Mace and Yoda vs HoT and Barsenthor

Originally posted by The_Tempest
facepalm

Stark provided evidence of Yoda using the Force offensively. You're welcome to say that Yoda's team will still lose; you're even welcome to say that it's not in Yoda's typical behavior to attack with the Force.

But it is an irrefutable, unassailable [b]fact that he has used the Force offensively and will under the proper circumstances.

Period. [/B]

Sure, to non-lethally subdue non-force sensitives, take peoples lightsabers or limp-wristedly shove people. If you want to call that offensive then that's your call, but to me it still speaks of Yoda's defensive mindset. I term all of those as self-defense.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
So you think tossing a multi-ton Senate pod at someone wouldn't kill them?

He also blatantly plots to assassinate Sidious. Have you ever considered that Yoda changed philosophies after his offense failed so miserably?

If you watch the pod, it never would have actually hit Sidious. Also it was slow as ****, Sidious obviously was gonna dodge.

No, because the quote from the Jedi Path was written a good 80 years before RotS. And its identical to what he says in ESB.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Sure, to non-lethally subdue non-force sensitives, take peoples lightsabers or limp-wristedly shove people. If you want to call that offensive then that's your call, but to me it still speaks of Yoda's defensive mindset. I term all of those as self-defense.

"Destroy the Sith we must!"

After Order 66 he plots to assassinate the Supreme Chancellor, and murder his Executor. ROTS Yoda has no problem killing to end injustice.

Lol at the pod being slow, it was faster than the pods Sidious was throwing with the clear intention to kill him.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
"Destroy the Sith we must!"

After Order 66 he plots to assassinate the Supreme Chancellor, and murder his Executor. ROTS Yoda has no problem killing to end injustice.

Lol at the pod being slow, it was faster than the pods Sidious was throwing with the clear intention to kill him.

Dude, wut. The pod going upwards was slower than the ones Sidious was raining down at him. I get that Yoda is your favorite character, but come on.

Originally posted by Nephthys
When Yoda was making obvious grunts and faces of exertion?

Originally posted by Nephthys
What do you mean by aura?

Originally posted by Nephthys
When?

Originally posted by Lord Stark
"Destroy the Sith we must!"

After Order 66 he plots to assassinate the Supreme Chancellor, and murder his Executor. ROTS Yoda has no problem killing to end injustice.

Lol at the pod being slow, it was faster than the pods Sidious was throwing with the clear intention to kill him.

Yoda hasn't ever had problems with killing. He just doesn't do it with the Force.

Not really. And I was more talking about the whole 'wastes time pointlessly spinning it for no ****ing reason.'

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Dude, wut. The pod going upwards was slower than the ones Sidious was raining down at him. I get that Yoda is your favorite character, but come on.

Jesus H. Christ, you people are incredible. I point out clear instances where Yoda has used the force to KO, kill, and attempt to kill. And you try and debate the speed of the pod?

I like how you're ignoring the fact that the pod wouldn't have even hit Sidious regardless of the speed.

Seriously, it goes passed him before he even jumps out of the way.

Originally posted by Nephthys

Yoda himself disagrees: "A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense. Never for attack." - ESB and The Jedi Path.

Neither of those were serious attacks meant to hurt people. Unless you think falling over a chair is the extent of Master Yoda's titanic power.

According to Dave Filoni, that was Yoda's Post- ROTS View:

Ultimately the arc -- I guess I'm in a revealing mood today for some things -- but ultimately the arc, since it's centered on Yoda, I thought that was George's answer to the question of why is Yoda like he is in Empire? Why does he say the things he does, and why don't a lot of those things seem reflected in the Jedi as a whole, in the Prequels? He tells Luke, "The Jedi use the Force for knowledge and defense, never for attack." Well, there's not much evidence of that in the Prequels. They seem to be attacking quite a bit, attacking with their clones, even in the title. There are a lot of things where Yoda seems to have a complete change of mind for the way things are, post-Revenge of the Sith.

Full interview is here:

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2014/03/18/star-wars-the-clone-wars-dave-filoni-looks-back-at-season-6-and-the-shows-final-episodes?page=4

Originally posted by Nephthys
I like how you're ignoring the fact that the pod wouldn't have even hit Sidious regardless of the speed.

Seriously, it goes passed him before he even jumps out of the way.

If that's true, why did he dodge?

