Emperor Vitiate, Exar Kun and Darth Sidious Vs Revan,Luke Skywalker and Yoda

Started by Nephthys11 pages

Aren't some martial arts exactly like that though? Like the chinese ones based off of animals or something?

Sorta. But the five forms are supposed to come together to create one full style.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Eh, I just remember Cin Drallig calling Niman the least worthy of study of the seven forms, it seems odd then that the saber prodigy Exar Kun would then chose that as his form of choice.
I know it's a bit late, but this explains why such esteemed swordsman, like Kun and Maul, would have honed their Niman skills:

Niman being essential to dual-bladed combat is pretty much the only reason Force-users bothered to study it at all.

^^^

Good information. Thanks for sharing.

Ditto. I really think they ought to just rename Niman though, because it clearly got mixed in with the Diplomat's Form, and should not itself have any relation to such form.

Anyway, since Revan and Vitiate are *not* on an extremely powerful Dark Nexus this time, the odds should more or less be evened out. Same probably goes for Yoda and Palpatine.

Then Luke takes Exar Kun to the curb, and the Jedi win the overall gambit.

Sith Emperor is extremely potent and dangerous in any setting. He has the hype of being the most powerful Force-user in the galaxy as long as he lasted, this is very telling.

Putting Sith Emperor and Sidious (Prime) together in a duel is too much for any adversary in the mythos.

The Jedi are outgunned.

All Sith emperor can is just stay in one place and channel direct attacks in attempt to overpower. No creativity or skill to outwit opponent, just give all you have and hope it works. Good tactic against mooks. He would be even worse ally, when it comes to team cooperation, noo experience whatsoever in that regard.

Originally posted by Arhael
All Sith emperor can is just stay in one place and channel direct attacks in attempt to overpower. No creativity or skill to outwit opponent, just give all you have and hope it works. Good tactic against mooks. He would be even worse ally, when it comes to team cooperation, noo experience whatsoever in that regard.

Emperor ran a whole Sith Empire with brilliance. He is a great leader, manager/supervisor and coordinator.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Emperor ran a whole Sith Empire with brilliance. He is a great leader, manager/supervisor and coordinator.

And it relates to fighting as a team how?

In case they need an operations manager.

Vitiate can conjure clones and dominate minds. Its not like his only tactic is spamming lightning.

But Vitiate can't dominate minds because nolimitsfallacy/idontlikehim/revanmadehimlookweaker/soandsohasastrongwill.

Sith Emperor doesn't needs much of tactical and technical brilliance during combat situations due to his enormous power. He just outright outguns any opponent in his way with his incredible powers.

However, SWTOR(E) notes that Sith Emperor is a brilliant tactician as well.

Originally posted by Arhael
And it relates to fighting as a team how?

Management role requires decent team-building and managing skills. In short, prerequisite.

Sith Emperor isn't a mindless being, he is calculative and practical.

Analogy: When Scourge backstabbed Meetra, this diverted Revan's attention and Sith Emperor immediately took advantage. He even pointed out to Scourge that his actions were less then satisfactory.

Sith Emperor held on to his thrown due to combination of his sheer brilliance and power. Expect Sith Emperor to be a good at teamwork.

If Luke lost to some random guy like Desann and needed to be amped to fight DE Palpatine (yes I'm aware he's legions stronger than Kun), then how exactly is he going to beat Kun?

Originally posted by carthage
If Luke lost to some random guy like Desann and needed to be amped to fight DE Palpatine (yes I'm aware he's legions stronger than Kun), then how exactly is he going to beat Kun?

You're a funny guy, WB.

Just making an observation, his strength seems kind of out of place. How the **** do you go from beating Vader to losing to a featless swordsman like Desann?

He didn't need an amp to defeat Palpatine in a duel. He beat him fair and square (taken from the audio drama):

Sound: The Emperor's own lightsaber activates.

EMPEROR: So be it. Through the power of the Force, you will DIE!!!

Sound: The Emperor lunges at Luke--who activates his own lightsaber and blocks the blow!! A vicious duel ensues between the two. Both grunt and yell as they lash out.

LEIA: Be careful, Luke! The Force is strong....they're both moving so fast, I can hardly see them....I feel waves of power....the Dark Side and the Light.....But......I feel......the Light.....is winning!!

Sound: One blow finally lands---and something thuds on the floor as both lightsabers deactivate!

EMPEROR: NNAAAAARRRGGGHHH!!!! MY HANDD!!! YOU'VE CUT OFF MY HANNNDDDD!!!!!!

LUKE: NOW, "Your Highness," we will escort you to the Alliance base, where you will surrender the Galaxy to the New Republic!!

EMPEROR: (long pause) Look at you. Don't think I don't know your plan.

Sound: A far-off roar begins in the far distance.....the same noise that spirited Luke away from Coruscant.

EMPEROR: The Dark Side HAS you. You intend to rule the Galaxy, in my place. But....utter imbecile that you are....you have STILL failed to understand MY POWERRRR!!!!!!

LEIA: (hearing the noise) What's happening?!

EMPEROR: Watch the viewscreen!! And listen as your friends DIE!!!!

Sound: The sound becomes louder......and moving lower.

LUKE: He's created another storm!

LEIA: It's descending on Pinnacle Base, consuming all the ships in its path! (rushes to the comm console and activates the comm) Mon Mothma, can you hear me?!

MON MOTHMA: (on intercom, shouting to be heard) Princess Leia, there's an energy storm! It's suddenly taken over the planet!! We have 12 ships lost already!!! All our hands have been lost--we're being wiped out!!!

HAN: (on intercom) LEIA!! LE-----(ominous static)

LEIA: (tightly controlling her anger) You're going to SLAUGHTER all those people!!

EMPEROR: Yes. Did I not warn you? I've played your Jedi dueling games long enough. Now, you will experience my FULL potency. I live as energy!! I AM THE DARK SIDE!!!!

LUKE: What have you done....? The power you've unleashed....even YOU can't control it!

LEIA: But WE can, Luke. WE can do it. That's what the Holocron meant. Let me add my power to yours.

EMPEROR: Yes. Waste your time on stupid Jedi tricks. The storm will crush your Rebel base to dust.

LUKE: (echoing) Leia....

LEIA: (echoing) I'm here, Luke.

LUKE: (echoing) Concentrate.....

LEIA: (echoing) I'm trying.

EMPEROR: What are you doing?

LEIA: (echoing) Luke, I FEEL the Force!

EMPEROR: (realizing at long last) NO!!!

Originally posted by carthage
Just making an observation, his strength seems kind of out of place. How the **** do you go from beating Vader to losing to a featless swordsman like Desann?

I don't know about the instances you're referring to as my interest in the era is minimal at best, but LOTF (Legacy of the Force) and FOTJ (Fate of the Jedi) are widely regarded as extremely inconsistent with regards to the power levels as several characters are equipped with plot armor.

Desann is in neither of those sagas. ^
lol.