Superman VS Thanos: A TEST OF STRENGTH

Originally posted by Diesldude
There is a difference between how superman holds back and how others holds back.

Thanos wouldn't use the same amount of power in his blast against Galactus like he would to knock out let's say spiderman. Thano's is calculating and is in full control of his powers and he can use them as he see's fit.

It's like in football, is the qb going to put the same amount of power behind a 60+ yard pass as he would on a screen pass to the RB at the line of scrimmage?

A Quarterback is in control and is aware of his strength and limitations. He can put as much oomph as needed and holds back his arm strength on shorter passes, while superman on the other hand subconsciously imposed limits on himself that he can't break without proper training. The superman we see everyday limits it himself so that he appears to be a peer of high heralds, but as shown in OWAW, he isn't when those limitations are removed.

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Its funny how much it pains certain posters to admit something which has been stated many times in the past.

Where has it ever been stated that superman cannot access his full powers because he cannot get passed his self imposed limitations?????? We all know superman holds back to keep from hurting regular people or foes that even thing could beat...... BUT when faced with the big guns, he HAS went all out and won some and lost some. Just because a foe is stronger does not mean he cannot be beaten by the hero. Show a scan from ANY comic or a statement from ANY writer that has said that superman goes a half level above the likes of thor, CM,BA or any of his peers by dropping self imposed limitations. That scan shows that superman limits himself to keep from hurting weaker people, dont try and twist it. thing or rhino would be glad he holds back..... Hyperion, Thanos, CM, BA, BM,Gladiator, Kurse, thor or supreme would not care what he does.

Name one character who has beaten all out superman in h2h. And Superman holds back against even peers like Orion who comments how its good to see Superman not pull his punches for once.

http://i.imgur.com/d7bdObX.jpg

Or against someone like Monarch.

http://i.imgur.com/doCzc0Q.jpg

So no, he doesn't holds back against only people weaker than him.

Originally posted by abhilegend
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Its funny how much it pains certain posters to admit something which has been stated many times in the past.

I don't even know if Superman or Thanos is stronger. Honestly, I really don't.

That said, the sheer amount of petty, sad lowballing just makes me wonder if a good portion of the people in this thread have anything better to do during the day than shit on the fictional character that somehow wrong them.

"wah, stop lowballing my character... now i'm going to lowball yours".

grow up. **** sake.

Originally posted by JBL
That is totally not true. Superman does not now or ever have strength that he cannot access without proper training. He is not now nor ever going from CM level to the first Kurse level by removing so called self limitations. OWAW does not show anything but the heros time to win just like with EVERY hero ever created. Thor, Silver Surfer, Spiderman, She-hulk, Thing, Captain America, Batman, Wonder Woman and countless others have had their " hopeless appearing moments "only to turn around and start beating someone or something while giving a " heros speech" Leading to a dramatic victory. Kind of like rocky against that big russian, getting beat silly and then the music plays and down goes the bad guy. The hero gained nothing but the predictable victory. There is no strength increase anywhere and you can insert ANY hero in OWAW and would have gotten the same outcome.

Why do you insist on trolling? Superman has multiple times went from not being able to hurt someone USING ALL OF HIS MIGHT to basically one shotting them or killing them in a few panels. Give me a specific example of another character that did that. It was explained over and over that Superman holds back subconsciously. You are ignoring on panel evidence.

How do you know that CM isn't a lot stronger than Thanos? We go by feats since neither character has met and it is the only basis we have. In other words, direct comparisions fail against characters from different companies. We must use outside feats to compare them.

Originally posted by Stoic
Thanos does hold back. You obviously don't recall when he fought his clone. That was a Thanos that went all out, as opposed to his usual feats of power, where he is often seen taking it easy on guys in Superman's tiier. You aren't going to win anyone over with this "he is always holding back" argument. All of the hero's hold back. When Thanos took hits from Thor he was holding back. Thor was going all out. When he fought his clone, he had to dig deep, and we see him actually shift into an energized physical state.

On average Superman is being bowled over by people far less powerful than someone capable of taking hits from Odin. You're obviously going to win the strength argument based off of the fact, that Thanos has no lifting feats. But then again neither does the Living Tribunal, Death, the Inbetweener, and many other characters out there. Should we automatically say that Superman is stronger than those guys as well. Actually don't answer, I forgot that you can't see past your own flawed logic.

At average, Superman is still in the herald range, just like Blue Marvel, the Silver Surfer, Thor and several others. Thanos is above these guys.

