Superman VS Thanos: A TEST OF STRENGTH

Originally posted by abhilegend
Eh, its as much "win" button as power cosmic or mjolnir or a power ring. I don't see anybody complaining about anytime surfer or thor pull a new power to win.

Also thanks.

The Power Cosmic is just that: a cosmic force, designed to operate on an entirely different level than Superman's own internal and solar-based power.

Mjolnir is an enchanted weapon possessing powerful magic, its not a big stretch for it to have a diverse set of capabilities.

Power rings are indeed powerful and versatile, I'll give you that, but they do have clearly defined limits though. They operate and depend on an outside energy source. Superman may absorb solar rays as his energy source but he's clearly displayed on numerous occasions that he neither needs it that much nor depends on it. How many times has he pulled of incredible feats under conditions which should dictate otherwise, situations such as being deprived of the sun for extended periods of time, functioning easily within proximity to Kryptonite, or even more surprising (not really) operating under a red sun?

I'm not well informed on Silver Surfer so you may have a point here, but Thor on the other hand has seemingly less powers now than before. I don't think we will see him conjure up some new power any time soon, if at all.

Originally posted by Orrsome28
The Power Cosmic is just that: a cosmic force, designed to operate on an entirely different level than Superman's own internal and solar-based power.

Mjolnir is an enchanted weapon possessing powerful magic, its not a big stretch for it to have a diverse set of capabilities.

Power rings are indeed powerful and versatile, I'll give you that, but they do have clearly defined limits though. They operate and depend on an outside energy source. Superman may absorb solar rays as his energy source but he's clearly displayed on numerous occasions that he neither needs it that much nor depends on it. How many times has he pulled of incredible feats under conditions which should dictate otherwise, situations such as being deprived of the sun for extended periods of time, functioning easily within proximity to Kryptonite, or even more surprising (not really) operating under a red sun?

I'm not well informed on Silver Surfer so you may have a point here, but Thor on the other hand has seemingly less powers now than before. I don't think we will see him conjure up some new power any time soon, if at all.

That again? Not true at all.

Heh, then you're not keeping up with thor. In the last few years, Thor's used energy manipulation, energy absorption, weather control (both earthly and cosmic in nature), Gaea-related earth powers, baffling prayer-related rejuvenation (in his fight with Glory), teleportation, spirit summoning (Cap), immortal resurrection, transmutation, EMPs (localized and worldwide), space ventriloquism, all-tongue universal language, intangible artifact deflection (Disir swords), energy signature tracking, forcefields, prayer-related cosmic senses, and more.

So, no. Thor is pulling new powers out of his ass as much as surfer.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Maybe in surfer fanboys' dreams but in actual comics? Surfer is another top tier hero. He has his limits too albeit vaguely defined.

That again? Not true at all.

Heh, then you're not keeping up with thor. In the last few years, Thor's used energy manipulation, energy absorption, weather control (both earthly and cosmic in nature), Gaea-related earth powers, baffling prayer-related rejuvenation (in his fight with Glory), teleportation, spirit summoning (Cap), immortal resurrection, transmutation, EMPs (localized and worldwide), space ventriloquism, all-tongue universal language, intangible artifact deflection (Disir swords), energy signature tracking, forcefields, prayer-related cosmic senses, and more.

So, no. Thor is pulling new powers out of his ass as much as surfer.

He wields but a fraction of the Power Cosmic which implies that it is on an entirely different level. I'm not quite sure what you meant by the fanboy comment. Surfer's limits are no less defined than Superman's.

Not true? If it quacks like a duck... its usually a duck. I'm sure someone came up with some elaborate reason as to why Superman can do all these things under such conditions but honestly it happens far too often and some are just outright too ridiculous for it to be remotely believable, even by comic book standards.

Most of those abilities can be attributed to Mjolnir, which like I said possesses powerful magic. A magic which, mind you, has not been deeply explored as to its limits. Others have a foundation in Thor's parentage. It's no less unlikely that Thor has latent abilities as a result. So to find this problematic is just a touch bit hypocritical. Personally I find the reasoning behind these powers more sound. You might not agree (strongly most likely). Besides, the frequency in which Thor uses these rabbit-out-of-a-hat powers is plain laughable. These powers usually hinder Thor's writing and in-comic performance anyway because no one even attempts to reconcile the scale and diversity of his power set with the team setting he is usually found in.

