneled Oro.
Kind of unrelated as Itachi didn't use fire to own Oro.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Yes, it's speculation to say how hot Amaterasu is going by the feats, but the data books claim it to be hotter than the sun. They don't specify how much hotter, or if it means the surface or the core, but that's at least a minimum temperature of around 10 million degrees fahrenheit, and a max of around 27 million degrees.
For a moment you had me confused with such a high number, I admit the fahrenheit scale doesn't come natural to me. But the value seems a bit too high if you're ranking it at millions. Here the minimum it's stated at 6000 degrees kelvin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photosphere
It's still pretty damn hot, I don't think I have any movie comparison point that goes that high for MG.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
True, but Jiraiya wouldn't have thought anything about the specific toad if it didn't have fire resistance. That would be like him being surprised that Deidara was one-panneled by Itachi's genjutsu, even though he had no resistance or defense against it. 👆.
I don't seem to recall the scene, I'll look it up for it later.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Well, I hate to be so blatant, but that doesn't matter. The feat is there, and it defines just how strong the Yata mirror used by Itachi is.
I still would need to go into a deeper analysis to further figure how resistant Susaano'o is exactly. But at this point I think you've argued your point fairly well and doing such close inspection is uncalled.
I see that Amaterasu can be a legitimate venue of victory, so it should give Itachi the offensive edge to close the deal (unless the fire is resisted somewhere, but I recall it to be mostly unopposed when it's not absorbed).
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
That is probably the most unimpressive flight feat I've ever seen.
Yeah, but he can fly and attack 😂
I guess maybe the amalgam would have better flying capabilities? MG I had a better fly speed over the others.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
The fourth Raikage was stated to be almost as durable and strong as the third
He didn't quite tank Naruto like the Fourth did. Their abilities seemed pretty different.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
However, Yasaka Magatama has a higher destruction level in the data books than Killer Bee's Biju bomb, while Naruto's Super Oodama Rasen Shuriken is slightly lower. Altogether, it equals out to even greater than a biju bomb, which can be used to blow up entire mountains. Remember, this along with two other nearly equal attacks was used to blow up a small moon.
Well, as you can probably guess I haven't read the databooks, the only thing I know is that the mini moon couldn't be destroyed by any of those three attacks by themselves (or even a combination of the two). But I don't know the exact side of said moon, so calculating it's durability it's hard.
All in all, it's been pretty informative to debate with you, I appreciate the time you've spent on analysing these feats 👆
Originally posted by Bentley
From my very first post I stated that Itachi would win unless speed was equalized. There is no point in arguing the battle if you allow one side to essentially move unopposed for an extended period of relative time.Tsunade, even after regeneration, has no feats on the level of mountain busting. As far as I know very few Naruto characters -if any- have displayed physical strength in that level. They always "mountain bust" with explosion.
It seems a bit of a extrapolation for me to make Tsunade that strong by comparing her with falling rocks. Which feat are you referring to when these mountains are hurled at Susaano'o?
Kind of unrelated as Itachi didn't use fire to own Oro.
For a moment you had me confused with such a high number, I admit the fahrenheit scale doesn't come natural to me. But the value seems a bit too high if you're ranking it at millions. Here the minimum it's stated at 6000 degrees kelvin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photosphere
It's still pretty damn hot, I don't think I have any movie comparison point that goes that high for MG.
I don't seem to recall the scene, I'll look it up for it later.
I still would need to go into a deeper analysis to further figure how resistant Susaano'o is exactly. But at this point I think you've argued your point fairly well and doing such close inspection is uncalled.
I see that Amaterasu can be a legitimate venue of victory, so it should give Itachi the offensive edge to close the deal (unless the fire is resisted somewhere, but I recall it to be mostly unopposed when it's not absorbed).
Yeah, but he can fly and attack 😂
I guess maybe the amalgam would have better flying capabilities? MG I had a better fly speed over the others.
He didn't quite tank Naruto like the Fourth did. Their abilities seemed pretty different.
Well, as you can probably guess I haven't read the databooks, the only thing I know is that the mini moon couldn't be destroyed by any of those three attacks by themselves (or even a combination of the two). But I don't know the exact side of said moon, so calculating it's durability it's hard.
All in all, it's been pretty informative to debate with you, I appreciate the time you've spent on analysing these feats 👆
Okay, but he would still win with it equalized, as I've proven over and over again already.
Do you not get this? If a mountain busting attack does nothing to someone, and someone else manages to damage the person with mountain range+ durability, then whatever attack they used to damage that person has mountain range++ potency. Maybe not AOE, but at least power.
This is the feat I was talking about. Madara instantly broke out of Gaara's sand Tsunami pyramid that was condensed with Onoki's particle style and Mei's water jutsu.
I guess, but he didn't need fire to own him. A simple, base genjutsu was more than enough to make him shit his pants, he didn't need to vaporize him completely with amaterasu.
lol, my bad, I didn't notice you were from France. Anyway, yes, MG has no feats that compare to the heat that Amaterasu can(based on the cannon databooks made by the Author) generate.
Oh, I can provide the scene.
Here it is. It was a flash back Deidara had while fighting Sasuke after using Karura. Itachi dodged a few bombs and one panneled him with genjutsu. I, again, brought this up only to prove that the mountain toad had extreme fire resistance, and Amaterasu broke through it instantly.
Thanks, lol. I enjoy debates where the person I'm against has a different point of view, but also the mental capacity to actually argue their point without just denying every cannon scan or fact I provide, lol(like some people I know... *cough, cough*Yungz*cough*). The only thing Itachi could have trouble with is the fact that MG is a robot that doesn't feel pain, so he could be attacking while coated in Ammy and prove to be dangerous to Itachi. However, a quick Totsuka stab should end the fight in a second with no drawbacks.
lol, I guess. Speed being equalized though is something that's very difficult when talking about a normal sized human compared to a hundred ton steel war machine that's meant to cause damage, but not be so mobile, fast or agile as Itachi is. Either way, he still has the insta-seal advantage, combined with the Yata mirror that would at least take MG a while to break through(because it did casually block a small moon busting attack).
True, and I agree. The third should be stronger and more durable, whereas the fourth is much faster. However, I don't see their durabilities or strength being far enough apart to make a difference in their actual fighting abilities.
Exactly, but my point was that the Yata mirror blocked the combined explosions of those three attack(which busted the small moon, which was at least mountain range sized), and of the planetary devastation, and casually at that. This adds up to Itachi being able to block anything MG could throw at him, at least in the time it would take him to seal MG.
I like debating with smart people too, so thanks. I'm actually shocked that there's five MG movies though, I'm gonna have to try and find them some time, lol.