Lifting feats aren't the only feats that prove strength. Look at WBH's feat.
Striking feats, pushing feats, wrestling feats, etc. work.
Durability is not the same as strength.

It is borderline trolling to claim that Thanos is stronger than Superman without a basis. You can't use direct comparisons because characters from different companies have never met. We have to use pure strength feats to compare.

To me it always seems futile arguing against Superman. Nothing good ever really comes of it. He does after all continuously operate outside of comic book logic. How do you beat that?

Originally posted by JBL
That is totally not true. Superman does not now or ever have strength that he cannot access without proper training. He is not now nor ever going from CM level to the first Kurse level by removing so called self limitations. OWAW does not show anything but the heros time to win just like with EVERY hero ever created. Thor, Silver Surfer, Spiderman, She-hulk, Thing, Captain America, Batman, Wonder Woman and countless others have had their " hopeless appearing moments "only to turn around and start beating someone or something while giving a " heros speech" Leading to a dramatic victory. Kind of like rocky against that big russian, getting beat silly and then the music plays and down goes the bad guy. The hero gained nothing but the predictable victory. There is no strength increase anywhere and you can insert ANY hero in OWAW and would have gotten the same outcome.

The Rocky and Drago analogy is pretty sound, he willed himself to victory but he wasn't limiting himself at the beginning of the fight. Like all hero's that gain these predictable victory. Rocky didn't get stronger, more durable or improved his boxing skills as the fight went on. Similarly other hero's can step up and win due to "predictable victory" but they have this power in them and that is the level superman is on with his self imposed limitations.

Superman's limitations work differently, he had to to undergo training to fully realize his strength that pushed him beyond his former peers. Not an amp, or a push to make him look better because of the eventual win. Him getting trained to remove those limitation was a big story in the arc. Why weren't other "peers" also asked to remove their limitations if they also hold back? Why were his peers having trouble with the probes if they too could stop holding back? why was it just Superman and HP Doomsday (doesn't hold back, we saw what he did to DS), alone capable of destroying these probes?

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Superman is definitively stronger than Thor.

Strength is defined in many different ways. Superman is stronger than Thor in a strength category, but not by much.

But using all there powers, they are equals with one having certain traits that that puts one slightly ahead of the other.

Originally posted by SquallX
Strength is defined in many different ways. Superman is stronger than Thor in a strength category, but not by much.

But using all there powers, they are equals with one having certain traits that that puts one slightly ahead of the other.

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Originally posted by Diesldude
The Rocky and Drago analogy is pretty sound, he willed himself to victory but he wasn't limiting himself at the beginning of the fight. Like all hero's that gain these predictable victory. Rocky didn't get stronger, more durable or improved his boxing skills as the fight went on. Similarly other hero's can step up and win due to "predictable victory" but they have this power in them and that is the level superman is on with his self imposed limitations.

But superman is different, he had to to undergo training to fully realize his strength that pushed him beyond his former peers. Not an amp, or a push to make him look better because of the eventual win. Him getting trained to remove those limitation was a big story in the arc. Why weren't other "peers" also asked to remove their limitations if they also hold back? Why were his peers having trouble with the probes if they too could stop holding back? why was it it was just Superman and HP Doomsday (doesn't hold back, we saw what he did to DS), alone capable of destroying these probes?

@H1A8, even though JLA/Avengers is not canon on this forum, it does not omit the fact that both companies saw eye to eye on the outcome of Superman and Thor's battle. This is a battle that would not have exhausted Thanos as was seen recently when Thor hit him with lightning twice, only to hear him beg for more of the same, and he willingly took a hit to the head from Thor which only served to move his head. This was just before he nearly KO'd Thor with one punch. Again Thanos can not win a who is the stronger match against Superman, because he does not have the lifting feats to argue for him. But like I said before, neither do many of the abstract beings in comics. Does this mean that Superman is stronger than they are? Of course not.

Originally posted by Stoic
@H1A8, even though JLA/Avengers is not canon on this forum, it does not omit the fact that both companies saw eye to eye on the outcome of Superman and Thor's battle. This is a battle that would not have exhausted Thanos as was seen recently when Thor hit him with lightning twice, only to hear him beg for more of the same, and he willingly took a hit to the head from Thor which only served to move his head. This was just before he nearly KO'd Thor with one punch. Again Thanos can not win a who is the stronger match against Superman, because he does not have the lifting feats to argue for him. But like I said before, neither do many of the abstract beings in comics. Does this mean that Superman is stronger than they are? Of course not.