Like I said, I'm quite uneducated when it comes to the Surfer so I can't say otherwise.

So John Byrne says that Superman is as powerful as he wants to be (screw the Spectre, or Presence, or LT, or the One Above All,,,we have Superman), and in the same vain writes him being knocked out by an exploding gas station. Oh the irony.

Every hero holds back, including mindless brutes like Hulk.

Originally posted by carver9
Every hero holds back, including mindless brutes like Hulk.

This really is true. Why is everybody giving Superman all of this credit when every single comic character with some sort of super strength has to hold back too? Spiderman's like a class 25 hero and do you think he isn't holding back when he hugs Aunt May, or slams MJ in the sack some nights? The Thing dated a blind woman. Do you think he held back when they got cozy? To say Superman holding back is different is just delusional.

Originally posted by DarkRaiden
Thor head up (over 200x stronger than Superman's shown strength by feats).

DAMN LIE OF THE CENTURY!

Simonson, Fraction, and Aaron wouldn't even be bold enough to make this outrageous claim.

Originally posted by h1a8
abstract beings are not physical. Thus They have no physical strength.

I understand what you are saying but you just can't say Thanos is stronger without a basis. How do we know he is stronger? What evidence do we have if we can't use crossovers? Outside of abstracts, physical beings needs feats to prove that they are stronger when comparing across companies. When comparing same companies then we can use direct comparison (although that evidence is weaker than feats). Characters with the better strength feats are stronger. That's how we know Namor is stronger than hawkman although they never fought.

Well if we use this type of thinkng Thanos has to be stronger than Superman, because I don't see Superman standing there after getting Mjolnir clubbed upon his head. Thanos wasn't thrown for a loop. Superman has been seen tossed around by far less than Thor. If you could lift 10 tons, this means that you become more durable than someone that only lifts 200 lbs. Thanos took Thor's hit like Thor was far weaker than he was. Do you know why that is?

Originally posted by tkitna
So John Byrne says that Superman is as powerful as he wants to be (screw the Spectre, or Presence, or LT, or the One Above All,,,we have Superman), and in the same vain writes him being knocked out by an exploding gas station. Oh the irony.

Originally posted by tkitna
This really is true. Why is everybody giving Superman all of this credit when every single comic character with some sort of super strength has to hold back too? Spiderman's like a class 25 hero and do you think he isn't holding back when he hugs Aunt May, or slams MJ in the sack some nights? The Thing dated a blind woman. Do you think he held back when they got cozy? To say Superman holding back is different is just delusional.

Originally posted by abhilegend
John Byrne didn't write him koed by gas station. That was Jerry Ordway.

I thought it was Byrne. My bad.

Originally posted by tkitna
I thought it was Byrne. My bad.

http://imgur.com/ADTHR7A
http://imgur.com/gKuRvCb
http://imgur.com/vHD8sGK

Again.

http://i.imgur.com/E1w53tD.jpg

Holding back confirmed.

mmm

Originally posted by Epicurus
^Okay...but I don't see how this is supposed to be indisputable proof of Superman being superior to Thanos in terms physical strength. Especially when one takes into consideration the forum rules pertaining to crossovers and sh1t.

bone claw wolverine > thanos and lobo.

No one is disputing that Superman holds back, but this is nothing special, because they all hold back. Look at the Hulk for example in NYC when he begged them to stop him, he nearly destroyed the Earth from what a later story confirms. They all hold back, Spider Man is notorious for doing just that, against guys like Doc Ock. And, when he tries, he goes over his weight class, and beats the Sandman, and the Rhino.

Originally posted by Stoic
No one is disputing that Superman holds back, but this is nothing special, because they all hold back. Look at the Hulk for example in NYC when he begged them to stop him, he nearly destroyed the Earth from what a later story confirms. They all hold back, Spider Man is notorious for doing just that, against guys like Doc Ock. And, when he tries, he goes over his weight class, and beats the Sandman, and the Rhino.