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
According to Dave Filoni, that was Yoda's Post- ROTS View:

Ultimately the arc -- I guess I'm in a revealing mood today for some things -- but ultimately the arc, since it's centered on Yoda, I thought that was George's answer to the question of why is Yoda like he is in Empire? Why does he say the things he does, and why don't a lot of those things seem reflected in the Jedi as a whole, in the Prequels? He tells Luke, "The Jedi use the Force for knowledge and defense, never for attack." Well, there's not much evidence of that in the Prequels. They seem to be attacking quite a bit, attacking with their clones, even in the title. There are a lot of things where Yoda seems to have a complete change of mind for the way things are, post-Revenge of the Sith.

Full interview is here:

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2014/03/18/star-wars-the-clone-wars-dave-filoni-looks-back-at-season-6-and-the-shows-final-episodes?page=4

Game, set, match. Thanks DP.

Because Lucas is an awful director.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Jesus H. Christ, you people are incredible. I point out clear instances where Yoda has used the force to KO, kill, and attempt to kill. And you try and debate the speed of the pod?

1. Yoda hasn't killed anyone of their stature with TK. Although I admit his TK talent is great (greater still in EU), there's no evidence to suggest he will entirely KO/kill someone with the Force. Mooks and muggles don't count.

2. Yoda didn't do much more than wound Sidious' ego with his TK push.

3. The whole point is that the pod was going super slow, which you asserted otherwise and it was bogus. I called you out on it.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Because Lucas is an awful director.

👆

RotS is a travesty.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
All Force practitioners has a natural Force aura to protect them. If someone's aura is more powerful than the opponent's Force strength, the opponent in question will be unable to impact him. Dooku, for example, surpassed Kenobi's power in the Force which is why he was able to breach Kenobi's aura and telekinetically remove him from the fight, but Yoda's aura is too powerful for him to break through.

Naaaaaah, I don't think thats true. Force users can erect shields and stuff like that but I don't think they have natural defenses against anything.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
His aura is strong enough to resist any direct attempt at breaking through his aura by Sidious and an amped Dooku.

Has that episode officially come out yet? Either way, I'll wait until I can see it so I actually know what happens.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Naaaaaah, I don't think thats true. Force users can erect shields and stuff like that but I don't think they have natural defenses against anything.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Has that episode officially come out yet? Either way, I'll wait until I can see it so I actually know what happens.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
1. Yoda hasn't killed anyone of their stature with TK. Although I admit his TK talent is great (greater still in EU), there's no evidence to suggest he will entirely KO/kill someone with the Force. Mooks and muggles don't count.

2. Yoda didn't do much more than wound Sidious' ego with his TK push.

3. The whole point is that the pod was going super slow, which you asserted otherwise and it was bogus. I called you out on it.

The pod wasn't super slow though.

"YODA leaps away from the pods. He uses the Force to hold one pod suspended in the air. The pod spins and YODA throws it back at PALPATINE, who leaps away at the last moment."

It was meant to be a near miss. Considering multiple pods were dodged by Yoda with little difficulty, and one pod was a near miss on Sidious it stands to reason Yoda's pod was meant to be faster. Not to mention the logic that tossing something like a frisbee is going to make it go a lot faster than it simply being tossed.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
That's what I'm talking about. They erect (lol) a Force aura to protect themselves in combat.

What episode?

Teeheehee. Ok.

Isn't that what you're talking about? Sidious and Dooku perform a ritual to attack Yoda in an upcoming episode thats only out in spanish or something.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Ok.

Isn't that what you're talking about? Sidious and Dooku perform a ritual to attack Yoda in an upcoming episode thats only out in spanish or something.

He's talking about the final episode of Clone Wars Season 6.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
That's what I'm talking about. They erect (lol) a Force aura to protect themselves in combat.

First thing that came to mind:

Originally posted by Nephthys
Teeheehee. Ok.

Isn't that what you're talking about? Sidious and Dooku perform a ritual to attack Yoda in an upcoming episode thats only out in spanish or something.

All Force practitioners has a natural Force aura to protect them. If someone's aura is more powerful than the opponent's Force strength, the opponent in question will be unable to impact him. Dooku, for example, surpassed Kenobi's power in the Force which is why he was able to breach Kenobi's aura and telekinetically remove him from the fight, but Yoda's aura is too powerful for him to break through.