Originally posted by Stoic
@H1A8, even though JLA/Avengers is not canon on this forum, it does not omit the fact that both companies saw eye to eye on the outcome of Superman and Thor's battle. This is a battle that would not have exhausted Thanos as was seen recently when Thor hit him with lightning twice, only to hear him beg for more of the same, and he willingly took a hit to the head from Thor which only served to move his head. This was just before he nearly KO'd Thor with one punch. Again Thanos can not win a who is the stronger match against Superman, because he does not have the lifting feats to argue for him. But like I said before, neither do many of the abstract beings in comics. Does this mean that Superman is stronger than they are? Of course not.

Superman has oneshotted Lobo in the past when he went all out and knocked out him and Mon-El together.

Lobo did not stalemate Thanos, he was a distraction. Lobo is also an enigma, at times he has been more powerful than Superman, even nearly killing him on their first meeting, to being so weak that a sledge hammer in the hands of a human hurt him. All the same, Lobo did not stalemate Thanos. In that same cluster of horribly written comics that you pulled that from, we also see Thanos taking it to multiple hero's.

I'm not going to continue on in this direction, because I know that Marvel vs DC is not canon to this forum, even though anything written is considered canon. Moving on.

Originally posted by Stoic
Lobo did not stalemate Thanos, he was a distraction. Lobo is also an enigma, at times he has been more powerful than Superman, even nearly killing him on their first meeting, to being so weak that a sledge hammer in the hands of a human hurt him. All the same, Lobo did not stalemate Thanos. In that same cluster of horribly written comics that you pulled that from, we also see Thanos taking it to multiple hero's.

I'm not going to continue on in this direction, because I know that Marvel vs DC is not canon to this forum, even though anything written is considered canon. Moving on.

The only hero worth who fought Thanos was Captain Marvel and he was weakened at that time.

JLA/Avengers isn't too, move on from that too.

Nope the first time Superman fought Lobo is when Lobo was contracted to kill Superman, and the only reason that he did not was because he was too drunk, and pretty much forgot what it was that he was supposed to do. Superman even tried to escape by jumping into a suit of armor. This did him no good. We see stalemate differently. To me it means that they were deadlocked, which was clearly no the case, but yes, I'm done with the cross over talk.

Originally posted by JBL
Because superman and Doomsday were the feature attractions.

Originally posted by JBL
Superman gets his strength from solar energy ( sunlight ). Now if he sundips and double his strength, it will soon wear off and he goes back to normal right? Now h1a8 claims he goes up x5 by dropping mental blocks ( yet some claim he needs training to do this, go figure ) So now sundipping overides his restrained unreachable strength and drops his mental blocks without superman knowing it and the mental blocks return when the amp fades??? OR..... Is it the fact that superman knows that the ONLY way to get stronger is to sum amp?? Why not just drop his mental blocks instead of flying to the sun wasting time? When he moved warworld, why did he not drop his mental blocks and gain x5 strength? [/B]

He needed training to break those mental blocks right? It wasn't a single session either, multiple sessions.. He can fly to the sun faster than light so it's actually easier and faster to get a sun amp.

We don't know how much and how fast the sun amps him. The longer he stays the stronger he gets. We do see how powerful he became in owaw after a sundip and at that point I don't think he knew he could amp that way. That's why Brainiac stated that he finally realized his potential and understood what he is.

With that said, since we don't know how much more powerful he becomes with a sundip, he may become way more stronger than even his mental blocks to help.

Originally posted by JBL
Superman is not stupid, he knows how to get stronger and he has FULL access to his powers and he know full well to haul butt to the sun to increase his strength. I have yet to see him say he will drop mental blocks and get stronger, but we have seen him bath in the sun to get stronger. [/B]

But that's exactly what he did. He underwent training to remove those mental blocks and become stronger so that he could one shot a being who was using his former peers as playthings.

Originally posted by JBL
Why have 2 power up abilities and only use one for 60+ years??? The answer is clear as day. [/B]

But holding back and those subconscious level mental blocks have been mentioned many times..

Flying to the sun is faster then just thinking? If these mental blocks are in place like everybody says, why doesn't Jonn just take them away when they are losing a battle? Oh I forgot, Superman is immune to telepathy right?

God I hate Superman. DC comes up with the dumbest crap ever just to wank him. He still isn't beating Thanos though. Two different levels.