Correction...when Spiderman tries and take off the kid gloves, he punch holes in Ironman armor, support skyscraper buildings, defeat Heralds in a couple of panels, hell, he has even gained new abilities in combat when he take the kid gloves off. Fought teams. Spiderman is a prime example of someone that dials goes up when he stop holding back. Like I've said before, don't know why Superman gets all of this love, especially when the same has been said about (when the gloves are off their power hits a new level) Thor, Hulk, Surfer, Spiderman, Wolverine, etc, etc....

Originally posted by carver9
Correction...when Spiderman tries and take off the kid gloves, he punch holes in Ironman armor, support skyscraper buildings, defeat Heralds in a couple of panels, hell, he has even gained new abilities in combat when he take the kid gloves off. Fought teams. Spiderman is a prime example of someone that dials goes up when he stop holding back. Like I've said before, don't know why Superman gets all of this love, especially when the same has been said about (when the gloves are off their power hits a new level) Thor, Hulk, Surfer, Spiderman, Wolverine, etc, etc....

Yeah, but Wolverine, Thor, and Surfer aren't afraid to step over that line.

Spidey is. I'm glad you brought him up, because he really does suffer from "World of Cardboard" syndrome, just like Superman does. The one time he cut loose, against Sin Eater, and saw the after effects of how he made him a cripple for life, it nearly broke him.

And tbh, Hulk's the same way as well.. Only, for whatever reason, he doesn't seem to have any problems cutting loose against a peer, while Superman does (He flat out said against Bizarro, "Damn! I've fallen into the habit of pulling my punches"😉

No Marvel character has moved a planet? What about Thor moving the World Engine and Yggdrasil which is connected to the 9 realms? That's AT least 9 planets at once. Thor's also lifted the Midgard Serpent, that was coiled around the earth, and btw he's survived a Supernova easily.

I mean if we go highest tier feats for everybody, Thor has busted holes in Celestials, tanked Celestials's blasts, closed dimensional portals with his punches, KO'd the Phoenix force, beaten and hurt Galactus, hurt Chaos King, a multiversal entity, beat Glory a skyfather, beat Gorr, a skyfather, created a barrier to block a bomb that would destroy 1/5 of the universe and.....still can't beat Thanos.

Not to mention that Surfer has beaten Galactus level beings and still can't touch Thanos. And who did Thanos overpower? Hulk and Thing? well Hulk's highest level feat is lighting up a dimension with a punch and destroying a universe by clapping. So using high level feats isn't a smart thing to do unless Hulk and everyone who's overpowered him is universe+++ level.

Surfer surviving a supernova and a blackhole with ease:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111122629/3224702-6604029749-13859.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/71420/1340439-red_shift_vs_silver_surfer.jpg

And speaking of Blackholes, Supes barely held a mini blackhole in his hand and was struggling to do so. Thanos went through a 2 lightyear wide Blackhole and was fine (which is durability but also a form of strength not being crushed) and a 2m large blackhole can have the mass of over 900 planets.

Lobo, is always inconsistent and has easy wins over Supes so not sure why you brought that up. Also Lobo hasn't shown consistent Supernova level durability, just star level strength at best, and even that isn't consistent. He's done it what? once each.

On the other hand, Thor has shown 20 planet strength and durability, WM Thor is x10 (making it 200 planets) and the Power Gem can amp power infinitely (unknown amount, but waaaay more than 200x planet strength), and Thanos was on par if not overpowering him.

Again, no matter what feats you show from others, Supes has yet to move a planet or get close to supernova level strength. Thanos has far past that, killing Supernova++++durability Surfer in like 7 hits.

Originally posted by DarkRaiden
Superman needs help and amps just to move a planet. His hardest punch to Doomsday in DoS shattered some windows. Thanos clashed with Drax and destroyed a planet. He killed Supernova+++ durability Silver Surfer in 7 punches.

He smacked Indestructible Hulk (Supernova level strength) across a town with a single gesture.

