Mace and Yoda vs HoT and Barsenthor

Oi. Your post gives me a headache.

The whole movie v. EU gangpolitics of this place contributes though as well.

On one hand you have people who will accept evidence if and only if it champions the movie characters, who include their favorites among their number, and then you have a much smaller EU sect which does the same thing, and you have an even smaller amount of people who straddle the fence by invariably get pegged by one side or the other.

I wasn't even talking about Maul. How the hell is Nyriss' lightning comparable to Sids' lightning in RotS? Since when can Maul 'hurl star ships and ragdoll armies'? Is it too much to ask that you be more specific? Why can I not count the seconds in G-canon material? Why do I have to assume that they are faster than what I can see on screen, and assume that Yoda can do whatever, but when an EU character comes into conflict with a movie character, they invariably have to be much weaker than we are led to believe, and their feats are comparable at best, much much weaker at worst, etc?

And then I get accused of double standards? Ridiculous.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Since when can Maul 'hurl star ships and ragdoll armies'? Is it too much to ask that you be more specific?

The starship feat is here @ 4:22-4:25:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqEtXVh8UOo

And for ragdolling armies I think he's referring to Opress's feat here @ 0:56-0:58:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOkn3UBL51g

"I wasn't even talking about Maul."

This tells me you weren't following my arguments, but continued to argue anyway.

And what DP posted, though there is a tie-in comic where Maul and Savage force push an army off a cliff, similar to way Yoda and Mace did to large groups of droids in the mini series. I'll get the scan later, and if I don't then remind me. BTW, this reminds me of the time when I asked someone to be more specific regarding Bane's feats, in which I believe you lectured me on being too lazy for not reading all of his books.

I'm going to have to side with Yoda and Windu on here. Essentially Windu and the Hero must resort to dueling only while Yoda and Barsen'thor must resort to force attacks only. I believe Windu to be the superior duelist to the Hero, while Yoda is the superior force wielder between him and Barsen'thor.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose

Yoda, with concentration, can seal off a vacuum of space or redirect an orbital missile strike. Actually, the latter was, IIRC, while he was dueling Dark Side nexus Dooku.

Not quite. Yoda redirected that missile after Dooku had broke off the duel and fled. In fact he launched the missile specifically so that he could escape while Yoda was busy dealing with it.

Originally posted by chilled monkey
Not quite. Yoda redirected that missile after Dooku had broke off the duel and fled. In fact he launched the missile specifically so that he could escape while Yoda was busy dealing with it.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Seems to be Dooku's MO when he's overmatched doesn't it?

It certainly does.

I'll give him credit for having enough sense to have a back-up plan ready though.

So, we have DP's post, which has a video of Maul force pulling a star ship from a cliff, and one of Savage downing several battle droids plus Kenobi and Skywalker with a force wave. These feats are in Filoni's newer series, which, according to Filoni, doesn't depict exaggerated uses of the force. Also, in one of the comic tie-ins we have Maul and Savage do this:

Then we have Sidious come along and easily ragdoll and overpower these two, both simultaneously and individually, which suggests Sidious is way beyond their level. So I don't understand why it's so hard to believe that Yoda, who is Sidious' equal, is capable of doing this:

YouTube video

(Skip to 9:31)

It's not like Yoda crushed entire star fleets.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Yeah the only thing that's fanon are your assertions about Vitiate.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
And yet when the Children of the Emperor fell his power didn't magically increase.

Besides, Vitiate was preoccupied with his galaxy-busting plan during this time.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
All I see is a bunch of assertions. No proof.

Yoda/Mace take this.
Personally, I put Hero in between the likes of Caedus and Anakin, so he should be able to take Mace in a lengthy duel. However, Yoda outclasses Barsenthor, and will then go on to beat Tython.

Anyone who puts Hero on Yoda level *motions to Neph* is crazy.