Emperor Vitiate, Exar Kun and Darth Sidious Vs Revan,Luke Skywalker and Yoda

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Originally posted by Arhael
I don't see how attacking with lightning a group of Jedi standing in one place proves Vitiate's awareness of entire battle. It's just an AOE attack, it doesn't demonstrate good awareness during a fight.

Actually Vitiate acted like a PRO in this contest; he didn't grant the Jedi Strike Team a chance to charge him, he quickly bombarded the entire Jedi Strike Team to submission and this was a good decision on his part.

Originally posted by Arhael
In any case AOE is unwise. Vitiate will be lucky to overpower any single opponent with concentrated attack, spreading it on several opponents will reduce potency.

Vitiate's powers aren't easy to handle even for any other individual in the mythos or should expected to be. If Vitiate bogs down the entire Team 1 with his powers, his companions would have ample time for eliminating Team 1.

Originally posted by Arhael
That does not prove anything.

I disagree.

Originally posted by Arhael
But actually Jedi team has the same problem here. Revan demonstrated his incompetence, when instead of helping his team mates to quickly get read of guards, he bull-rushed Vitiate alone. On top of that we know that Vitiate can overpower Revan for sure. So unless Luke and Yoda can babysit Revan or boost him with battle meditation/battle-meld, it is a 2vs3 fight.

Revan and his companions couldn't risk a continuous battle against hordes of Vitiate's powerbase with Vitiate continuously augmenting his minions in the process. Revan had decided the entire course of action prior to the actual duel; he would keep Vitiate busy for a while and his companions would attempt to seal the throne room and join him in his effort to assassinate Vitiate.

Unfortunately for Revan, Vitiate was too powerful even for combined might of Revan, Meetra and Scourge and didn't foresee Scourge's betrayal. This have been noted in the novel.


Unfortunately for them, Vitiate was too powerful even for combined might of Revan, Meetra and Scourge. This have been noted in the novel. [/B]

👇 We don't know this. Scourge even says he doesn't know.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
👇 We don't know this. Scourge even says he doesn't know.

Here is a firm statement:

Betraying his allies had not altered the inevitable outcome; the Emperor would have won regardless. At least this way Scourge was still alive to carry on their cause.

It should be clear to everybody that Sith Emperor isn't just better then Revan, he is among the most powerful Force-users in the mythos on the whole.

Sith Emperor is/was so powerful that he 'easily' subdued the Jedi Strike Team led by Tol Braga on a neutral setting.

Team 1.

Is that not the author writing in Scourge's third person perspective?

It should be clear to everybody that Sith Emperor isn't just better then Revan, he is among the most powerful Force-users in the mythos on the whole.

Sure...but someone like Caedus is more powerful (obv).
Sith Emperor is/was so powerful that he 'easily' subdued the Jedi Strike Team led by Tol Braga on a neutral setting.

I'm so impressed. Not like Luke, Sidious, Plagueis, Caedus, Yoda, etc couldn't this. *note the sarcasm*

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Sure...but someone like Caedus is more powerful (obv).

Not obv.

I'd give Caedus the nod as well, despite the hate I have for him.

Vitiate would go down hard against Caedus's speed and lightsaber prowess.

Caedus would go down hard to Vitiates telepathy, TK or lightning.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Caedus would go down hard to Vitiates telepathy, TK or lightning.

Caedus' TK feats are vastly greater than Vitiate's.

Such as?

Casually moving 40 meter long ships.

Telepathy? He requires prep for that.
TK? He moved like 130 foot ship.
Lightning? Nothing he can't block with a saber.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Is that not the author writing in Scourge's third person perspective?

No.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Sure...but someone like Caedus is more powerful (obv).

And I am expected to believe in this, really?

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I'm so impressed. Not like Luke, Sidious, Plagueis, Caedus, Yoda, etc couldn't this. *note the sarcasm*

Do you really know? I am not interested in these kind of baseless presumptions.

- Plagueis couldn't outduel Venamis irrespective of being superior to the latter.
- Luke have struggled against lesser foes several times.
- Caedus almost lost to Mara in a serious encounter.
- Yoda isn't such an overwhelming duelist. Sidious one-shot him actually but wasted the opportunity to kill him.

The Jedi Strike Team, in question here, is one of the best ever assembled. The Jedi in this team are canonically among the most powerful and resolute in the Order's history. Combined might of 4 Force-users of such caliber should be technically/logically enough against majority of challenges in the mythos.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Telepathy? He requires prep for that.
TK? He moved like 130 foot ship.
Lightning? Nothing he can't block with a saber.

No he doesn't.
And Vitiate collapsed the Dark Temple while practically bifurcated.
Yes it is. I'd love to see Caedus try to block Vitiates lightning.

The Dark Temple is probably the strongest dark side nexus in the mythos.

And Vitiate was so exhausted he could practically stand. And was greatly weakened. And had just been cut in half.

- Plagueis couldn't easily kill Venamis.

In a lightsaber fight, yes, which Vitiate is awful at.
- Luke have struggled against lesser foes several times.

He defeated the most powerful Sith Lord ever, beat Caedus, wtfpwned Lumiya, fought Abeloth numerous times, etc etc.
- Caedus almost lost to Mara in a serious encounter.

Did you even read the book and the advantages Mara had? Like seriously?
- Yoda isn't such an overwhelming duelist. Sidious one-shot him actually but wasted the opportunity to kill him.

😂

No he doesn't.

Vitiate would solo the rest of team 1, or team 2 tbh.

Imagine Dark Empire Sidious, not the depowered Clone who lost to Luke, the elderly Clone who corrupted and Leia and dispatched them with hand gestures and summoned Dark Side Wormholes, times a thousand. Then you have Vitiate, who also happened to know far more sorcerer, alchemical, and ritualistic techniques than Sidious.

Vitiate had a millennium to delve into Sith lore, not to mention he absorbed far more life force than did Palpatine in his time.