He stalemated Tyrant in physical strength, fought WM Power Gem Thor head up (over 200x stronger than Superman's shown strength by feats).

He beat down Captain Marvel who oneshotted planet busters like Magus, whooped Nova, and hurt Surfer.

Thanos has always been waaay stronger than the likes of Superman.....who still struggles to move a planet.

Lack of collateral damage isn't evidence of lack of power, but collateral damage is evidence to power.

Thanos and drax caused the planet to destroy itself. They created an unbalance which caused the core to become unstable. This is like pushing a button to make a bomb blow up. The only thing impressive was pushing the button.

So supermans planet moving feat with help was more than 100x greater than Thanos feat with Drax.

You can't equate a characters highest showing with any other showings (surfer supernova comment).

I'm going to report you for lying. He punched Hulk a few hundred meters away with great effort.

He didn't stalemate Tyrant in strength. Tyrant overpowered him even though Thanos was holding his wrists (leverage advantage).

Thor wasn't in wm. But pg Thor wasn't proven to be more than 2x his normal self.

You keep it up with these con games (equating a characters highest showing with any other showings) and I'll report you with gusto.

Think il go ahead and report you too for continuing to use unsupported claims you use despite been proven wrong.

Go ahead and prove PG was only twice as strong.

Thanos matched Tryant and as for the so called advantage Thanos had Tyrant was taller than Thanos

Originally posted by DarkRaiden
No Marvel character has moved a planet? What about Thor moving the World Engine and Yggdrasil which is connected to the 9 realms?

Thanos has far past that, killing Supernova++++durability Surfer in like 7 hits.

Originally posted by DarkRaiden
No Marvel character has moved a planet? What about Thor moving the World Engine and Yggdrasil which is connected to the 9 realms? That's AT least 9 planets at once. Thor's also lifted the Midgard Serpent, that was coiled around the earth, and btw he's survived a Supernova easily.

I mean if we go highest tier feats for everybody, Thor has busted holes in Celestials, tanked Celestials's blasts, closed dimensional portals with his punches, KO'd the Phoenix force, beaten and hurt Galactus, hurt Chaos King, a multiversal entity, beat Glory a skyfather, beat Gorr, a skyfather, created a barrier to block a bomb that would destroy 1/5 of the universe and.....still can't beat Thanos.

Not to mention that Surfer has beaten Galactus level beings and still can't touch Thanos. And who did Thanos overpower? Hulk and Thing? well Hulk's highest level feat is lighting up a dimension with a punch and destroying a universe by clapping. So using high level feats isn't a smart thing to do unless Hulk and everyone who's overpowered him is universe+++ level.

Surfer surviving a supernova and a blackhole with ease:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111122629/3224702-6604029749-13859.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/71420/1340439-red_shift_vs_silver_surfer.jpg

And speaking of Blackholes, Supes barely held a mini blackhole in his hand and was struggling to do so. Thanos went through a 2 lightyear wide Blackhole and was fine (which is durability but also a form of strength not being crushed) and a 2m large blackhole can have the mass of over 900 planets.

Lobo, is always inconsistent and has easy wins over Supes so not sure why you brought that up. Also Lobo hasn't shown consistent Supernova level durability, just star level strength at best, and even that isn't consistent. He's done it what? once each.

On the other hand, Thor has shown 20 planet strength and durability, WM Thor is x10 (making it 200 planets) and the Power Gem can amp power infinitely (unknown amount, but waaaay more than 200x planet strength), and Thanos was on par if not overpowering him.

Again you are trolling when you are equating a character's highest showings with any other showing. Where was Thor's planetary strength when he didn't have it? Oh, he doesn't always have it. So you can't assume he has it when you want him to in order to troll the thread.

Again, no matter what feats you show from others, Supes has yet to move a planet or get close to supernova level strength. Thanos has far past that, killing Supernova++++durability Surfer in like 7 hits.

Surfer's durability varies from comic to comic just like everyone's durability. You can't take Surfer's highest durability showing and say that is the level he was operating at in any appearance. This is trolling. I will report you for this.