Ulic's really underrated it seems.
Holding off an enraged and powerful Jedi while cut off from the Force, physically frail and not having touched a lightsaber for years is hardly anything to laugh at.
There's no finer feat of pure talent with a lightsaber in the mythos. Not by a long shot. Unless you can name one...
If you're asking for a force user who fights as well as Ulic without the force, then off course you won't get one as the vast majority of force users never are cut off from the force. However, that alone does not mean Ulic is the most skilled duelist ever. Plenty of other characters have accolades suggesting they are incredibly skilled such as Mace Windu or Kas'im.
^ Yeah, Niman is supposed to be balanced, but in at least 3 different sources it was outright stated that masters of other styles consider it to be "insufficiently demanding". It was also stated that a Niman expert defeating a Makashi expert would be "nearly impossible", despite the former incorporating bits of every style(sans Juyo/Vaapad.)
I've always thought of Niman as one of the shittiest forms, tbh. /shrug
Originally posted by Astor Ebligis
Ulic's really underrated it seems.Holding off an enraged and powerful Jedi while cut off from the Force, physically frail and not having touched a lightsaber for years is hardly anything to laugh at.
There's no finer feat of pure talent with a lightsaber in the mythos. Not by a long shot. Unless you can name one...
Pre Vizsla.
Originally posted by ares834
Just flipped through Jedi Path and saw the Makashi quote; it appears Lord Stark was correct. Pretty stupid TBH.
Yeah that's strange. Wasn't Niman Darth Maul's original form which Plaguies praised his skills for?
Also Starkiller II used the form, as well as Ataro. So it seems to me Jar Kai users will be primarily Niman and Ataro users. And given some feats we saw in TCW Season 5, Jar Kai can definitely be a deadly form.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I think I might have been thinking about Shii-Cho. Isn't that what Kit Fisto uses and is hardcore crazy good with?
"For superior balance, use the Niman form. This form has no specific strengths, but no weaknesses either."- Master Kavar
Is this what you are thinking of?
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Yeah that's strange. Wasn't Niman Darth Maul's original form which Plaguies praised his skills for?Also Starkiller II used the form, as well as Ataro. So it seems to me Jar Kai users will be primarily Niman and Ataro users. And given some feats we saw in TCW Season 5, Jar Kai can definitely be a deadly form.
Niman is great in conjunction with another form, particularly when using a dual bladed weapon but that's just it. Maul was a Master of Juyo and Niman. Starkiller was Ataru and Niman. Niman is just a pre-req for Jar' Kai if I am not mistaken.
Originally posted by Lord StarkNiman is great in conjunction with another form, particularly when using a dual bladed weapon but that's just it. Maul was a Master of Juyo and Niman. Starkiller was Ataru and Niman. Niman is just a pre-req for Jar' Kai if I am not mistaken.
Ah right so your saying it's useless if it's used without evolving it into Jar Kai. Or blending it with another form. Gotcha.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
The idea that Exar Kun, Mr. Super Competitive and Headstrong, would use Niman kind of boggles the mind
I imagine it went something like this:
VODO: Exar Kun, have you chosen a lightsabre form to specialize in?
EXAR: Yes Master Vodo. I shall specialize in Niman.
VODO: (thinks) Good. Perhaps he's finally learned to curb that competitive streak.
VODO: (aloud) A fine choice my apprentice.
EXAR: Thank you Master. I am certain I can raise the Form's level of bladework with sufficient training and when I do so the style's overall versatility will give me an edge.
VODO: (mutters) I should have known...
EXAR: What was that Master Vodo?
VODO: Nothing. Nothing at all.
I think some people might be getting the wrong impression.
It's not that a Niman master can't be amazingly skillful--they certainly can be(examples have already been provided.) Heck, a master of any form can be a badass. The problem with Niman in particular is that it is 'insufficiently demanding' for what your getting. Why? Well for one, it takes a minimum of 10 years of non-stop practice exclusively with Niman to master it:
http://imgur.com/MYYM52Q
...And its major emphasis isn't even on bladework.
Compare this to some of the other, more useful, powerful, and all around better forums(namely Forms I, III, IV, and V) that only take a few years of practice to perfect, and you can see why training on Niman for no less than a decade seems like a complete waste:
http://imgur.com/a722QOl
There just isn't much 'bank for your buck':
http://imgur.com/XhDd2HR
Niman is, however, the foundation of Jar'Kai--which is likely its best-suited use throughout the mythos:
http://imgur.com/XXfA2Ok
Originally posted by The_TempestHe was the first I thought of as well. The fact that he isn't even a force-adept, yet possesses sufficient swordsmanship to give top-tier Jedi/Sith a run for their money, is astounding.
Pre Vizsla.
Originally posted by Astor EbligisAgain, Niman masters aren't 'ineffective'. Get that notion out of your head.
The idea that Exar Kun used such an impractical form simply isn't compatible with the source material, so we can either question whether Exar Kun truly was simply a Niman master, or whether Niman was as ineffective as those sources would indicate.Either way this doesn't really change anything.
Niman as a form is simply more impractical to master(relative to many of the other forms) because of the time it takes to perfect in comparison to what you're ultimately attaining. Ten years is a LONG time--it didn't take Mace Windu much longer than that to both develop and master Vaapad, for example.